2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[dhackett1565]

July 7th was when he was traded. The exception won't expire til then, or possibly 6 days after the lockout resumes depending on the makeup of the new CBA.

Actually, it was July 10th. So, 9 days after the end of the lockout. But you are correct otherwise.

[timdunkit]

TPE to GSW for Biedrins + 1st rd. pick

Warriors get max space for Nene, D. Jordan, whomever.

Raptors get a C who I believe would be quite an interesting fit in Casey's defensive system. Plus, he's a guy who can give you 22-24 mins of excellent energy, before we bring in Eddy D and Amir. He's a team guy who badly needs a change of scenery imo. We'd have roughly 57 in salary commits, so not too bad if we assume that the harder cap will be between 55-62 mil. Oh, and we get a 1st rd'r (likely in 2013 - they've already dealt their pick for 2012) back in return. And even if we can't get a pick for Biedrins, it sure as heck beats Brendan Haywood and his 4 yrs/33 mil left on his deal. Or, shelling out dough for Dalembert. Remember, Biedrins is only 25.

I think he'd be an interesting buy low (unless you feel there is a better use for our cap space) investment, who if he returns back to his old-self, can really be a nice trade chip for us, as he only has 3 yrs left on his deal at a flat rate of 9 M/yr. Yes, he looks like an albatross now, but maybe he excels here as the starting C.

Its an interesting idea but unless we are sending out a big, I wouldn't do it ... Besides, I can't see owner paying 27 million for a first round pick.

[Laowai]

With a new CBA the TPE will be ancient history and even if it was available you will be using hard cap money.
Rather get someone like Aaron Gray at minimum.

[DarrylFlicking]

With a new CBA the TPE will be ancient history and even if it was available you will be using hard cap money.
Rather get someone like Aaron Gray at minimum.

Did you watch the Lakers/Hornets series?
Aaron Gray is gettin' paid. At least 3 years (team option) 9 million.

[Laowai]

With a new CBA the TPE will be ancient history and even if it was available you will be using hard cap money.
Rather get someone like Aaron Gray at minimum.

Did you watch the Lakers/Hornets series?
Aaron Gray is gettin' paid. At least 3 years (team option) 9 million.

Aaron Gray opted out yes and 3years 9 million is about right.
His numbers are very good I agree.

[sweetcity]

Raps Receive

Ridnour Daniel Gibson + Cleveland's #1 in 2012

Cleveland Receives

Mike Beasley Ed Davis + Lottery Protected first from Toronto

Minnesota Receives

Jose Calderon +2.7 million Trade Exception


Raps 2012 - 2016 NBA Champions

Bayless - Ridnour
DeRozen - Gibson
H Barnes - J Johnson -
Anthony Davis / Sullinger- Amir Johnson
Jonas V - Bargnani

[N1QUE24]

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[Laowai]

Raps Receive

Ridnour Daniel Gibson + Cleveland's #1 in 2012

Cleveland Receives

Mike Beasley Ed Davis + Lottery Protected first from Toronto

Minnesota Receives

Jose Calderon +2.7 million Trade Exception


Raps 2012 - 2016 NBA Champions

Bayless - Ridnour
DeRozen - Gibson
H Barnes - J Johnson -
Anthony Davis / Sullinger- Amir Johnson
Jonas V - Bargnani

Why would Cleveland add 2 more PFs.
Not going to happen sorry.

[WhatsaTDot]

Raps Receive

Ridnour Daniel Gibson + Cleveland's #1 in 2012

Cleveland Receives

Mike Beasley Ed Davis + Lottery Protected first from Toronto

Minnesota Receives

Jose Calderon +2.7 million Trade Exception


Raps 2012 - 2016 NBA Champions

Bayless - Ridnour
DeRozen - Gibson
H Barnes - J Johnson -
Anthony Davis / Sullinger- Amir Johnson
Jonas V - Bargnani

Can we trade Bayless for CP3 and Amir for D12 while we're at it? Then move the franchise to Newfoundland?

I want to dream too.

