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2023 Draft Discussion Part III

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#721 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Apr 6, 2023 1:30 pm

If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#722 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 6, 2023 1:45 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.


He might be BPA and you take him. He's like an Isaiah Stewart that can play 3-5. Before anyone dismisses the comp, Stewart has developed a 3pt shot and at 21 is shooting as well as Pascal already on 4 attempts per game. Stewart's FT % is steadily creaping up to mid 70's.

Would have to dump Boucher and maybe it makes Precious a trade-piece that's retainable on a rookie contract.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#723 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Apr 6, 2023 2:00 pm

At that age it's more common for players to make leaps in development, and that's actually what NBA teams looking for steals should be honing in on. The ability to quickly learn, adapt, add skill is a good marker for someone's prognosis on transitioning to a major pro league. The best Greek player in the world was recognized by the NBA before his own country's NT or even their best domestic league.

If Coulibaly is getting lotto buzz for next season I think enough NBA types have liked what they've seen.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#724 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 6, 2023 2:14 pm

Part of me wants to get another 1st pick so I can take Leonard Miller with Sidy Cissoko.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#725 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Apr 6, 2023 2:22 pm

Psubs wrote:Part of me wants to get another 1st pick so I can take Leonard Miller with Sidy Cissoko.


Raptors RealGM bingo always has that "we need another 1st" box :lol:
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#726 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Apr 6, 2023 2:24 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.

It would be a dream scenario. After guys like Wemby, Scoot and Miller I think Jarace is in that next tier. I would be surprised to see him available when we pick.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#727 » by Dalek » Thu Apr 6, 2023 2:33 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.

It would be a dream scenario. After guys like Wemby, Scoot and Miller I think Jarace is in that next tier. I would be surprised to see him available when we pick.


Absolutely would be a top pick for any team. He was a super role player in Houston but he can be a wing with his passing and pull up shooting based on his IMG time. He was much more of a skilled player than what he showed in college. Reminds me more of Julius Randle coming to the NBA with defense.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#728 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Apr 6, 2023 3:45 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.


He might be BPA and you take him. He's like an Isaiah Stewart that can play 3-5. Before anyone dismisses the comp, Stewart has developed a 3pt shot and at 21 is shooting as well as Pascal already on 4 attempts per game. Stewart's FT % is steadily creaping up to mid 70's.

Would have to dump Boucher and maybe it makes Precious a trade-piece that's retainable on a rookie contract.


A lineup of Jarace, Pascal, Scottie, OG and a facilitator is interesting. Walker is a very good defender. Can shoot the three. No creativity though, the facilitator would have to be special.
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Post#729 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:35 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.


We already have a power forward being played as a shooting guard so I would say a definite no.
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Post#730 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:51 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.


He might be BPA and you take him. He's like an Isaiah Stewart that can play 3-5. Before anyone dismisses the comp, Stewart has developed a 3pt shot and at 21 is shooting as well as Pascal already on 4 attempts per game. Stewart's FT % is steadily creaping up to mid 70's.

Would have to dump Boucher and maybe it makes Precious a trade-piece that's retainable on a rookie contract.


It's just a funny comp because so many people compare players based on hairstyles and stuff :lol:

It's not horrible but Jarace definitely has a lot more in the offensive toolbox in terms of how he can score which allows you to project him shooting more volume than Stewart likely ever will. His midrange ability separates him from Stewart. Jarace can take guys off the bounce far away from the rim, he's a higher character guy and not a hothead, probably more defensive upside and overall polish.

I fell off a bit from Jarace after the final stretch of play during the reg season and the tournament but he's still a great prospect. Unfortunately he is just not what the Raptors need as we will have a logjam of PFs. We need to start thinking of Scottie as a PF and not some guy we can just dump anywhere on the court. If we wanted to dump Siakam and Achiuwa and play Jarace as a small ball 5 with some burn at the 3/4 as a backup for a couple years I would consider using the pick on him.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#731 » by DG88 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:51 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#732 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:08 pm

How the hell do these guys have Jarace 16 overall? What a joke NBADraftnet has become.



Does that look like 16 overall to anyone?

Masai is praying Precious will become 1/3rd of the player Jarace will be in the NBA.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#733 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:10 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:How the hell do these guys have Jarace 16 overall? What a joke NBADraftnet has become.



Does that look like 16 overall to anyone?


I don't even read their website anymore. Haven't taken it seriously for years.

The best was DraftExpress before Givony left. Now I mostly look at Tankathon or watch youtube. Their mocks are often much better than a lot of these websites.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#734 » by Dalek » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:13 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:If we get Jarace Walker with all these players moving up - is he a good fit? NBAdraft.net has us taking him.


He might be BPA and you take him. He's like an Isaiah Stewart that can play 3-5. Before anyone dismisses the comp, Stewart has developed a 3pt shot and at 21 is shooting as well as Pascal already on 4 attempts per game. Stewart's FT % is steadily creaping up to mid 70's.

Would have to dump Boucher and maybe it makes Precious a trade-piece that's retainable on a rookie contract.


