Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[WuTang_CMB]

you're the one behind because that's already been established.

And yeah, that's how trade negotiations work, congrats on figuring it out.

but minnesota and toronto aren't connected because we will do that deal without an extension.

do you even remember two weeks ago?

Read on Twitter

Masai wants a big fish, this is it.

U were confused. I just explained it lol twice today. Jeeze.

Raps want a big fish ya who cares. PHX has been using both minny and toronto in the media to get better offers. What does that have to do with toronto going after a star? Lol

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

[WuTang_CMB]

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

While this is correct....It seems like the teams KD wants are not going to try and compete with Raps/Minnys offers....Which is why no deal is done yet....So it is possible we are being used as leverage while also being true that Raps/Minny did in fact put these offers on the table for KD and Suns are trying to convince KD to accept the deal with Minny...It sounds like Minny would NOT accept the deal if KD says no to Minny, And maybe just maybe Raptors don't care if he wants to come here or not like with the Kawhi deal and Suns just ship him here as we would have the 2nd best offer on the table....

Yeah thats where i am at. PHX just using this team and playing PR game hoping these teams improve. They got a week so they will do it but they are doing a crap job.

[Clutch0z24]

U were confused. I just explained it lol twice today. Jeeze.

Raps want a big fish ya who cares. PHX has been using both minny and toronto in the media to get better offers. What does that have to do with toronto going after a star? Lol

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

No they can't send him to Minny because Minny is NOT accepting the offer without KDs blessing....If Suns could send KD to Minny the deal would be done right now....But Minny if KD doesn't give assurances they do not want to blow up a contending team if KD says no....That could be the difference with us because Masai may green light the deal without caring if KD wants us or not...

[WuTang_CMB]

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

No they can't send him to Minny because Minny is NOT accepting the offer without KDs blessing....If Suns could send KD to Minny the deal would be done right now....But Minny if KD doesn't give assurances they do not want to blow up a contending team if KD says no....That could be the difference with us because Masai may green light the deal without caring if KD wants us or not...

Its both ways. They also dont want to send him there because KD is saying no. Thats what holding it up. In the mean time they are doing this garbage PR game.

[Zeno]

The most likely scenario is Suns tell KD that if he doesn’t approve the Wolves deal, they are sending him here and that we don’t care. At which point KD likely approves the Wolves deal. Game over.

[Brinbe]

U were confused. I just explained it lol twice today. Jeeze.

Raps want a big fish ya who cares. PHX has been using both minny and toronto in the media to get better offers. What does that have to do with toronto going after a star? Lol

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

bro, you are the one who doesn't understand anything. oh my goodness. open the schools. MINNESOTA AND TORONTO ARE NOT CONNECTED. The wolves deal is contingent on the wolves accepting from the wolves' end as they want assurances of an extension. that clearly isn't the case with us as that hasn't been reported at all.

do you understand what leverage means? Open a dictionary and get off twitter.

leverage would mean they are stringing the raptors along with zero intention of sending him here. that's clearly not what's going on. they got what toronto has offered and went back to the other teams to see if they'd match or beat it. either they do or don't. that's not leverage, that's standard negotiations.

the raps are just chilling because they put their bid in. there's not much else they can do from this point. if it doesn't happen they move on to the next target. simple as.

[Clutch0z24]

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

No they can't send him to Minny because Minny is NOT accepting the offer without KDs blessing....If Suns could send KD to Minny the deal would be done right now....But Minny if KD doesn't give assurances they do not want to blow up a contending team if KD says no....That could be the difference with us because Masai may green light the deal without caring if KD wants us or not...

Its both ways. They also dont want to send him there because KD is saying no. Thats what holding it up. In the mean time they are doing this garbage PR game.

I Don't think Suns give a damn if KD wants to go some where or not....They are trying to convince KD to go to Minny atm so they can accept the deal but it sounds like KD is still saying no....And it is totally possible that if Minnys deal does not go down Raptors become 1st in line as an option for Suns....And if Masai don't care about assurance like the Wolves do...We could end up with KD in that scenario.

[sidsid]

So we’re basically safe. We don’t even have the top offer of the undesirable destinations. Even if we were willing to do the trade, Kawhi style, it would require the Wolves to back out first.

The Minny offer is conditional on KD wanting to re-sign there. I get why. If their offer includes prospects and potentially a pick they literally have nothing left to work with after re-signing Naz/Randle.

Our offer, if Masai is planning cap space as an out, likely doesn't have that condition.

Like the Kawhi trade, Masai may be the only guy at the table willing to make that gamble.

[WuTang_CMB]

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

bro, you are the one who doesn't understand anything. oh my goodness. open the schools. MINNESOTA AND TORONTO ARE NOT CONNECTED.

do you understand what leverage means? Open a dictionary and get off twitter.

leverage would mean they are stringing the raptors along with zero intention of sending him here. that's clearly not what's going on. they got what toronto has offered and went back to the other teams to see if they'd match. either they do or don't. that's not leverage

How many times does this need to be explained to you? Lol

This is getting sad dude.

Read the room. They are doing a PR game. It’s not so hard to understand. I gave u the 101 on negotiations since you’ve been inept throughout. Go to bed.

[Clutch0z24]

The most likely scenario is Suns tell KD that if he doesn’t approve the Wolves deal, they are sending him here and that we don’t care. At which point KD likely approves the Wolves deal. Game over.

I think Wolves want a commitment he will sign an extension especially if they give away players that make them contenders....They would have trouble to get back them assets if KD walks after a year....Which IDK if KD will commit to that which is why the deal is not done...

