2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[mademan]

Will Riley could very well be there at 39. No need to trade down from what might be a top 5 pick when you can trade up from 39

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Still don't like Condon?

i don't know enough about his history and story

if he has a really good growth trajectory maybe he could be like hartenstein but hart 7'2.25 WS, i want to see his measurements

according to synergy condon is actually in the 95th percentile as a technical defender which i didn't realize. it seems as though he is really good at closing out on shooters while his rim defense is in 66th percentile which is solid. this is moving me a bit.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Would be a fireable move .

That’s a Blue Jays management level move.

Trading back 2 spots to get the potential best C in the draft class and a 6'8 Canadian SF who's already had multiple 20pt games isn't going to be some sort of disastrous move, but I'll let the draft prognosticators tell it. I'm an ACE fan, but I'd definitely sign off on that is the chips landed that way. I'm also high on Maluach

I said it yesterday, I’m not taking Maluach in the first round, and Riley has shown very little to nothing at all… much like Maluach. Trading Ace for that is wild! At worst, you have a huge asset in Ace because of how teams buy on potential. Nobody will give you Ace for Maluach or Riley at any point in their careers barring some sort of major injury.

[Jerry Lucas]

Top 10 Big Board (2/18):

1. Cooper Flagg
2. VJ Edgecombe
3. Kasparas Jakucionis
4. Dylan Harper
5. Derik Queen
6. Asa Newell
7. Collin Murray-Boyles
8. Thomas Sorber
9. Kon Knueppel
10. Alex Condon

[Yallbecrazy]

That’s a Blue Jays management level move.

Trading back 2 spots to get the potential best C in the draft class and a 6'8 Canadian SF who's already had multiple 20pt games isn't going to be some sort of disastrous move, but I'll let the draft prognosticators tell it. I'm an ACE fan, but I'd definitely sign off on that is the chips landed that way. I'm also high on Maluach

I said it yesterday, I’m not taking Maluach in the first round, and Riley has shown very little to nothing at all… much like Maluach. Trading Ace for that is wild! At worst, you have a huge asset in Ace because of how teams buy on potential. Nobody will give you Ace for Maluach or Riley at any point in their careers barring some sort of major injury.

I think there's a >50% chance all 3 will bust so I see it as a fair deal.

[Psubs]

Will Riley could very well be there at 39. No need to trade down from what might be a top 5 pick when you can trade up from 39

Is he a passing Kelly Oubre? I don't really see a path for him to start. Maybe stuck fighting with Battle for mins.

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Top 10 Big Board (2/18):

1. Cooper Flagg
2. VJ Edgecombe
3. Kasparas Jakucionis
4. Dylan Harper
5. Derik Queen
6. Asa Newell
7. Collin Murray-Boyles
8. Thomas Sorber
9. Kon Knueppel
10. Alex Condon

I do like Condon more than Queen, Newell and Sorber but I don't think he would move up THAT much unless Florida makes a deep run and kills the combine. It's possible.

I can see him as a high floor lower ceiling but probably able to replace Poeltl and be more of a lob threat, able to run the break off a rebound and shoot 3's at league average.

[Indeed]

This happens every year.

The year before people hype up in the incoming class and then when that class plays collegiate ball, we realize everyone is not what they seem. Then we say wait for the next class. Rinse, wash, repeat.

The truth is no one knows how good a class is going to be until its their draft year and we get to see them against top tier competition. I would say let's pray for a top 5 pick. Anyone of those guys would make us better than we are right now

It’s the opposite of what you’re saying. I wanna trade for more picks cause this draft is so good. I wouldn’t mind drafting 2-6 either, but I just want multiple shots in the first round.

I only knew Cooper and Ace (also heard of, but didn’t pay attention to Maluach, Tre and Essengue too) heading into this year and I didn’t even like Cooper. So this class has exceeded the hype for me.

Last year, I hated practically every player. There were only 6 players I liked (Castle, Edey, Clingan, McCain, Devin Carter, Mogbo@31). This year, there are around 20 players I want.

There's loads of offensive talent in this draft. Two-way talent seems scarce. I'm desperately hoping that we can nab one of them with few exceptions.

By the way, what do you think of Danny Wolf? I've yet to see enough to have an assured opinion. I've got a sneaky feeling he's my guy though. Dependent on defense, of course.

Two-way talent not exactly scarce, just that offensive is over looked and ranked at the top.
Thiero, Lendeborg, Miles Byrd, etc. would rank higher in the previous drafts.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Trading back 2 spots to get the potential best C in the draft class and a 6'8 Canadian SF who's already had multiple 20pt games isn't going to be some sort of disastrous move, but I'll let the draft prognosticators tell it. I'm an ACE fan, but I'd definitely sign off on that is the chips landed that way. I'm also high on Maluach

I said it yesterday, I’m not taking Maluach in the first round, and Riley has shown very little to nothing at all… much like Maluach. Trading Ace for that is wild! At worst, you have a huge asset in Ace because of how teams buy on potential. Nobody will give you Ace for Maluach or Riley at any point in their careers barring some sort of major injury.

I think there's a >50% chance all 3 will bust so I see it as a fair deal.

That’s what I’m saying though, if they’re all potential busts you go with the guy who teams will believe they can fix. That’s how you maintain value even if you make the wrong pick.

If this were the 90’s it would be Maluach.

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purdue hasn't lost 3 straight since 2020 it'll be interesting to see if they can grind out a road win against michigan state who match up extremely well with them.

