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Post#701 » by ciueli » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:01 am

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MoMan24 wrote:Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol


He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.


Sabonis is a bad defender, which means, what ever he scores in offense he loses on defense. Jak may not score a lot, but he prevents a lot of scoring, which bottom line is something i rather have in the POs than an offensive only player. Also Jak can play 70 to 80 games a season, but it wasnt necessary last year. Rather let a hurt player heal than rush him back. Especially this season he missed 13 games because of injuries, of which half were precautionary. And even if you want to upgrade from Jak, Sabonis is not the answer - you still need someone that can defend.

The infatuation with the strech 5 is becoming an obsession around here. We had 2 Centers that are non shooting bigs in the Final 4 (Hartenstein & Gobert), one big in Kat that was exposed on defense (parallels to Sabonis), and only Myles Turner that was ok from 3 and good at defense. I really wish people would take into account what actually is happening instead of what they wish is happening. A strech Center is not mandatory to win, Defensive Centers are.

And can we please stop with the nonsense that Jak is unplayable in the 4th? How many times has he prove to you that this is wrong. When it matters, he makes his free throws, unlike RJ or Barnes. And its not like he is shooting many of them. Last year he was shooting 0.8 FTs in the 4th quarter. Dont tell me that this is a problem.


All the teams that went deep into the playoffs this year with a traditional non-3pt shooting C had 4 out players around them, they didn't play other players who also couldn't shoot 3s like we are planning to with Scottie. It won't work, the best teams in the NBA play 4 or even 5 out, both teams in the Finals have stretch Cs and can play 5 out if necessary. That is the present and future, we're headed to the past with a team that regularly goes on extended scoring droughts because smart teams just dare us to punish them from the 3 point line and we can't because many of our rotations only have 2 consistent 3 point shooters on the floor, there's only one dunker spot and Jakob Poletl isn't close to a good enough player to allocate it to him for 30+MPG.

Maybe Sabonis isn't the answer even if he's even available, but Jakob Poeltl + Scottie Barnes sure isn't going to be it either.
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Post#702 » by TGM » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:20 am

Sabonis’ ability to pass from the top of the key or drive and dish pulls out the defending teams C from clogging the middle. So even if people think he scores a basket and gives up a basket he opens up the floor for guys to drive and get in. RJ’s game actually would benefit greatly from a guy like Sabonis. Same as Scottie. Take away the big C and let Scottie pound the ball inside. With this being said we still need an alpha outside threat. Which in some ways makes me kind of see why Monk is not a bad guy to go after. Monk to me is a way better guy to play at point compared to IQ
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Post#703 » by Landomar » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:37 pm

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MoMan24 wrote:Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol


He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.


Can Sabonis be a part of a championship contender if you consider his contract and the make-up of our team? Even with Scottie, we're gonna need a defensive anchor. If he can't be a part of the final solution, then there's no point in giving up assets for him.

Like with Durant, it may make sense for the MLSE as their goal is to put fans in their seats and make money. Doesn't make sense for fans.


Sabonis is very good, and based on how some posters have been talking about him, he's one of the most underrated star players in the NBA. It's just math. He was getting MVP votes in 22-23 and 23-24 for a reason.

Sabonis BPM the last 3 years: 5.8, 6.5, 5.2
Sabonis BPM ranks the last 3 years: 15th, 7th, 10th

Sacramento has had a very good offense with Sabonis, and he's been a huge reason why. He can play at the top of the key and be a shoot / pass / drive threat from that area, while pulling the other teams center away from the basket. This opens up the floor for everybody, and fits perfectly with how Darko wants to run the offense. His rebounding also is the best in the NBA, and a huge value add for any team that has him. I see a lot of people saying that his defense is so bad that a team can't win with him, but I don't think the math supports that. His defensive numbers are decent overall, and he has a valuable role on defense, which is to box out and get the rebound. He's not a rim protecting, shot blocking, help defender, which is why you want to pair him with a mobile PF who can do those things. Scottie Barnes is good enough at help defense around the rim that his overall fit with Sabonis should be very good.

Poeltl is a great center, but he's not a star in the way that Sabonis is. RJ Barrett is talented, but hasn't had much of a positive impact in terms of winning so far. I like Poeltl and Barrett, and enjoy having both on the team, and I understand that BPM isn't everything and is just one stat. There are other stats you can look at that also support gaining wins by trading them for Sabonis, but I'll stick with listing BPM here.

Poeltl BPM the last 3 years: 1.9. 0.7, 2
Barrett BPM the last 3 years: -3.1, -0.8, 0.6

If you can get Sabonis for Poeltl, Barrett, and 9, it's a huge upgrade that would add wins to our projected record, and raise the ceiling of the team. Sabonis is also in his prime, durable, and a player that could be in our plans for awhile. I personally think that Sacramento wouldn't be interested in a trade like this, to be honest. They'd have to be hard pivoting to a full rebuild, and really love somebody available at 9.
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Post#704 » by RaptorLakerJay » Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:54 pm

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Post#705 » by InfraRedshaw » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:11 pm

I feel like Luka makes any lob threat a viable piece, they could sign Marvin Bagley and with the way Luka runs PNR and his great passing, he'd become a legit rotation player
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Post#706 » by Raptorfan2012 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:45 pm

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Why? I don't think we need either one of these guys.
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Post#707 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:37 pm

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ciueli wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:Don't understand the Sabonis thing at all. He does not space the floor at all. Take under one 3 pointer a game. Is a horrible defender and rim protector. The only position he can play an under sized 5 man. His fit with Scottie is horrific. He also 3 more years on his contract for 140 million. Unless we are getting a steal I say HELL NO. You don't win with him on your team. None of his teams in OKC, IND or SAC have ever gone past the first round. He gets exposed in the playoffs so bad lol


He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.


