2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

[LoveMyRaps]

All he does is shoot, but he does it extremely well! At some point I’d promise him at the Portland pick if I’m Masai.

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

What kind of buffoonery is this?

VORP is affected by number of games played. Most of the guys you mentioned are role players or bench players. They’re not better than Banchero and Chet, even if their VORPs are higher.

Chet, Banchero, Jalen Williams are better than all the guys you mentioned outside of Wemby.

Kessler, Eason, Christian Braun, Mark Williams, Dyson Daniels, Duren have better VORP than half the guys you mentioned. These guys are all at or over 1 VORP whereas Podz, TJD, Ausar, Wallace are all under 1.

Other players from the 22 class like Ochai, Nikola match Podz at 0.5 VORP

IDK man pretty sure a ton of scouting reports had concerns about Holmgren's durability and these things factor into career outcomes. You're just flat out ignoring how the 2022 class has been greatly injury prone. You also completely ignored the fact that one class has 2 seasons under their belt and the other 3 and the larger expected jump between yr 2 - yr 3 progression than yr 3 - yr 4.

Then there's the fact that Wemby clears all these guys. The lumping of the 23 and 22 classes by Indeed didn't sit well with me and especially that 25 is better than either. People are going to be hella disappointed with the 'top' of the 25 class. Just a huge lack of athleticism, defense and shooting in so many of the highly touted guys.

yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

amen is incredibly close to producing like a low level all-star already at 22
lively is producing like an all-star at 20
wemby is goated

i don't know what amen or lively did to you they are clearly special players.

25 class is lacking juice if we're going by production markers and athleticism. the big hope for 25 was cmb but his shooting markers stink. kasparas stinks. bailey isn't even shooting 70% from stripe, harper hasn't improved his shooting and rutgers is awful. egor demin proved he is a wing being forcefed lead guard role and stinks. fears isn't ready. queen has had a ton of games doing nothing. traore showed the world he's not good. philon fell off cliff. even guys like mark sears regressed, payton sandfort regressed. it's a dumpster fire. if anything there might be something behind guys like danny wolf and condon. but overall it's a very disappointing class to me. but that's because i'm not high on harper, kasparas, demin, etc.. whereas a lot of people are thinking we're talking about the potential next james harden, luka doncic and rich man's giddey.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Two takeaways from Florida vs Oklahoma. First, Florida is really good! Second, Fears has no help.

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[mademan]

Fears would be amazing on OKC. Cant believe they might win the title AND get a top 10 pick. Chits unfair

[BoyzNTheHood]

Should go top 10

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[MEDIC]

Tre Johnson looks so much better than any of the wing prospects currently on our roster.

I would be more than happy if we drafted him. He is already so skilled & has so much untapped potential.

I would not be surprised if he ends up being a top 3 player from this draft.

[RoteSchroder]

IDK man pretty sure a ton of scouting reports had concerns about Holmgren's durability and these things factor into career outcomes. You're just flat out ignoring how the 2022 class has been greatly injury prone. You also completely ignored the fact that one class has 2 seasons under their belt and the other 3 and the larger expected jump between yr 2 - yr 3 progression than yr 3 - yr 4.

Then there's the fact that Wemby clears all these guys. The lumping of the 23 and 22 classes by Indeed didn't sit well with me and especially that 25 is better than either. People are going to be hella disappointed with the 'top' of the 25 class. Just a huge lack of athleticism, defense and shooting in so many of the highly touted guys.

yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

amen is incredibly close to producing like a low level all-star already at 22
lively is producing like an all-star at 20
wemby is goated

i don't know what amen or lively did to you they are clearly special players.

25 class is lacking juice if we're going by production markers and athleticism. the big hope for 25 was cmb but his shooting markers stink. kasparas stinks. bailey isn't even shooting 70% from stripe, harper hasn't improved his shooting and rutgers is awful. egor demin proved he is a wing being forcefed lead guard role and stinks. fears isn't ready. queen has had a ton of games doing nothing. traore showed the world he's not good. philon fell off cliff. even guys like mark sears regressed, payton sandfort regressed. it's a dumpster fire. if anything there might be something behind guys like danny wolf and condon. but overall it's a very disappointing class to me. but that's because i'm not high on harper, kasparas, demin, etc.. whereas a lot of people are thinking we're talking about the potential next james harden, luka doncic and rich man's giddey.

Amen is good, but also can't shoot, which hampers his upside. I did say he projected to be a long-term starter. I didn't mention Lively, but he's basically your prototypical athletic defensive big man. These archetypes tend to start declining after 30 (see Capela, DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Drummond). I mean..he's a perfectly fine player, but I don't see anything that special. Is he better than Kessler for instance?

