[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[dgr81]

I don't think we trade OG unless he wants out. And knowing the klutch way of doing business they would have already leaked to the media that he wants out

pretty sure they have leaked to the media that he wants out

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

That's fair. I just found it weird how Nurse was practically second-guessing their decision to rule him out for the rest of the trip.

It sounded like he got caught off guard and got defensive. Typically that'd be his call, but given the time of year...he might have been over ruled.

It's not the coaches call, it's the medical staff.

Yeah, he got cleared from my limited understanding. Hence the confusion by Nurse (on why OG wasn't available).

[Tha Cynic]

All of us are collectively holding our breaths hoping the custodian story is true

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

All of us are collectively holding our breaths hoping the custodian story is true

[MavCarter]

I don't think we trade OG unless he wants out. And knowing the klutch way of doing business they would have already leaked to the media that he wants out

pretty sure they have leaked to the media that he wants out

National media?

[WaltFrazier]

Pregame show we saw OG running on court before the game. From that I conclude - he stay.

Then in Masai's interview with Donovan Bennett, focused on Africa, Masai said how great it was to look on court and see OG, Precious, Christian and Pascal together. From that comment I conclude - Masai considers him African, Masai loves OG, and - He stay

[dTox]

What was OG gonna say? "Ya I want off the team." Everyone including the fans would hate him.. he had to lie he's not stupid. multiple reports say he wants out. Where there's smoke there's fire they've been trying to trade him since the summer.. just deal with it. It is what it is...

Also want to add defensive stars don't mean **** in this league it's all about scoring.. those are the best players in the league. OG ain't that guy. He's a role player.

Lmfao no. If they were trying to trade him in the summer he would have been 100% traded already. The entire league wants him. So no, I will not deal with that made up ****.

And I am jack's suprised appendix to find out you or anyone else doesn't think defense matters. Or doesn't watch it or care aboout it. It just wins championships. And you better find another team to watch if you don't want to watch one that is building defense first, because that's what this team has been doing for 5 years now.

They might trade him and listen at the deadline, but there is zero chance they were trying in the summer.

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams. Scoring is way more important with a little bit of defense is all you need. OG is fumbling and bumbling out there trying to be a offensive star when he'd be better being a catch and shoot 3 and D role player but he's delusional and thinks he's better than what he is. That is a liability in itself imo.

In no way shape or form is OG comparable to Gobert or Simmons, their games couldn't be any more different. OG is a legitimate offensive threat, and has consistently been one of our best scorer in the playoffs, where do people come up with this nonsense?

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Lmfao no. If they were trying to trade him in the summer he would have been 100% traded already. The entire league wants him. So no, I will not deal with that made up ****.

And I am jack's suprised appendix to find out you or anyone else doesn't think defense matters. Or doesn't watch it or care aboout it. It just wins championships. And you better find another team to watch if you don't want to watch one that is building defense first, because that's what this team has been doing for 5 years now.

They might trade him and listen at the deadline, but there is zero chance they were trying in the summer.

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams. Scoring is way more important with a little bit of defense is all you need. OG is fumbling and bumbling out there trying to be a offensive star when he'd be better being a catch and shoot 3 and D role player but he's delusional and thinks he's better than what he is. That is a liability in itself imo.

In no way shape or form is OG comparable to Gobert or Simmons, their games couldn't be any more different. OG is a legitimate offensive threat, and has consistently been one of our best scorer in the playoffs, where do people come up with this nonsense?

I've never compared them he said a defensive superstar is a big difference maker when they really aren't.. OG lead us in scoring when we were getting waxed by the 76ers is not really a big deal when we know he's not really consistent like that.. He's a 3 and D role player at best and him trying to be a go to scorer only hinders his game as you can see by the poor numbers in ISO's and drives to the basket. He wants out because he wants a bigger role when he really isn't that guy. He's an amazing role player and that's it anything else is just delusion and you know it as well... If he thinks he can be Luka out there I question his IQ.... He lacks the fluidity and is just clumsy. I'm not saying he's bad but if he doesn't stick to what he does best he's just stupid at this point. You are what you are...

[dTox]

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams. Scoring is way more important with a little bit of defense is all you need. OG is fumbling and bumbling out there trying to be a offensive star when he'd be better being a catch and shoot 3 and D role player but he's delusional and thinks he's better than what he is. That is a liability in itself imo.

In no way shape or form is OG comparable to Gobert or Simmons, their games couldn't be any more different. OG is a legitimate offensive threat, and has consistently been one of our best scorer in the playoffs, where do people come up with this nonsense?

I've never compared them he said a defensive superstar is a big difference maker when they really aren't.. OG lead us in scoring when we were getting waxed by the 76ers is not really a big deal when we know he's not really consistent like that.. He's a 3 and D role player at best and him trying to be a go to scorer only hinders his game as you can see by the poor numbers in ISO's and drives to the basket. He wants out because he wants a bigger role when he really isn't that guy. He's an amazing role player and that's it anything else is just delusion and you know it as well... If he thinks he can be Luka out there I question his IQ.... He lacks the fluidity and is just clumsy. I'm not saying he's bad but if he doesn't stick to what he does best he's just stupid at this point. You are what you are...

