Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[OakleyDokely]

Anyone not on the young core's timeline should be traded. You'd think team compete would've learned their lesson by now. Clearly not.

Wizards:
Valanciunas 32
Brogdon 31
Kuzma 29

Nets:
Bogdanovic: 35
Schroder 31
Finnley Smith 31
Simmons 28
Johnson 28

Blazers:
Grant 30

Pistons:
Harris 32
Hardaway Jr: 32

Jazz:
Mills 36
Clarkson 32

Hornets:
Gibson 39
Curry 34
Micic 30
Martin 29

Bulls
Vucevic 34
Craig 33
Lavine 29
Carter 29

Irrelevant comparison. How's it working out for them? People need to have more patience and think long term.

The Raps situation is no different than any other rebuilding or tanking team. Every team in the NBA has vets.

[anotherhomer]

Wizards:
Valanciunas 32
Brogdon 31
Kuzma 29

Nets:
Bogdanovic: 35
Schroder 31
Finnley Smith 31
Simmons 28
Johnson 28

Blazers:
Grant 30

Pistons:
Harris 32
Hardaway Jr: 32

Jazz:
Mills 36
Clarkson 32

Hornets:
Gibson 39
Curry 34
Micic 30
Martin 29

Bulls
Vucevic 34
Craig 33
Lavine 29
Carter 29

Irrelevant comparison. How's it working out for them? People need to have more patience and think long term.

The Raps situation is no different than any other rebuilding or tanking team. Every team in the NBA has vets.

furthermore, this may only be a one-year tank

[nikster]

With Scottie we wanna win within 3/4 years.

I think 29-33 year old Poeltl is fine.

Yeah look at Minny. Ant is same age as Scottie and they are pairing with him 32 year old Gibert who they just signed to a big extension. I'm comfortable with Poeltl for the next 4-5 years.

I think people take for granted how harsh it cam be to fill a position of need some time. I don't see a point moving him unless we already have a replacement (or if the move is for a replacement)

Yeah man, Jak and a 4x DPOY centre are literally the same thing.

Just talking about age and Timeline. Goberts also gonna be paid $40 million at age 35 while Ant is in his prime.

Point is it is completely reasonable to have a vet like Poeltl with a young squad.

[Psubs]

Bro what are the Sixers and Bucks doing? Then I check the top of the standings and see the Cavs undefeated

Lillard, Flagg and Giannis?
Lillard, Bailey and Giannis?

The Bucks don't even own their FRP till 2031!

edit: it's unprotected till then. What a mess.

Oh Dame (Damn)!

[ItsDanger]

Wizards:
Valanciunas 32
Brogdon 31
Kuzma 29

Nets:
Bogdanovic: 35
Schroder 31
Finnley Smith 31
Simmons 28
Johnson 28

Blazers:
Grant 30

Pistons:
Harris 32
Hardaway Jr: 32

Jazz:
Mills 36
Clarkson 32

Hornets:
Gibson 39
Curry 34
Micic 30
Martin 29

Bulls
Vucevic 34
Craig 33
Lavine 29
Carter 29

Irrelevant comparison. How's it working out for them? People need to have more patience and think long term.

The Raps situation is no different than any other rebuilding or tanking team. Every team in the NBA has vets.

My opinion is it's preferable to have the core on same timeline, not that other teams do not have any vets.

[OakleyDokely]

Irrelevant comparison. How's it working out for them? People need to have more patience and think long term.

The Raps situation is no different than any other rebuilding or tanking team. Every team in the NBA has vets.

My opinion is it's preferable to have the core on same timeline, not that other teams do not have any vets.

Which core players do the Raps have that are old? Poeltl? an average-sh starting C who is probably the 4-5th best player on the team. That's the guy we need to rush to give away?

The teams projected to compete for the top pick of the next draft are playing vets as good or better than Poeltl right now. They must be stupid as well.

[ItsDanger]

The Raps situation is no different than any other rebuilding or tanking team. Every team in the NBA has vets.

My opinion is it's preferable to have the core on same timeline, not that other teams do not have any vets.

Which core players do the Raps have that are old? Poeltl? an average-sh starting C who is probably the 4-5th best player on the team. That's the guy we need to rush to give away?

The teams projected to compete for the top pick of the next draft are playing vets as good or better than Poeltl right now. They must be stupid as well.