There isn't a plethora of Harden's, Doncic's or rich man Giddey's in the 22 or 23 class either. Top players between these two classes are like Wemby, Chet, Banchero, Jalen Williams (Miller and Amen still need to take the next step).

The guys you mentioned are also freshmen. A lot of NBA players who became all-stars have had worse freshman seasons in college. It takes time for development. I think this is more like the 21 draft class, but deeper. Cade = a bit slow/unathletic. Scottie, offensively raw. Jalen Green, tunnel vision like Ace. Suggs, athletic defensive guard that's offensively raw like Edgecombe. Cam Thomas, shooter like Tre. Sengun, offensive talent with defensive concerns, like Wolf?



For 25, you have Cooper Flagg + the field. While there are several flawed players, many also have breakout potential. All you need is 1-2 players to hit: Harper, Kasparas, Demin, VJ, Ace, Tre, Wolf, Condon, Carter Bryant, Traore (if he develops his jumper), Queen, Sorber (Horford potential), CMB (6'7 Randle)

Then you have a bunch of solid role players. McNeeley, Kon, Essengue, Fleming, Raynaud, Penda, Tom Ivisic, Newell, Broome, Kalkbrenner, Jase Richardson, Boogie, Karaban, Bologjub, Yaxel Lendeborg, Joan Beringer, Sergio De Larrea, Freeman, etc.

Half of these guys becoming rotation players would already exceed 22/23 in terms of depth. Not even listing other question marks like Fears, Saraf, Gonzalez, Maluach, Labaron, Zikarsky, Zvon

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Tre Johnson looks so much better than any of the wing prospects currently on our roster.

I would be more than happy if we drafted him. He is already so skilled & has so much untapped potential.

I would not be surprised if he ends up being a top 3 player from this draft.

Someone mentioned Isaiah Evans. What makes Tre Johnson a much better prospect? If Evans wasn't on a stacked team, would he be putting up the same numbers on better %'s?

[PhilBlackson]

I like Isaiah Evans but we have total logjam at SG with RJ, JaKobe, Gradey & Ochai (hopefully he's used to trade into mid 1st or so for Rasheer).

With Davion traded away, I think MILES BYRD should be at the top of our board in the 2nd round.

A 6'7 PG who can shoot, play in a similar style to IQ offensively but is a helluva defender!! Watch how this kid defends. Masai has been looking for a taller PG before with LaMelo, Dyson etc. Obviously not the same players, had different strengths and I'll say obv LaMelo is by far the most naturally talented but nonetheless I think it's the most effective use of our 2nd round pick and if we do happen to take a C (or fluke into the top 3 for a SF) with our own pick, we have the potential to have a huge lineup to match up with the top teams in the East.

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Tre Johnson looks so much better than any of the wing prospects currently on our roster.

I would be more than happy if we drafted him. He is already so skilled & has so much untapped potential.

I would not be surprised if he ends up being a top 3 player from this draft.

Someone mentioned Isaiah Evans. What makes Tre Johnson a much better prospect? If Evans wasn't on a stacked team, would he be putting up the same numbers on better %'s?

Very different players. Johnsons offensive game is much more dynamic. Evans looks to be the better shooter from range & the better defender.

Evans looks awesome. Not sure he is a top 10 pick in this draft though.

[Los_29]

IDK man pretty sure a ton of scouting reports had concerns about Holmgren's durability and these things factor into career outcomes. You're just flat out ignoring how the 2022 class has been greatly injury prone. You also completely ignored the fact that one class has 2 seasons under their belt and the other 3 and the larger expected jump between yr 2 - yr 3 progression than yr 3 - yr 4.

Then there's the fact that Wemby clears all these guys. The lumping of the 23 and 22 classes by Indeed didn't sit well with me and especially that 25 is better than either. People are going to be hella disappointed with the 'top' of the 25 class. Just a huge lack of athleticism, defense and shooting in so many of the highly touted guys.

yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

amen is incredibly close to producing like a low level all-star already at 22
lively is producing like an all-star at 20
wemby is goated

i don't know what amen or lively did to you they are clearly special players.

25 class is lacking juice if we're going by production markers and athleticism. the big hope for 25 was cmb but his shooting markers stink. kasparas stinks. bailey isn't even shooting 70% from stripe, harper hasn't improved his shooting and rutgers is awful. egor demin proved he is a wing being forcefed lead guard role and stinks. fears isn't ready. queen has had a ton of games doing nothing. traore showed the world he's not good. philon fell off cliff. even guys like mark sears regressed, payton sandfort regressed. it's a dumpster fire. if anything there might be something behind guys like danny wolf and condon. but overall it's a very disappointing class to me. but that's because i'm not high on harper, kasparas, demin, etc.. whereas a lot of people are thinking we're talking about the potential next james harden, luka doncic and rich man's giddey.