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Still don't like Condon?

i don't know enough about his history and story

if he has a really good growth trajectory maybe he could be like hartenstein but hart 7'2.25 WS, i want to see his measurements

according to synergy condon is actually in the 95th percentile as a technical defender which i didn't realize. it seems as though he is really good at closing out on shooters while his rim defense is in 66th percentile which is solid. this is moving me a bit.

His nickname will be condom if he continues on this defensive trajectory.

[Jerry Lucas]

Top 10 Big Board (2/18):

1. Cooper Flagg
2. VJ Edgecombe
3. Kasparas Jakucionis
4. Dylan Harper
5. Derik Queen
6. Asa Newell
7. Collin Murray-Boyles
8. Thomas Sorber
9. Kon Knueppel
10. Alex Condon

I do like Condon more than Queen, Newell and Sorber but I don't think he would move up THAT much unless Florida makes a deep run and kills the combine. It's possible.

I can see him as a high floor lower ceiling but probably able to replace Poeltl and be more of a lob threat, able to run the break off a rebound and shoot 3's at league average.

I agree that Condon probably doesn't rise as high as I have him here, but I posted a big board not a mock draft. And at this point Condon's season has been too impressive for me to not have him at least ranked in the lottery range on my board.

[ArthurVandelay]

Still don't like Condon?

i don't know enough about his history and story

if he has a really good growth trajectory maybe he could be like hartenstein but hart 7'2.25 WS, i want to see his measurements

according to synergy condon is actually in the 95th percentile as a technical defender which i didn't realize. it seems as though he is really good at closing out on shooters while his rim defense is in 66th percentile which is solid. this is moving me a bit.

His nickname will be condom if he continues on this defensive trajectory.

That’s good. Raptors will need to protect Dick.

[BoyzNTheHood]

All he does is shoot, but he does it extremely well! At some point I’d promise him at the Portland pick if I’m Masai.

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[RoteSchroder]

To put it into perspective the top 8 players from 23 class are on pace to give back more VORP than top 8 from 22 class. Lively, Wallace, Thompsons, Podz, TJD are all studs and Wemby is legit generational. There are more guys from 23 lurking in the shadows.

You can't factor injuries into this because injuries are tied at the hip with career outcomes.

24 is gonna be total **** unless McCain becomes mid level all-star which could happen.

What kind of buffoonery is this?

VORP is affected by number of games played. Most of the guys you mentioned are role players or bench players. They’re not better than Banchero and Chet, even if their VORPs are higher.

Chet, Banchero, Jalen Williams are better than all the guys you mentioned outside of Wemby.

Kessler, Eason, Christian Braun, Mark Williams, Dyson Daniels, Duren have better VORP than half the guys you mentioned. These guys are all at or over 1 VORP whereas Podz, TJD, Ausar, Wallace are all under 1.

Other players from the 22 class like Ochai, Nikola match Podz at 0.5 VORP

IDK man pretty sure a ton of scouting reports had concerns about Holmgren's durability and these things factor into career outcomes. You're just flat out ignoring how the 2022 class has been greatly injury prone. You also completely ignored the fact that one class has 2 seasons under their belt and the other 3 and the larger expected jump between yr 2 - yr 3 progression than yr 3 - yr 4.

Then there's the fact that Wemby clears all these guys. The lumping of the 23 and 22 classes by Indeed didn't sit well with me and especially that 25 is better than either. People are going to be hella disappointed with the 'top' of the 25 class. Just a huge lack of athleticism, defense and shooting in so many of the highly touted guys.

yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

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Still don't like Condon?

i don't know enough about his history and story

if he has a really good growth trajectory maybe he could be like hartenstein but hart 7'2.25 WS, i want to see his measurements

according to synergy condon is actually in the 95th percentile as a technical defender which i didn't realize. it seems as though he is really good at closing out on shooters while his rim defense is in 66th percentile which is solid. this is moving me a bit.

His nickname will be condom if he continues on this defensive trajectory.

More PG would be Condor, but dam Dick and Condom running the nice 2-man game. Dick and Condom with the double-team!

Condom covering Dick's man all night!

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All he does is shoot, but he does it extremely well! At some point I’d promise him at the Portland pick if I’m Masai.

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Lighter Battle?

[BoyzNTheHood]

All he does is shoot, but he does it extremely well! At some point I’d promise him at the Portland pick if I’m Masai.

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Lighter Battle?

Closer to Dick than Battle in my estimation. Battle is more of a standstill, or sidestep shooter. Evans is more of a movement shooter, which is much harder to guard.

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The guys I've seen and had any sort of take on, outside of Flagg:

Broome - He's definitely capitalizing heavily on being a man playing against kids in terms of strength, and his FT% suggests his 3pt shooting may end up around 30% and not really be viable in the NBA (apart from like end of shot clock pick and pops I guess), but he plays hard, is tough, has shown he can learn and apply things on the court (he was pretty raw before transferring if I remember right? And some bigs never learn to apply skills in games) and we're so desperate for a stretch 5 that even one giving up height might be worth it if he makes to to the Portland 2nd. Probably won't just because a cheap rotation player for 4 years is something some team will want before us, though we're now in that boat with no backup 5 and no money to find one.

Amari Williams - This is the kind of center our front office likes. Fairly agile, comfortable handling the ball, I like him more than Ighodaro last year as a similar type dude, but who seemed soft and was being spoon-fed by Kolek. I could see him being a backup center in the NBA, because he's got some of the subtler skills Euro centers have generally been better with, but he's a decent athlete.

Edgecombe - He scares me less than Bailey. Arguably less upside, but safer pick and several of his Baylor teammates don't really know how to play on O or understand that he's better than them, and he still makes tons of plays.