2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[Yallbecrazy]

Prefer Nnaji over Koloko. Oh well.

I prefer Lively over both. I think he's Nic Claxton 2.0.

Claxton had/has some dribbling and passing skills coming out of college. Lively doesn't, but is ahead of where Claxton was defensively. Lively projects to be an elite, perennial DPOY player. He also projects to be a complete 0 on offense. I would like him if we don't re-sign Poeltl.

[Purple+Black]

Miller is efficient and he's active. That along with his physical profile means he'll be a player in this league. We just cant keep drafting big wings tho. We need guards in the worst way

I agree we need guards, but from what I have seen on this board and draft twitter, this is not the draft to get excited about guard prospects. Outside of Amen Thompson you have Anthony Black (real concerns about his fit as a weak shooter), and Cason Wallace (not a high level floor general or scorer). I'd be happy with all three, but they are all likely not in our range.

At 13, we have to just take the best player available and think about fit for sure. I will say Miller fits our archetype and is almost a guy you can see elements of OG and Scottie in just being bigger than both.

I do think we need to get a guard in the worst way and my preferred method is via trade. I hate to trade OG, but if he could get Toronto the guard of the future, we have to do it. Guys like Andrew Nembhard+Hield, Tyrese Maxey, Dyson Daniels all could be a centerpieces in an OG trade along with other assets. If you don't like trading OG, then Siakam is the next logical one, but you need a lot of salary from the other team to make things work. The Clippers might make sense with Siakam because they have a lot of big contracts and questions on whether it all works given the health of Kawhi and George.

Completely disagree here, the sheer volume of dynamic guards with upside this year makes it one of the better drafts to select a guard, especially in the late lottery/mid-late first.

Bufkin fits us like a glove, agree with Vecenie and would love it if that was our pick.

[ATLTimekeeper]

There's volume but not upside. If Bufkin seems like the best prospect, take him, but usually volume means pushing good talent down and in this case most of the talent ahead of us isn't guard talent, or at least good guard talent. Long-term is always the approach.

2013 these are the 'guards' that went ahead of Giannis: Oladipo, McLemore, KCP, Trey Burke, MCW, CJ McCollum, Shabazz Muhammed. You can even argue Dallas took Shane Larkin as they traded down. 10 years later it seems ridiculous. Hell, 3 years later it was case closed.

[Kevin Willis]

If we get this guy, might there be less of a need to get a SG and we can focus on a playmaker? Still there are not a lot of good playmakers in this draft.

Spoiler:

Utilizes his great length with a 7’1 wingspan to his advantage… Highly skilled player with great basketball IQ and a nose for scoring … Has proven to be extremely clutch, knocking down game winning shots (for instance his game winning half court buzzer beater against Purdue) and stepping up his level of play at the end of highly contested games … Great feel for the game … Shows a solid ability to create shots for himself both on pull up jumpers on the perimeter, as well as attacking the basket … Explosive finishing plays at the rim off two feet in the half court … Very good at converting baskets after contact, utilizing his strength advantage over the opposition … Has solid vision and passing ability … Excellent shooting form on catch and shoot jumpers, gets his feet set quickly and has a clean shooting motion … Three point shooting showed steady improvement to the point of hitting over 2 per game as a senior … Also shows the ability to utilize the step back and connect on three pointers … High level dexterity. Very good hand eye coordination, body control … Competitive player with a lot of determination to lead his team to wins … Smart decision maker and protects the ball well 19-1.6 A/TO ratio … Has worked extremely hard to become a high level shooter, 80% FT and 40% from 3 … Has excellent hands. which allows him to catch the ball and rebound the ball more easily … Plays with a lot of confidence … Jumps the passing lanes well surprising opponents with his 7-plus foot wingspan … Length and strength should allow him to guard players at both forward positions … Good rebounder for a wing at 5.9 over the past three seasons …

[OakleyDokely]

I think Clowney will be better than Lively. Just a more versatile player at both ends.

Purely drop defenders with no shooting or playmaking abilities become just role players or specialists.

[grant101]

If we get this guy, might there be less of a need to get a SG and we can focus on a playmaker? Still there are not a lot of good playmakers in this draft.