Better to tank than fight for the play in. This process is at least 2 years behind the curve. I'd remember that before commenting on this angle. I'm not in a rush to do anything.

[OakleyDokely]

My opinion is it's preferable to have the core on same timeline, not that other teams do not have any vets.

Which core players do the Raps have that are old? Poeltl? an average-sh starting C who is probably the 4-5th best player on the team. That's the guy we need to rush to give away?

The teams projected to compete for the top pick of the next draft are playing vets as good or better than Poeltl right now. They must be stupid as well.

Better to tank than fight for the play in. This process is at least 2 years behind the curve. I'd remember that before commenting on this angle. I'm not in a rush to do anything.

The Raps are 2-7 and currently sit near of the bottom of the NBA, behind only the Jazz among the teams realistically to be in the mix for the top pick. You should be ecstatic so far if a top pick is your goal.

[PhilBlackson]

Which core players do the Raps have that are old? Poeltl? an average-sh starting C who is probably the 4-5th best player on the team. That's the guy we need to rush to give away?

The teams projected to compete for the top pick of the next draft are playing vets as good or better than Poeltl right now. They must be stupid as well.

Better to tank than fight for the play in. This process is at least 2 years behind the curve. I'd remember that before commenting on this angle. I'm not in a rush to do anything.

The Raps are 2-7 and currently sit near of the bottom of the NBA, behind only the Jazz among the teams realistically to be in the mix for the top pick. You should be ecstatic so far if a top pick is your goal.

Hate to chime in but obviously things change when we get back our 2 best players…just saying.

[ItsDanger]

Part of the tanking process is maximizing value of the assets on the roster, not just securing a top pick. That includes young players on the team as well. Trading vets should always be a priority.

[Psubs]

My opinion is it's preferable to have the core on same timeline, not that other teams do not have any vets.

Which core players do the Raps have that are old? Poeltl? an average-sh starting C who is probably the 4-5th best player on the team. That's the guy we need to rush to give away?

The teams projected to compete for the top pick of the next draft are playing vets as good or better than Poeltl right now. They must be stupid as well.

Better to tank than fight for the play in. This process is at least 2 years behind the curve. I'd remember that before commenting on this angle. I'm not in a rush to do anything.

The core would look more on the same timeline with Edey instead of Poeltl. Flip Poeltl for a late 1st pick and draft Zvonimir Ivisic.

Then tank 1 more year for Dybansta or Cameron Boozer!!!

PG IQ - Shead - Demin
SG Dick - Jakobe - Demin
SF Barrett - Agbaji - Battle
PF Barnes - Mogbo
C Olynyk - Ivisic/Chomche

[OakleyDokely]

Better to tank than fight for the play in. This process is at least 2 years behind the curve. I'd remember that before commenting on this angle. I'm not in a rush to do anything.

The Raps are 2-7 and currently sit near of the bottom of the NBA, behind only the Jazz among the teams realistically to be in the mix for the top pick. You should be ecstatic so far if a top pick is your goal.

Hate to chime in but obviously things change when we get back our 2 best players…just saying.

If Poeltl is contributing to too many wins at some point, it might become be a problem. But that potential issue seems like a long way off, if it happens at all.

If the Raps get a good offer for Poeltl, I'm pretty sure it's something they would look at.

[Scase]

Yeah look at Minny. Ant is same age as Scottie and they are pairing with him 32 year old Gibert who they just signed to a big extension. I'm comfortable with Poeltl for the next 4-5 years.

I think people take for granted how harsh it cam be to fill a position of need some time. I don't see a point moving him unless we already have a replacement (or if the move is for a replacement)

Yeah man, Jak and a 4x DPOY centre are literally the same thing.

Just talking about age and Timeline. Goberts also gonna be paid $40 million at age 35 while Ant is in his prime.

Point is it is completely reasonable to have a vet like Poeltl with a young squad.

Yeah I get that, but the age and timeline thing becomes much more understandable when you are making compromises for a player that is a 4x DPOY, and not a mid tier centre. There is a reason why KD still garnered massive returns despite his age and his injury history.

Jak is not the tier of player that you do that for. I'm not saying we have to go and trade him immediately, but eventually we will get our roster healthy and this will lead to wins that will negatively impact our draft chances. If we end up sitting healthy guys out to try and prevent that, I'm fine not trading him, but also he's not going to be as productive 3 years from now so it might be best to get value from him now, vs then.

