2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

[ArthurVandelay]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

Only problem is they are going to be selected 3 through 8

[Yallbecrazy]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

Only problem is they are going to be selected 3 through 8

I assume Flagg, Harper, and Edgecombe are on that list too.

[XTC]

That workout list is frightening. Are we unable to get any lottery guys in for a workout?

Most teams are working out guys they never really got a good look at during the season. Teams have a grasp of what each player brings to the table, and an open gym workout isnt going to cancel out their full season body of work.

For reference in 2024 the only first rounders they worked out where:

Edey, Ware, Kolek, and Tyson... the team didn't even bother working out JKW, or Shead.

[Brinbe]

They had Traore/Jase in too on Monday. So they're doing their due diligence if they do decide to trade down.

[OakleyDokely]

From 2010-2019, the average number of players per draft who've made at least one all-star game is 5. Who will the 5 all-stars from this class be?

[WuTang_OG]

yeah it seems like the report of them wanting to trade back is true to pick up a centre + another asset

[dohboy_24]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

Only problem is they are going to be selected 3 through 8

I assume Flagg, Harper, and Edgecombe are on that list too.

Translation: We have 5 prospects on our board who we believe will be available at the #9 pick.

As such, those who are likely to be selected ahead of our pick (i.e. Cooper Flagg, Dylan Harper, VJ Edgecombe, Kon Knueppel, Tre Johnson, Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears) are probably not among the list of 5 prospects we've settled on.

[dohboy_24]

yeah it seems like the report of them wanting to trade back is true to pick up a centre + another asset

LOL, there are seem to be rumors like this during every draft.

More often than not, they don't amount to anything.

[WuTang_OG]

yeah it seems like the report of them wanting to trade back is true to pick up a centre + another asset

LOL, there are seem to be rumors like this during every draft.

More often than not, they don't amount to anything.

very true.

[Dalek]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

My 5 favorites based on Raptors fit/intel/BPA:

1. Khaman Maluach - obvious upside and need at 9 - perfect match, plus the tie into African ball probably gives Toronto the most connection to the player.
2. Kon Kneuppel - If KM is gone KK is BPA at 9 and despite overlap with other guards he is a special talent with shooting, playmaking and IQ.
3. Derik Queen - has obvious talent and drive to win, WME client which is the same agency as Barnes, Dick, and RJ.
4. Colin Murray-Boyles - hardest worker, DPOY-type, unselfish team guy ready to play the OG role.
5. Hugo Gonzalez - well-scouted, high IQ defensive wing that offers slashing. Lotto level athlete with personality and drive to win.

Edit/ the biggest shocker would be Ace Bailey failing to 9. He'd supersede all others if he was there, but it just doesn't seem realistic.

The only factor that I learned recently is that Bailey's weird draft process may be due in part to his agent which is acting independently - he is Shariff Cooper's dad, who has no other clients and doesn't understand what he's doing. He could have torpedoed Bailey's stock by declining workouts and making Ace seem a lot like Cam Whitmore during his draft cycle.

[Zeno]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

My 5 favorites based on Raptors fit/intel/BPA:

1. Khaman Maluach - obvious upside and need at 9 - perfect match, plus the tie into African ball probably gives Toronto the most connection to the player.
2. Kon Kneuppel - If KM is gone KK is BPA at 9 and despite overlap with other guards he is a special talent with shooting, playmaking and IQ.
3. Derik Queen - has obvious talent and drive to win, WME client which is the same agency as Barnes, Dick, and RJ.
4. Colin Murray-Boyles - hardest worker, DPOY-type, unselfish team guy ready to play the OG role.
5. Hugo Gonzalez - well-scouted, high IQ defensive wing that offers slashing. Lotto level athlete with personality and drive to win.

Edit/ the biggest shocker would be Ace Bailey failing to 9. He'd supersede all others if he was there, but it just doesn't seem realistic.

The only factor that I learned recently is that Bailey's weird draft process may be due in part to his agent which is acting independently - he is Shariff Cooper's dad, who has no other clients and doesn't understand what he's doing. He could have torpedoed Bailey's stock by declining workouts and making Ace seem a lot like Cam Whitmore during his draft cycle.