Show me where OG claimed that he wants out? Or that he's playing beyond his 3+D role, What are you basing this off of? His usg rate, and FGA attempts, tell me he's exactly playing the 3 + D role everyone wants him to.

And also, you are moving goal posts, I am arguing this initial point

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams.

I ask you again, where is the similarity here? And how is OG a liability on offence? As I said, he's been a great 3+ D player in the regular season, and has consistently been one of our better scoring options when the games matter most, during the playoffs (and not just last year either).

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

In no way shape or form is OG comparable to Gobert or Simmons, their games couldn't be any more different. OG is a legitimate offensive threat, and has consistently been one of our best scorer in the playoffs, where do people come up with this nonsense?

I've never compared them he said a defensive superstar is a big difference maker when they really aren't.. OG lead us in scoring when we were getting waxed by the 76ers is not really a big deal when we know he's not really consistent like that.. He's a 3 and D role player at best and him trying to be a go to scorer only hinders his game as you can see by the poor numbers in ISO's and drives to the basket. He wants out because he wants a bigger role when he really isn't that guy. He's an amazing role player and that's it anything else is just delusion and you know it as well... If he thinks he can be Luka out there I question his IQ.... He lacks the fluidity and is just clumsy. I'm not saying he's bad but if he doesn't stick to what he does best he's just stupid at this point. You are what you are...

Show me where OG claimed that he wants out? Or that he's playing beyond his 3+D role, What are you basing this off of? His usg rate, and FGA attempts, tell me he's exactly playing the 3 + D role everyone wants him to.

And also, you are moving goal posts, I am arguing this initial point

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams.

I ask you again, where is the similarity here? And how is OG a liability on offence? As I said, he's been a great 3+ D player in the regular season, and has consistently been one of our better scoring options when the games matter most, during the playoffs (and not just last year either).

Multiple reports say he wants out (smoke there's fire).. obviously he isn't going to say it himself even though we can read his lips

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One of the main reasons he wants out is because he wants a bigger role aka he wants more ISO

He is a liability on O when he's doing his ISO trash no doubt. But when he's 3 and D he's solid. he's our top scorer in the playoffs sometimes because he's not the main focus of the defense. Imagine if OG was the go to guy in the playoffs? We got serious problems if that's the case.

ALSO, I'M NOT COMPARING THOSE GUYS TO OG. HE SAID DEFENSIVE SUPERSTARS ARE DIFFERENCE MAKERS. I JUST SAID THEY ARE NOT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OG.

[JPriest]

I'd want out if I were OG. being forced by management to listen to FVV as a leader, going up against centres all the time getting beat up and worn out, being expected to play a high endurance defense scheme expending all your energy only for the defense to give up wide open demoralizing 3s one after another, and being included in a core of players that's going nowhere, who only chase their own stats on offense and which appears to be encouraged by the coaching staff. The team needs a culture reset, much like Masai mentioned in 2017.

[TorontoBarneys]

I'd want out if I were OG. being forced by management to listen to FVV as a leader, going up against centres all the time getting beat up and worn out, being expected to play a high endurance defense scheme expending all your energy only for the defense to give up wide open demoralizing 3s one after another, and being included in a core of players that's going nowhere, who only chase their own stats on offense and which appears to be encouraged by the coaching staff. The team needs a culture reset, much like Masai mentioned in 2017.

Imagine downgrading from Lowry to this ball hog. It must be infuriating.

[OakleyDokely]

By my quick analysis, the only 2 Raptors who would start on all 30 teams are Siakam and OG.

[2019nbachamps]

People here need to read between the lines: Our management loves tall, athletic, versatile players. OG can also contribute on offense and is on a good value deal. This clearly tells us he has asked for a trade and management are looking to honour his request.

[Public_Enemy101]

I'd want out if I were OG. being forced by management to listen to FVV as a leader, going up against centres all the time getting beat up and worn out, being expected to play a high endurance defense scheme expending all your energy only for the defense to give up wide open demoralizing 3s one after another, and being included in a core of players that's going nowhere, who only chase their own stats on offense and which appears to be encouraged by the coaching staff. The team needs a culture reset, much like Masai mentioned in 2017.

I mean OG is by nature a Beta player. I don’t see him providing any leadership or showing any emotions on the floor when this should be his time to shine. Yes he’s great defensively but offensively he hasn’t really made that jump to stardom. This is likely his ceiling so I would just trade him and move on. Same with Fred if the opportunity presents itself.

[Johnny Bball]

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams. Scoring is way more important with a little bit of defense is all you need. OG is fumbling and bumbling out there trying to be a offensive star when he'd be better being a catch and shoot 3 and D role player but he's delusional and thinks he's better than what he is. That is a liability in itself imo.