This is wild. You have to look past the dunks assisted by a generational talent in Luka to realize that there is nothing special about Derrick Lively. He’s a 9/7 player who can’t shoot. Not only is he not an all-star caliber player now, but I’m confident in saying that he will never sniff an all-star game in his career. To say he’s producing like an all-star is insulting to the players nominated to the all-star game. lol.

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yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

amen is incredibly close to producing like a low level all-star already at 22
lively is producing like an all-star at 20
wemby is goated

i don't know what amen or lively did to you they are clearly special players.

25 class is lacking juice if we're going by production markers and athleticism. the big hope for 25 was cmb but his shooting markers stink. kasparas stinks. bailey isn't even shooting 70% from stripe, harper hasn't improved his shooting and rutgers is awful. egor demin proved he is a wing being forcefed lead guard role and stinks. fears isn't ready. queen has had a ton of games doing nothing. traore showed the world he's not good. philon fell off cliff. even guys like mark sears regressed, payton sandfort regressed. it's a dumpster fire. if anything there might be something behind guys like danny wolf and condon. but overall it's a very disappointing class to me. but that's because i'm not high on harper, kasparas, demin, etc.. whereas a lot of people are thinking we're talking about the potential next james harden, luka doncic and rich man's giddey.

This is wild. You have to look past the dunks assisted by a generational talent in Luka to realize that there is nothing special about Derrick Lively. He’s a 9/7 player who can’t shoot. Not only is he not an all-star caliber player now, but I’m confident in saying that he will never sniff an all-star game in his career. To say he’s producing like an all-star is insulting to the players nominated to the all-star game. lol.

I though most knew that he was going to be like Tyson Chandler.

Though he has an A/T over 2 so maybe Chandler with less blocks but elite passing for a C.

Perhaps Condon is a shorter Lively that can shoot 3's around average?

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Tre Johnson looks so much better than any of the wing prospects currently on our roster.

I would be more than happy if we drafted him. He is already so skilled & has so much untapped potential.

I would not be surprised if he ends up being a top 3 player from this draft.

Someone mentioned Isaiah Evans. What makes Tre Johnson a much better prospect? If Evans wasn't on a stacked team, would he be putting up the same numbers on better %'s?

Very different players. Johnsons offensive game is much more dynamic. Evans looks to be the better shooter from range & the better defender.

Evans looks awesome. Not sure he is a top 10 pick in this draft though.

He might get drafted just behind Jase Richardson around where Jared McCain was drafted (#16) or Jaylon Tyson (#20).

[RoteSchroder]

Concern with Tre is that there are a lot of one and done shots. The number of bricks in his last 32 point game is tough to watch

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[Spates]

It’s the opposite of what you’re saying. I wanna trade for more picks cause this draft is so good. I wouldn’t mind drafting 2-6 either, but I just want multiple shots in the first round.

I only knew Cooper and Ace (also heard of, but didn’t pay attention to Maluach, Tre and Essengue too) heading into this year and I didn’t even like Cooper. So this class has exceeded the hype for me.

Last year, I hated practically every player. There were only 6 players I liked (Castle, Edey, Clingan, McCain, Devin Carter, Mogbo@31). This year, there are around 20 players I want.

There's loads of offensive talent in this draft. Two-way talent seems scarce. I'm desperately hoping that we can nab one of them with few exceptions.

By the way, what do you think of Danny Wolf? I've yet to see enough to have an assured opinion. I've got a sneaky feeling he's my guy though. Dependent on defense, of course.

Two-way talent not exactly scarce, just that offensive is over looked and ranked at the top.
Thiero, Lendeborg, Miles Byrd, etc. would rank higher in the previous drafts.

That's more of what I meant. Lack of two-way in the mid to late lottery range by mock drafts. I really like Byrd and Lendeborg.

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There's loads of offensive talent in this draft. Two-way talent seems scarce. I'm desperately hoping that we can nab one of them with few exceptions.

By the way, what do you think of Danny Wolf? I've yet to see enough to have an assured opinion. I've got a sneaky feeling he's my guy though. Dependent on defense, of course.

Two-way talent not exactly scarce, just that offensive is over looked and ranked at the top.
Thiero, Lendeborg, Miles Byrd, etc. would rank higher in the previous drafts.

That's more of what I meant. Lack of two-way in the mid to late lottery range by mock drafts. I really like Byrd and Lendeborg.