Spoiler:

Utilizes his great length with a 7’1 wingspan to his advantage… Highly skilled player with great basketball IQ and a nose for scoring … Has proven to be extremely clutch, knocking down game winning shots (for instance his game winning half court buzzer beater against Purdue) and stepping up his level of play at the end of highly contested games … Great feel for the game … Shows a solid ability to create shots for himself both on pull up jumpers on the perimeter, as well as attacking the basket … Explosive finishing plays at the rim off two feet in the half court … Very good at converting baskets after contact, utilizing his strength advantage over the opposition … Has solid vision and passing ability … Excellent shooting form on catch and shoot jumpers, gets his feet set quickly and has a clean shooting motion … Three point shooting showed steady improvement to the point of hitting over 2 per game as a senior … Also shows the ability to utilize the step back and connect on three pointers … High level dexterity. Very good hand eye coordination, body control … Competitive player with a lot of determination to lead his team to wins … Smart decision maker and protects the ball well 19-1.6 A/TO ratio … Has worked extremely hard to become a high level shooter, 80% FT and 40% from 3 … Has excellent hands. which allows him to catch the ball and rebound the ball more easily … Plays with a lot of confidence … Jumps the passing lanes well surprising opponents with his 7-plus foot wingspan … Length and strength should allow him to guard players at both forward positions … Good rebounder for a wing at 5.9 over the past three seasons …

Took me a beat to register who this was. I really want to see us give him a real shot. I don't want another Champagnie repeat. Both can play

[BoyzNTheHood]

If we get this guy, might there be less of a need to get a SG and we can focus on a playmaker? Still there are not a lot of good playmakers in this draft.

Spoiler:

Utilizes his great length with a 7’1 wingspan to his advantage… Highly skilled player with great basketball IQ and a nose for scoring … Has proven to be extremely clutch, knocking down game winning shots (for instance his game winning half court buzzer beater against Purdue) and stepping up his level of play at the end of highly contested games … Great feel for the game … Shows a solid ability to create shots for himself both on pull up jumpers on the perimeter, as well as attacking the basket … Explosive finishing plays at the rim off two feet in the half court … Very good at converting baskets after contact, utilizing his strength advantage over the opposition … Has solid vision and passing ability … Excellent shooting form on catch and shoot jumpers, gets his feet set quickly and has a clean shooting motion … Three point shooting showed steady improvement to the point of hitting over 2 per game as a senior … Also shows the ability to utilize the step back and connect on three pointers … High level dexterity. Very good hand eye coordination, body control … Competitive player with a lot of determination to lead his team to wins … Smart decision maker and protects the ball well 19-1.6 A/TO ratio … Has worked extremely hard to become a high level shooter, 80% FT and 40% from 3 … Has excellent hands. which allows him to catch the ball and rebound the ball more easily … Plays with a lot of confidence … Jumps the passing lanes well surprising opponents with his 7-plus foot wingspan … Length and strength should allow him to guard players at both forward positions … Good rebounder for a wing at 5.9 over the past three seasons …

Ron Harper Jr will get more burn soon enough. He progressed nicely in the G League this season and got some run with the big club here and there.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

If Harper Jr. pans out he's still just going to be a bench piece. Needs to shoot the 3 a lot more consistently and really show some consistent defensive gameplay. He did have a somewhat decent G-League campaign. Just a guy you keep around another year or two and discard if there aren't great enough strides taken.

[ItsDanger]

Harper is 23 already. If he hasn't progressed after a full year, cut him loose. New guys are available every year, so don't get attached. I think he's got a decent game but slow feet so he needs to be very efficient in everything he does. Don't really care to use this franchise as post-college training program. Come in ready to contribute.

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[ItsDanger]

Jimmy Butler has been incredible in these playoffs. Yet how many of these prospects can you say have a similar style? Not many.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Jimmy Butler has been incredible in these playoffs. Yet how many of these prospects can you say have a similar style? Not many.

Jimmy’s a dog. He came from nothing and earned everything he had. But when it comes to his game, people wouldn’t be fans of Marquette Jimmy on this board. There were people who didn’t want any part of him when it was rumoured that Kawhi wanted him as a teammate because he didn’t like lazy teammates in Minnesota. It’s actually ridiculous how soft people have gotten.

[Morse Code]

Jimmy Butler has been incredible in these playoffs. Yet how many of these prospects can you say have a similar style? Not many.

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[HumbleRen]

Jimmy's skills isn't what separates him. It's his mentality.

Any other player with Jimmy's skills but without Jimmy's mentality and heart is just another all star caliber player on a good night.

[Mark_83]

Jimmy Butler has been incredible in these playoffs. Yet how many of these prospects can you say have a similar style? Not many.

Sensabaugh is kind of like Butler without the defense. A strong, below the rim athlete, scorer, and difficult shot maker. On the plus side, his distance shooting is much better.

[Mark_83]

Jimmy's skills isn't what separates him. It's his mentality.

Any other player with Jimmy's skills but without Jimmy's mentality and heart is just another all star caliber player on a good night.

True. One could argue Jimmy's skills and tools are not even that impressive.

[Rodrickle]

I can't see someone like Miller who's had an incredible yet short trajectory, not stick in the NBA. He should definitely be in the mix as BPA at 13. Its just too bad he's not the best shooter when we need shooting. But still should be BPA

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