In no way shape or form is OG comparable to Gobert or Simmons, their games couldn't be any more different. OG is a legitimate offensive threat, and has consistently been one of our best scorer in the playoffs, where do people come up with this nonsense?

I've never compared them he said a defensive superstar is a big difference maker when they really aren't.. OG lead us in scoring when we were getting waxed by the 76ers is not really a big deal when we know he's not really consistent like that.. He's a 3 and D role player at best and him trying to be a go to scorer only hinders his game as you can see by the poor numbers in ISO's and drives to the basket. He wants out because he wants a bigger role when he really isn't that guy. He's an amazing role player and that's it anything else is just delusion and you know it as well... If he thinks he can be Luka out there I question his IQ.... He lacks the fluidity and is just clumsy. I'm not saying he's bad but if he doesn't stick to what he does best he's just stupid at this point. You are what you are...

Role player? Delusion? The only one suffering a delusion is you. He’s going to be all defence.

[Johnny Bball]

I've never compared them he said a defensive superstar is a big difference maker when they really aren't.. OG lead us in scoring when we were getting waxed by the 76ers is not really a big deal when we know he's not really consistent like that.. He's a 3 and D role player at best and him trying to be a go to scorer only hinders his game as you can see by the poor numbers in ISO's and drives to the basket. He wants out because he wants a bigger role when he really isn't that guy. He's an amazing role player and that's it anything else is just delusion and you know it as well... If he thinks he can be Luka out there I question his IQ.... He lacks the fluidity and is just clumsy. I'm not saying he's bad but if he doesn't stick to what he does best he's just stupid at this point. You are what you are...

Show me where OG claimed that he wants out? Or that he's playing beyond his 3+D role, What are you basing this off of? His usg rate, and FGA attempts, tell me he's exactly playing the 3 + D role everyone wants him to.

And also, you are moving goal posts, I am arguing this initial point

It's good to play defense but there's a reason why "defensive superstars" like Gobert and Simmons are liabilities out on the floor for their respected teams.

I ask you again, where is the similarity here? And how is OG a liability on offence? As I said, he's been a great 3+ D player in the regular season, and has consistently been one of our better scoring options when the games matter most, during the playoffs (and not just last year either).

Multiple reports say he wants out (smoke there's fire).. obviously he isn't going to say it himself even though we can read his lips

Read on Twitter

READ IN-BETWEEN THE LINES

One of the main reasons he wants out is because he wants a bigger role aka he wants more ISO

He is a liability on O when he's doing his ISO trash no doubt. But when he's 3 and D he's solid. he's our top scorer in the playoffs sometimes because he's not the main focus of the defense. Imagine if OG was the go to guy in the playoffs? We got serious problems if that's the case.

ALSO, I'M NOT COMPARING THOSE GUYS TO OG. HE SAID DEFENSIVE SUPERSTARS ARE DIFFERENCE MAKERS. I JUST SAID THEY ARE NOT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OG.

So you insist he said trade for me and maybe not wait for me? He asked Halliburton, a PG to trade for him? Like that?

Listen yourselves. Holy **** this place is nuts!

[WuTang_CMB]

Still think its a long shot to trade OG cuz Masai is going to want a haul and I dont think we are going to get it.

But main goal should be to move off of Fred/Trent and then see where we stand

[JPriest]

I'd want out if I were OG. being forced by management to listen to FVV as a leader, going up against centres all the time getting beat up and worn out, being expected to play a high endurance defense scheme expending all your energy only for the defense to give up wide open demoralizing 3s one after another, and being included in a core of players that's going nowhere, who only chase their own stats on offense and which appears to be encouraged by the coaching staff. The team needs a culture reset, much like Masai mentioned in 2017.

I mean OG is by nature a Beta player. I don’t see him providing any leadership or showing any emotions on the floor when this should be his time to shine. Yes he’s great defensively but offensively he hasn’t really made that jump to stardom. This is likely his ceiling so I would just trade him and move on. Same with Fred if the opportunity presents itself.

yeah 100%. it just doesn't look like a good work environment. Nurse plays him heavy minutes and expects a lot out of his starters on defense with his schemes. with tired legs, a player's offense will certainly suffer and i wouldn't be surprised if OG's progressively worsening offensive numbers could be due to him burning out. Same could be said for Siakam. When there's the option of going to a better team that doesn't make you go up against centres, has better offensive schemes and not just iso and pound, and doesn't make you run around like a football midfielder on D when it's proven to be ineffective anyway, can't blame the man for taking it. I don't buy that it's merely OG wanting a bigger offensive role as he likely wouldn't get that on his new team.

[Johnny Bball]

cant believe were taking calls on og and not fred this could alter the future real bad

We are valuing "championship" experience and "leadership" too much.

The most telling tale is the one where Fred is happy his averages are back while P is pissed we're still losing.

Not sure how anyone reads that, or the fact Fred feel's that he's owed money based on past performances. Just GTFO Fred, leave us in FA for nothing and I wouldn't truly mind.

Well that takes Orlando out of the mix then I guess.