2-Way Players
Khaman Maluach
Collin Murray-Boyles
Rasheer Fleming
Alex Condon
Jase Richardson
Thomas Sorber
Adou Thiero
JT Toppin

[Indeed]

There's loads of offensive talent in this draft. Two-way talent seems scarce. I'm desperately hoping that we can nab one of them with few exceptions.

By the way, what do you think of Danny Wolf? I've yet to see enough to have an assured opinion. I've got a sneaky feeling he's my guy though. Dependent on defense, of course.

Two-way talent not exactly scarce, just that offensive is over looked and ranked at the top.
Thiero, Lendeborg, Miles Byrd, etc. would rank higher in the previous drafts.

That's more of what I meant. Lack of two-way in the mid to late lottery range by mock drafts. I really like Byrd and Lendeborg.

They may draft higher. The number of players are more than last year or the year before, so there are more talent in the mid to late 2nd. Someone like Xiavian Lee would be drafted higher in some other draft

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Two-way talent not exactly scarce, just that offensive is over looked and ranked at the top.
Thiero, Lendeborg, Miles Byrd, etc. would rank higher in the previous drafts.

That's more of what I meant. Lack of two-way in the mid to late lottery range by mock drafts. I really like Byrd and Lendeborg.

They may draft higher. The number of players are more than last year or the year before, so there are more talent in the mid to late 2nd. Someone like Xiavian Lee would be drafted higher in some other draft

I think he goes undrafted. He doesn't have any 1 elite skill. He might not be any better than Tyler Kolek, who can't get any PT even though he can still shoot. Braden Smith should be drafted, not Lee. Smith should be drafted early 2nd round like Kolek and Jalen Brunson as a backup PG.

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yeah, but if we're going purely based off of VORP, the 22 class doesn't seem to lose out to the players you mentioned

The entire league is getting more injury prone. I suspect it'll be worse for players as they age. Wemby has had a right knee contusion, right hip tightness, bone contusion in his right shoulder, stress fracture in fibula, lower back soreness, and a finger fracture. Most concerning probably being the stress fracture. Historically, players his height also deal with lots of injuries. He's skinny/light, so that'll probably help with the stress on his body.

Between the 22, 23, and 25 class..the 23 class doesn't seem all that special outside of Wemby. Podz, Ausar, Cason, TJD have a good chance of being career bench players. Amen and Miller could be long-term starters. There's still room to grow for Coulibaly and Leonard Miller. Nick Smith Jr among other players have also shown flashes. However, the players I mentioned from the 22 class have already established themselves to be capable starters.

In terms of the 25 class, I think it has stronger depth than either classes and there are a few potential break out candidates not in the consensus top 6.

amen is incredibly close to producing like a low level all-star already at 22
lively is producing like an all-star at 20
wemby is goated

i don't know what amen or lively did to you they are clearly special players.

25 class is lacking juice if we're going by production markers and athleticism. the big hope for 25 was cmb but his shooting markers stink. kasparas stinks. bailey isn't even shooting 70% from stripe, harper hasn't improved his shooting and rutgers is awful. egor demin proved he is a wing being forcefed lead guard role and stinks. fears isn't ready. queen has had a ton of games doing nothing. traore showed the world he's not good. philon fell off cliff. even guys like mark sears regressed, payton sandfort regressed. it's a dumpster fire. if anything there might be something behind guys like danny wolf and condon. but overall it's a very disappointing class to me. but that's because i'm not high on harper, kasparas, demin, etc.. whereas a lot of people are thinking we're talking about the potential next james harden, luka doncic and rich man's giddey.

This is wild. You have to look past the dunks assisted by a generational talent in Luka to realize that there is nothing special about Derrick Lively. He’s a 9/7 player who can’t shoot. Not only is he not an all-star caliber player now, but I’m confident in saying that he will never sniff an all-star game in his career. To say he’s producing like an all-star is insulting to the players nominated to the all-star game. lol.

I don't really care who does and who doesn't sniff an all-star game based on fan votes and public perception, Lively undoubtedly is on a trajectory to become one of the top 24 players in the league given his production and competency at his age. Whether or not you agree or disagree is irrelevant, the data not only shows significant jumps in production from yr 1 to yr 2 but yr 2 production that meets the treshhold of an all-star caliber player. The only thing holding him back from a volume standpoint is an extra 6 minutes a night on the court. This is a sport in which casual fans don't give much weight to defense or efficiency when determining the top players in the league all that matters to them is is PPG and flashiness and the NBA rolls with it because that's what sells tickets and jerseys, not what leads to team wins.