It's just a funny comp because so many people compare players based on hairstyles and stuff :lol:

It's not horrible but Jarace definitely has a lot more in the offensive toolbox in terms of how he can score which allows you to project him shooting more volume than Stewart likely ever will. His midrange ability separates him from Stewart. Jarace can take guys off the bounce far away from the rim, he's a higher character guy and not a hothead, probably more defensive upside and overall polish.

I fell off a bit from Jarace after the final stretch of play during the reg season and the tournament but he's still a great prospect. Unfortunately he is just not what the Raptors need as we will have a logjam of PFs. We need to start thinking of Scottie as a PF and not some guy we can just dump anywhere on the court. If we wanted to dump Siakam and Achiuwa and play Jarace as a small ball 5 with some burn at the 3/4 as a backup for a couple years I would consider using the pick on him.


I agree with your take on Jarace but I would not let our forward logjam be any determining factor. We cannot and should not draft based on need. Take the best player available. There are so many possibilities to the offseason and this might be a chance at a future all-star.

Trading Siakam and Achuiwa could and should be on the table next offseason. Thinking about Jarace/Scottie/OG with a couple competent guards next season sounds intriguing.
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Post#735 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:22 pm

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He might be BPA and you take him. He's like an Isaiah Stewart that can play 3-5. Before anyone dismisses the comp, Stewart has developed a 3pt shot and at 21 is shooting as well as Pascal already on 4 attempts per game. Stewart's FT % is steadily creaping up to mid 70's.

Would have to dump Boucher and maybe it makes Precious a trade-piece that's retainable on a rookie contract.


It's just a funny comp because so many people compare players based on hairstyles and stuff :lol:

It's not horrible but Jarace definitely has a lot more in the offensive toolbox in terms of how he can score which allows you to project him shooting more volume than Stewart likely ever will. His midrange ability separates him from Stewart. Jarace can take guys off the bounce far away from the rim, he's a higher character guy and not a hothead, probably more defensive upside and overall polish.

I fell off a bit from Jarace after the final stretch of play during the reg season and the tournament but he's still a great prospect. Unfortunately he is just not what the Raptors need as we will have a logjam of PFs. We need to start thinking of Scottie as a PF and not some guy we can just dump anywhere on the court. If we wanted to dump Siakam and Achiuwa and play Jarace as a small ball 5 with some burn at the 3/4 as a backup for a couple years I would consider using the pick on him.


I agree with your take on Jarace but I would not let our forward logjam be any determining factor. We cannot and should not draft based on need. Take the best player available. There are so many possibilities to the offseason and this might be a chance at a future all-star.

Trading Siakam and Achuiwa could and should be on the table next offseason. Thinking about Jarace/Scottie/OG with a couple competent guards next season sounds intriguing.


If Pascal is gone and we acquire more picks for him so that we can then take a guard as well then I do it but Walker available at #16 has to be pure delusion right?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#736 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:28 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:How the hell do these guys have Jarace 16 overall? What a joke NBADraftnet has become.



Does that look like 16 overall to anyone?

Masai is praying Precious will become 1/3rd of the player Jarace will be in the NBA.


Their mocks have been garbage for years now
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#737 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:28 pm

I can see Jarace Walker being used in a Draymond like role, especially defensively.
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Post#738 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:32 pm

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Was thinking size comps and was thinking Mickael Pietrus, but Sidy is an inch taller. To me Sidy's floor is a bigger Mickael Pietrus with passing skills. Whoa, Pietrus was drafted #11 in 2003.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#739 » by Dalek » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:40 pm

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It's just a funny comp because so many people compare players based on hairstyles and stuff :lol:

It's not horrible but Jarace definitely has a lot more in the offensive toolbox in terms of how he can score which allows you to project him shooting more volume than Stewart likely ever will. His midrange ability separates him from Stewart. Jarace can take guys off the bounce far away from the rim, he's a higher character guy and not a hothead, probably more defensive upside and overall polish.

I fell off a bit from Jarace after the final stretch of play during the reg season and the tournament but he's still a great prospect. Unfortunately he is just not what the Raptors need as we will have a logjam of PFs. We need to start thinking of Scottie as a PF and not some guy we can just dump anywhere on the court. If we wanted to dump Siakam and Achiuwa and play Jarace as a small ball 5 with some burn at the 3/4 as a backup for a couple years I would consider using the pick on him.


I agree with your take on Jarace but I would not let our forward logjam be any determining factor. We cannot and should not draft based on need. Take the best player available. There are so many possibilities to the offseason and this might be a chance at a future all-star.

Trading Siakam and Achuiwa could and should be on the table next offseason. Thinking about Jarace/Scottie/OG with a couple competent guards next season sounds intriguing.


If Pascal is gone and we acquire more picks for him so that we can then take a guard as well then I do it but Walker available at #16 has to be pure delusion right?


That is pretty delusional that Jarace Walker would be available at 16. I was thinking that we were in the lottery and moved up into the top ten. Stranger things have happened.

I think we are currently tied with Minny for 13 and we have two more incoming losses to secure that position. Minny has games against SA and NO so it is fair to think we could come out of this at 13 assuming we lose the next two.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#740 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:43 pm

Some guys have to fall though. There are like 20 guys people are projecting to go in the lottery.

Then there's always a handful of guys who move up after measurements/combines.

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