[Brinbe]

Three strikes, you’re out. Naw i had to explain it you are confused. If phx wanted to send him to minny they’d do it already. They doing the song and dance in the media Using Minny and toronto offer’s to get better ones from other clubs.

bro, you are the one who doesn't understand anything. oh my goodness. open the schools. MINNESOTA AND TORONTO ARE NOT CONNECTED.

do you understand what leverage means? Open a dictionary and get off twitter.

leverage would mean they are stringing the raptors along with zero intention of sending him here. that's clearly not what's going on. they got what toronto has offered and went back to the other teams to see if they'd match. either they do or don't. that's not leverage

How many times does this need to be explained to you? Lol

This is getting sad dude.

Read the room. They are doing a PR game. It’s not so hard to understand. I gave u the 101 on negotiations since you’ve been inept throughout. Go to bed.

explain right now what the public relations game being played here is? who's faking what? they don't like the offers from those three teams and will send him here unless they up their offer. And if they don't, they won't? How is that PR? You're just throwing out buzz words.

Are you thinking they'll just back out and take whatever deal instead of doing what's best for their team? What purpose does that serve Phoenix? Everything they're doing is pretty clear. They're trying to appease KD, but they won't take a crappy deal just to make him happy.

You're the one lost in space making up fake scenarios on your head.

[Zeno]

The most likely scenario is Suns tell KD that if he doesn’t approve the Wolves deal, they are sending him here and that we don’t care. At which point KD likely approves the Wolves deal. Game over.

I think Wolves want a commitment he will sign an extension especially if they give away players that make them contenders....They would have trouble to get back them assets if KD walks after a year....Which IDK if KD will commit to that which is why the deal is not done...

Yes I assume if the Suns are finally going to accept our lesser offer, the will go back to KD to give him one more chance to change his mind. At which I think he does.

[Brinbe]

The most likely scenario is Suns tell KD that if he doesn’t approve the Wolves deal, they are sending him here and that we don’t care. At which point KD likely approves the Wolves deal. Game over.

I think Wolves want a commitment he will sign an extension especially if they give away players that make them contenders....They would have trouble to get back them assets if KD walks after a year....Which IDK if KD will commit to that which is why the deal is not done...

Exactly right. The Wolves aren't desperate. KD is an enhancer but Ant is still there regardless.

We're in a position to gamble, especially with the East being wide open next season, so Masai will swing for the fences here as long as he gets the 1A guy,

[RoteSchroder]

If rumours of interest in KD are true, it seems like a very short-sighted move by the Raptors. Probably just to pump up the value of the franchise before Tanenbaum sells.

He's gone through 5 years of failure after GSW. The fit of Scottie/Durant/Ingram isn't even good. We need a PoA defender, none of them are well suited to chase around guards. We also need guard play on offense. Durant could possibly only have 1 good year left, his defense is dropping off, and he's not exactly an ironman in health either.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Am I the only one who wouldn’t want to pay KD an extension? Do you want him on the books at $50 million per year when he’s 38 years old?

Thinking about this more, I’m not buying this. The fact that an offer was leaked means it’s highly unlikely that’s the offer that gets accepted. We probably never even offered this but it’s gotten leaked to set the market.

[M3tro]

So we’re basically safe. We don’t even have the top offer of the undesirable destinations. Even if we were willing to do the trade, Kawhi style, it would require the Wolves to back out first.

The Minny offer is conditional on KD wanting to re-sign there. I get why. If their offer includes prospects and potentially a pick they literally have nothing left to work with after re-signing Naz/Randle.

Our offer, if Masai is planning cap space as an out, likely doesn't have that condition.

Like the Kawhi trade, Masai may be the only guy at the table willing to make that gamble.

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

[LoveMyRaps]

Am I the only one who wouldn’t want to pay KD an extension? Do you want him on the books at $50 million per year when he’s 38 years old?

Thinking about this more, I’m not buying this. The fact that an offer was leaked means it’s highly unlikely that’s the offer that gets accepted. We probably never even offered this but it’s gotten leaked to set the market.

50mil AAV for a 2-3 year extension sounds great to me.

I'd much rather give KD than allocate it towards an RJ and Poeltl extension.

KD is gonna be a 25ppg scorer for however long he decides to play. He's still a bonafide star.

[LoveMyRaps]

Would y'all rather trade for.... KD (1yr left) OR Kawhi (2yrs left)

Pros and cons to both.
A couple being...
KD is more durable and will likely play more games.
Kawhi is younger and comes with an extra year of control.

[CazOnReal]

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

Trading for a 37 year old KD when you were a 30 win team isn't bold, it's foolhardy. And that's a generous assessment.

Would y'all rather trade for.... KD (1yr left) OR Kawhi (2yrs left)

Neither? Kawhi will have the same issue of salary matching and his injury issues are even more extensive than Durant. If Kevin wasn't making as much money or if we had some obvious filler candidates then it'd make trading for him an easier sell since you do free up a good amount of cap space in a pretty decent free agency class in 2026.

[M3tro]

Which is exactly why I think we land him.

Success requires being bold and Masai has both.

Trading for a 37 year old KD when you were a 30 win team isn't bold, it's foolhardy. And that's a generous assessment.

I think KD is the bait to lure Giannis.

It's funny how the rumored packages to surface didn't feature overlapping assets apart from the 9th pick.

If we get KD, I'd expect a follow-up move.