Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[TimeForChange]

RJ or IQ have to go. There is no way the Raps will be a tax team next year.

[Merit]

The only way to save this, is by trading RJ, we cannot have him and Ingram on the same team.

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How do you know? Have you seen them play together?

[TimeForChange]

What a terrible trade

You think so? All star player for 2 payers that we did not want and a last first round pick?

He’s a fine player but I don’t like the fit and it pushes the raps into a tax team.

[Tripod]

Funny how 1 year ago it was Masai is washed because he traded Siakam for such a bad return. Should have traded him earlier for Bufkin and Griffin some said.

Now he turned that bad return into a 22 point scorer, built up Ochai, and Walter for youth...plus grabbed Davion+Shead with the TPE from Siakam.

And people are still complaining that this deal is a fireable offense? Complete lunacy.

Yet people love the implausible and fictional movie Draft Day for the same reason and hate this.

Yeah how I view it is we traded Siakam and got the 3 1sts that could have turned out to he anything....all great...all busts...but more likely somewhere in between. Well now we sped things up and removed the bust factor.

One was a triple....a 22 point scorer...health concerns keep this from bring a homerun.
One was a double...a 3+D guy who leads the team in 3pt%.
One is still undetermined but certainly doesn't look like a bust. Looks like a good rotational piece for the future. So could be another double.
And I won't even include Davion+Shead into TPE

We essentially turned Siakam into 5 rotational pieces with 1 replacing his 22 points by himself. And those pieces can be used as assets later on in deals.

For a team that NEEDED depth badly, turning Siakam and OG into 8 possible rotational guys is crazy especially when 2 of that 8 are 20+ pt scorers.

But this doesn't count as rebuilding because we didn't tank for 3-4 years.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Ingram 2nd pick
Barrett 3rd pick
Barnes 4th pick.

Now we just need to Win the lottery for a 1st pick...

Trueee. Masai would still go Cooper? Then we gotta trade RJ for sure. But then we would be lengthy af. Cooper would have to play the 2 now. Or do we reroute Ingram then?

Or pick Harper and look to trade IQ.

[TimeForChange]

The only good thing to come from this trade is GD getting moved to the bench

[Sandman88]

The Masaiah is back

[Merit]

The only way to save this, is by trading RJ, we cannot have him and Ingram on the same team.

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How do you know? Have you seen them play together?

[Shakril]

I hate it. BI is a walking Injury and he isnt good enough to put us into contending status. I would have understood if it is zion but BI?

????

Zion is a generational talent, if you take a flyer on someone, than on a player of that calibre.

[Merit]

We should be dumping RJ Barrett now as soon as we can. Ingram is a much better version of him at least.

If you can afford them then keep both. RJ pressures the rim and Ingram can work from the perimeter. And now we have extra length on D.

RJ doesn't play defense. Neither does Ingram for that matter, but at least he gives you the offense.

RJ gotta go.

Meanwhile our defense was #1 in the league for the last little while

[dagger]

As long as this doesn't mess up our 2025 Draft, considering we moved Indianas pick, so narrowing our draft pool in 2026, we need to land someone this draft bad.

Yep this deals upside depends on the 2025 draft pick....We have to get very lucky on lotto night because the upside of Ingram/Barnes as your main players is play in fodder year after year.

When this team is healthy it;'s as good as Miami which is holding sixth seed right now, one game over .500. That's the East for you.

[agkagk]

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And this on a team that has Scottie, RJ, and Poetl in the lineup.

I’m pretty sure Ingram has played in New Orleans without shooters or a play makers most of his time there.

Defences can collapse on Ingram at the rim easily.

Just thinking about the back court players he’s worked with.

Lonzo, Alvarado, finally they traded for cj -he can shoot; but now they don’t have a point guard.

Val was there centre, and he’s flat footed.

Long story short; New Orleans PROBABLY made it easy on defences against Ingram.

[Gavin_TDThree]

JLew: "They've preached patience and staying the course, and this is anything but that. This feels like a very shortsighted desperate attempt to expedite the process"

Sums up how I feel about the trade. I just don't see the point.

Would have preferred to use our expiring to get picks or low-end prospects. Instead we give up 2 picks

[Sandman88]

So glad some of you are not the GM. This is the type of move you make 10/10 times.

Ingram is a great buy low candidate who, when healthy, has proven to be an unguardable 3 level scorer and a decent defender with tremendous length. He has not yet peaked imo and will be motivated with the raps.

[OakleyDokely]

I don't mind this unless it impacts the pick this year, which I doubt it will since Ingram is still out and they will likely take it easy with him this year.

The Raps weren't going to tank again next year (on purpose at least) so Ingram is basically the Raps big 2025 offseason FA acquisition.

There's not much downside here since they didn't give up much. A couple fillers and mid-late 1st isn't much for a 27 year old who is a legit scorer.

If they can come out of this season with Ingram and a top 5-6 pick, that's a pretty big W imo

[Woodman19]

Some of your are way too obsessed over draft picks, outside of our own picks this year and next the odds you are going to add a difference maker is extremely low. Conversely, if we do the 76ers decade long tank do you really think you can just flip a switch one year and have all those top picks gel and get players to want to come to a decade long losing organization? This is the best of both worlds if you ask me, we keep our lottery picks and add talent that would likely never get unless through trade. Its easy to tank, its very hard to build back up to a winner again and to win you need talent which Ingram has a lot of.

[Sandman88]

Half the people haven't seen this series, you can tell, otherwise no one would be making these silly comments. Ingram got murdered by Dort in the playoffs.

Oh no he got shutdown by one of the best perimeter defenders for 4 games.

Tatum got clamped by Wiggins, guess no one should approach him with a 10 ft pole as well.

Have you also noticed that he's been on a decline over the past few years? And also, the guy is made of glass

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Bet you said that bout curry in his first few years. Notice how everyone on the pelicans is always injured? Place is a shithole.

[brownbobcat]

So glad some of you are not the GM. This is the type of move you make 10/10 times.

Ingram is a great buy low candidate who, when healthy, has proven to be an unguardable 3 level scorer and a decent defender with tremendous length. He has not yet peaked imo and will be motivated with the raps.

Depends greatly on what they re-sign him at. Is it really "buying low" if you have to pay him $45M/yr?

[ArthurVandelay]

Yeah, I think one of the two will play the bulk of his minutes with the bench. Not sure either comes off the bench but one of them sits early first quarters next year, instead of Barnes.

Maybe.

I think Darko planted the seed last year when he talked about RJ's fav player being Manu.

RJ's biggest issue is defense imo. Playing the 6th man role will make that less of an issue and if he is having one of his "on" nights, he can end the game.

I’m not sure why people keep talking about Rj being a sixth man when we have gradey dick **** starting

Gradey isn't a finished player. He also doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

[mtcan]

JLew: "They've preached patience and staying the course, and this is anything but that. This feels like a very shortsighted desperate attempt to expedite the process"

Sums up how I feel about the trade. I just don't see the point.

Would have preferred to use our expiring to get picks or low-end prospects. Instead we give up 2 picks

I've said this for a long time already...Masai didn't trade Pascal and OG in order to bottom out for years and years as other teams have and are still doing.

A multiple year tank was NEVER the plan. They purposely traded for RJ and IQ when they could have had IQ and picks. They took one of the picks that came back in the Pascal trade to get Ochai (already 23 years old at the time of trade) and Kelly. Masai values actual players over mystery box draft picks.

We all should have expected that Masai would try to do what he did with Kawhi...obtain a star at his lowest trade value...that is precisely what he did here.