Can Sabonis be a part of a championship contender if you consider his contract and the make-up of our team? Even with Scottie, we're gonna need a defensive anchor. If he can't be a part of the final solution, then there's no point in giving up assets for him.

Like with Durant, it may make sense for the MLSE as their goal is to put fans in their seats and make money. Doesn't make sense for fans.


You can always ask this question of any player.

Teams with poor defensive anchors make up for it on the perimeter or aggregate. We'd probably closer to a Denver model of team, with Ingram taking the Jamal Murray role and Scottie a higher IQ Aaron Gordon.
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Post#708 » by Edvan88 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:45 pm

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He was at 2.2 3PTA this season, so you're wrong about his attempts. And he shot nearly 42% on threes this year, he's improved his 3PT% every single year for the last 3 seasons.

Jak is going to get paid next offseason if we don't deal him, I'd rather pay Sabonis what he's getting to be an All-Star level player for 35+MPG and 70-80 games per season than pay Jak $30M+ for 30MPG of work and 50-60 games per season. Throw in Jak being a liability at the FT line and him being unplayable at the end of games and it makes even more sense, we need to upgrade the C position, not just be happy with non-3 point shooters at the starting PF and C positions.


Can Sabonis be a part of a championship contender if you consider his contract and the make-up of our team? Even with Scottie, we're gonna need a defensive anchor. If he can't be a part of the final solution, then there's no point in giving up assets for him.

Like with Durant, it may make sense for the MLSE as their goal is to put fans in their seats and make money. Doesn't make sense for fans.


You can always ask this question of any player.

Teams with poor defensive anchors make up for it on the perimeter or aggregate. We'd probably closer to a Denver model of team, with Ingram taking the Jamal Murray role and Scottie a higher IQ Aaron Gordon.


Except Jokic >>>>>> Sabonis.
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Post#709 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:16 pm

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Can Sabonis be a part of a championship contender if you consider his contract and the make-up of our team? Even with Scottie, we're gonna need a defensive anchor. If he can't be a part of the final solution, then there's no point in giving up assets for him.

Like with Durant, it may make sense for the MLSE as their goal is to put fans in their seats and make money. Doesn't make sense for fans.


You can always ask this question of any player.

Teams with poor defensive anchors make up for it on the perimeter or aggregate. We'd probably closer to a Denver model of team, with Ingram taking the Jamal Murray role and Scottie a higher IQ Aaron Gordon.


Except Jokic >>>>>> Sabonis.


Uh, yeah.

Just saying the team can have a similar structure and probably win a lot. Depends on the cost, but of all the stars being mentioned he likely hits the sweet spot of best-youngest-affordable.
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Post#710 » by MessiahUjiri » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:16 pm

There's a 3 way possibility with LAL and UTAH where we get Lauri and Kessler.



The trade:

LAL gets: Jak Poeltl
LAL trades: Dalton Knecht, '31 1st, Expiring Bad Salary (Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber)

Toronto gets: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler
Toronto trades: #9, RJ Barrett, Jak Poeltl

Utah gets: #9, RJ Barrett, Dalton Knecht, '31 LAL 1st, Expiring Bad Salary (Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber)
Utah trades: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler




LAL gets their C who can cleanup after LBJ, Luka, Reaves.
Toronto gets their 3rd star + C replacement
Utah gets to have 2 top 10 picks now, plus assets for the future.
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Post#711 » by WuTang_OG » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:01 pm

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Post#712 » by TGM » Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:28 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:There's a 3 way possibility with LAL and UTAH where we get Lauri and Kessler.



The trade:

LAL gets: Jak Poeltl
LAL trades: Dalton Knecht, '31 1st, Expiring Bad Salary (Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber)

Toronto gets: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler
Toronto trades: #9, RJ Barrett, Jak Poeltl

Utah gets: #9, RJ Barrett, Dalton Knecht, '31 LAL 1st, Expiring Bad Salary (Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleber)
Utah trades: Lauri Markannen, Walker Kessler




LAL gets their C who can cleanup after LBJ, Luka, Reaves.
Toronto gets their 3rd star + C replacement
Utah gets to have 2 top 10 picks now, plus assets for the future.


I would rather have Sabonis and Monk as to Lauri and Kessler
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Post#713 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:40 pm

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Collins Lebron and Luka lol lol who's gonna play defense?
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Post#714 » by Tor_Raps » Yesterday 12:03 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
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Raptors should be all over this imo.


Collins Lebron and Luka lol lol who's gonna play defense?


Austin Reaves obviously lol
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Post#715 » by Tripod » Yesterday 2:20 am

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Raptors should be all over this imo.


Collins Lebron and Luka lol lol who's gonna play defense?


Austin Reaves obviously lol

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Post#716 » by WuTang_OG » Yesterday 4:41 pm

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Post#717 » by OakleyDokely » Yesterday 4:51 pm

Kuminga should hire sharife cooper's dad
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Post#718 » by DangerZone13 » Yesterday 4:57 pm

I'm certainly not advocating for it, but the idea just crossed my mind:
Masai heavily scouted Kuminga...suppose Golden State weren't 100% on bringing him back but wanted to maintain an asset.

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Post#719 » by Shakril » Yesterday 5:51 pm

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Lakers are stupid if they think john collins is the answer.
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Post#720 » by JB7 » Yesterday 6:08 pm

Shakril wrote:
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Raptors should be all over this imo.


Lakers are stupid if they think john collins is the answer.


Collins and Rui are both expiring deals. Probably just looking for something that could make for a lot of excitement for one season. They need to keep that cap space free to be able to sign Giannis in a couple of years :D

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