[Psubs]

Yeah man, Jak and a 4x DPOY centre are literally the same thing.

Just talking about age and Timeline. Goberts also gonna be paid $40 million at age 35 while Ant is in his prime.

Point is it is completely reasonable to have a vet like Poeltl with a young squad.

Yeah I get that, but the age and timeline thing becomes much more understandable when you are making compromises for a player that is a 4x DPOY, and not a mid tier centre. There is a reason why KD still garnered massive returns despite his age and his injury history.

Jak is not the tier of player that you do that for. I'm not saying we have to go and trade him immediately, but eventually we will get our roster healthy and this will lead to wins that will negatively impact our draft chances. If we end up sitting healthy guys out to try and prevent that, I'm fine not trading him, but also he's not going to be as productive 3 years from now so it might be best to get value from him now, vs then.

The mileage on his knees is going to add up fast, at 7'1 he's not really a dunking threat any more. He'll be a deadline trade for a team wanting to contend.

[PhilBlackson]

The Raps are 2-7 and currently sit near of the bottom of the NBA, behind only the Jazz among the teams realistically to be in the mix for the top pick. You should be ecstatic so far if a top pick is your goal.

Hate to chime in but obviously things change when we get back our 2 best players…just saying.

If Poeltl is contributing to too many wins at some point, it might become be a problem. But that potential issue seems like a long way off, if it happens at all.

If the Raps get a good offer for Poeltl, I'm pretty sure it's something they would look at.

I don’t think it seems that far off…I believe it’s an issue by the time Scottie is back which will be just another couple weeks or so now. Sure we’ll fall a bit in the hole (no Diddy) now but that’s not even guaranteed to be too steep considering how damn close they’re battling all proven Playoff teams…and now IQ’s return sounds like it’s just around the corner. They can easily steal couple games or more. Even without Scottie this team with IQ likely plays as tough as any Play In team.

When Scottie gets back we’re something above that and I think we’ll start surprising teams. Not saying we’ll soar up to the top 4 lol. But can I see us make a bit of a surge out of the bottom 5 while others plummet behind and make it very hard to make up later?!? Yes quite easily and you don’t wanna be in a situation where you gotta try to out tank teams that get a lead on you and are every bit as serious about bottoming out as well. We can’t just decide on how far we fall down the standings whenever we want. Ie/ we bombed over 15 straight Ls in a draft no one cared about tanking in and still couldn’t crack the top 5 lol.

[OakleyDokely]

Part of the tanking process is maximizing value of the assets on the roster, not just securing a top pick. That includes young players on the team as well. Trading vets should always be a priority.

They've traded or not re-signed four of their top five minute earners over the previous 2 years. The only one left is Barnes from that group. They moved both young and old guys no longer considered part of the core.

Again, they're doing exactly what you want and you're still not happy.

[ItsDanger]

Part of the tanking process is maximizing value of the assets on the roster, not just securing a top pick. That includes young players on the team as well. Trading vets should always be a priority.

They've traded or not re-signed four of their top five minute earners over the previous 2 years. The only one left is Barnes from that group.

Again, they're doing exactly what they want and you're still not happy.

I believe they should constantly maximize assets while securing a high pick. It's not complicated. I just think others want to try for that play in again.

[OakleyDokely]

Part of the tanking process is maximizing value of the assets on the roster, not just securing a top pick. That includes young players on the team as well. Trading vets should always be a priority.

They've traded or not re-signed four of their top five minute earners over the previous 2 years. The only one left is Barnes from that group.

Again, they're doing exactly what they want and you're still not happy.

I believe they should constantly maximize assets while securing a high pick. It's not complicated. I just think others want to try for that play in again.

They've turned over almost the entire roster minus Barnes and Boucher over the last couple years. There have been, and continue to be substantial changes to the roster, including this past offseason in order to make the roster younger, deeper and more flexible.

[ItsDanger]

Present: poeltl on a 4 year deal, undervalued, championship piece, top 10 C

November, 2025: expiring deal, 30 years old, can't space the floor, bad FTs.

The narrative can change quickly and next season he has player option looming. Don't make same mistake as with Fred and get nothing. There is a risk here. If there is a good deal in Jan/Feb, you take it. There's currently some demand out there.

For the tank, urgency isn't right now, but possibly in a month or 2 when everyone is healthy and schedule is weaker. Don't **** it up.

[LoveMyRaps]

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