I fairly certain that Kon is gone by 9. In fact I have a feeling he goes top 4.

[WuTang_OG]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

[ItsDanger]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

What about shot creation talent? No wonder this team stinks in the half court offense.

[PushDaRock]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

What about shot creation talent? No wonder this team stinks in the half court offense.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they got Ingram. He sucks at shot creation.

[CoinTossRoss31]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

Watch we will take CMB

[OakleyDokely]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

What about shot creation talent? No wonder this team stinks in the half court offense.

Yeah, I'm not sure why they got Ingram. He sucks at shot creation.

I wonder if Cam Whitmore has a brother.

[Indeed]

Is that really the case, or is that just a Raptor board thing to tell ourselves and inject a little copium. I'm off the copium.

I mean if we are trying to trade the pick, wouldn't this strategey tell everyone that we are trying to get rid of it? Where's the utility in sharing only underwhelming names. I admit, maybe there's a chance to pull a fast one and sccop up a Bruno under everyone's nose, but I'd feel better if we had a look at players who are widely believed to be picked around our spot.

No. That is the case. I imagine in the next week some more workouts will become known, like Gradey in for 2 workouts a couple of drafts ago.

You don't remember the daily media interviews in years past? Or the daily press releases of who is coming in? They've gone cloak and dagger. Sucks for die hard fans but the secrecy is probably better for the team. Teams speculating what you're doing versus knowing what you're doing is a good thing imo.

Maybe they've gone cloak and dagger because they can't get the agents to work their players out here. We're in every rumour. The Front Office does leak. Like all they do it strategically and have their guys. Anything from Marc Stein, any thing that gets mentioned by Grange or Doug, is likely being put out there by the front office. What we didn't do was feed Woj our picks.....

Clearly you are new. Every year they don't leak.
Not even Grange has any inside news when clearly he said we are drafting Suggs instead of Barnes few years back.

[OakleyDokely]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

Some of the guys who weren't 5 star recruits and didn't start off with as much preseason hype:

4 Star:
Carter Bryant
Kasparas Jakucionis
Jase Richardson
Thomas Sorber
Jeremiah Fears

Unranked:
Cedric Coward
Danny Wolf
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Walter Clayton Jr.
Chaz Lanier

[Dalek]

Bobby has said they've narrowed it down to 5 prospects for the #9 pick.

My 5 favorites based on Raptors fit/intel/BPA:

1. Khaman Maluach - obvious upside and need at 9 - perfect match, plus the tie into African ball probably gives Toronto the most connection to the player.
2. Kon Kneuppel - If KM is gone KK is BPA at 9 and despite overlap with other guards he is a special talent with shooting, playmaking and IQ.
3. Derik Queen - has obvious talent and drive to win, WME client which is the same agency as Barnes, Dick, and RJ.
4. Colin Murray-Boyles - hardest worker, DPOY-type, unselfish team guy ready to play the OG role.
5. Hugo Gonzalez - well-scouted, high IQ defensive wing that offers slashing. Lotto level athlete with personality and drive to win.

Edit/ the biggest shocker would be Ace Bailey failing to 9. He'd supersede all others if he was there, but it just doesn't seem realistic.

The only factor that I learned recently is that Bailey's weird draft process may be due in part to his agent which is acting independently - he is Shariff Cooper's dad, who has no other clients and doesn't understand what he's doing. He could have torpedoed Bailey's stock by declining workouts and making Ace seem a lot like Cam Whitmore during his draft cycle.

I fairly certain that Kon is gone by 9. In fact I have a feeling he goes top 4.

I think so too, but guys drop every year that don't make sense, and I think Kon being a mediocre athlete might be a reason why. He seems to a pretty big range on mocks from what I can tell.

[Yallbecrazy]

bobby on draft structure

makes sense on his remarks re: what they look for ... guys with chips on their shoulders, not really given much when they were young. we've focused on that throughout and its been evident . shead, fred etc

3 things they look for:

1) incredible hard workers
2) incredible high character
3) mental toughness

https://youtu.be/RW_9xPVg1EY?t=1111

Watch we will take CMB

I assume we will if he falls. Think most mocks are really wrong and an example of group think. Each team has their own independent thoughts.