[NashyMing]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6l63tmz

Basically two trades
1) Calderon + Kleiza for Beasley + Brad Miller + Luke Ridnour
- TWolves get a spanish PG to mentor Ricky Rubio and they are familiar with each other already. Can start Derrick Williams and use Kleiza as a solid veteran backup SF/PF. Get rid of Brad Miller's contract
- Raptors get an almost equally solid PG at half the price in Luke Ridnour to replace Calderon. Beasley would the high risk high reward. If his head is right, he can be kept for the cheap. If his head is not right, it's only a 1 year deal. Another option is to trade him in the middle of the season to playoff team for assets in return. Brad Miller can be the stop gap C and a mentor to Valanciunas next season.

2) Amir Johnson for Kosta Koufos + Kenneth Faried
- Nuggets get a real PF to pair with Nene. Still young with a few years of exp and can develop into a solid starter.
- Raptors gets a solid center prospect in Koufos (still 22 years old with 3 years in NBA) and a high energy role player in Faried who can develop into a good defender for SF/PF. Also solves the log jam at PF and save some money.

[Yuri Vaultin]

and a high energy role player in Faried who can develop into a good defender for SF/PF. Also solves the log jam at PF and save some money.

Faried rebounds... that is it. His defence is terrible. Basically he'll be lucky to carve out a Reggie Evans type of career.

[Hassassin]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6l63tmz

Basically two trades
1) Calderon + Kleiza for Beasley + Brad Miller + Luke Ridnour
- TWolves get a spanish PG to mentor Ricky Rubio and they are familiar with each other already. Can start Derrick Williams and use Kleiza as a solid veteran backup SF/PF. Get rid of Brad Miller's contract
- Raptors get an almost equally solid PG at half the price in Luke Ridnour to replace Calderon. Beasley would the high risk high reward. If his head is right, he can be kept for the cheap. If his head is not right, it's only a 1 year deal. Another option is to trade him in the middle of the season to playoff team for assets in return. Brad Miller can be the stop gap C and a mentor to Valanciunas next season.

2) Amir Johnson for Kosta Koufos + Kenneth Faried
- Nuggets get a real PF to pair with Nene. Still young with a few years of exp and can develop into a solid starter.
- Raptors gets a solid center prospect in Koufos (still 22 years old with 3 years in NBA) and a high energy role player in Faried who can develop into a good defender for SF/PF. Also solves the log jam at PF and save some money.

Absolutely not. You don't solve the log jam at power forward by trading your most productive player. You move Bargnani.

[Komodo]

Amir for Faried and Koufos? That's absolutely awful. And then you want to roll with a Beasley/Bargnani/Miller frontcourt? LOL.

What about Bargnani and Alabi for Bass, Duhon and Orton?

[Hendrix]

What would it take to get CP3 onto the Raptors? Would it take as much as Demar, Bargs, and our next years first? less?

I think with Ed, Amir, and Val's offensive strengths we really need a master of the P+R at PG, and a guy that can handle the ball a lot and create shots. I'de guess that CP3, Ed, Amir, and Val alone could average 60ppg on 60-65ts% between the 4 of them without even factoring in our wing players. That all but gaurantees a top 5 offense in the league. Plus your rebounding, and defense would probably be in pretty good shape with those 4 as well

[Silk Wilkes]

What would it take to get CP3 onto the Raptors? Would it take as much as Demar, Bargs, and our next years first? less?

I think with Ed, Amir, and Val's offensive strengths we really need a master of the P+R at PG, and a guy that can handle the ball a lot and create shots. I'de guess that CP3, Ed, Amir, and Val alone could average 60ppg on 60-65ts% between the 4 of them without even factoring in our wing players. That all but gaurantees a top 5 offense in the league. Plus your rebounding, and defense would probably be in pretty good shape with those 4 as well

It would take more than that in my opinion. We would probably need someone to sleep creep him and film it for blackmail. Otherwise I don't see Chris Paul as a Raptor.

[WhatsaTDot]

No point in the Raptors even considering renting Chris Paul. Mortgaging 4-5 development years for one year of finishing 7th is not a good strategy.

[Laowai]

No point in the Raptors even considering renting Chris Paul. Mortgaging 4-5 development years for one year of finishing 7th is not a good strategy.

Agree 100% we are in a rebuild and really shouldn't be looking at a Star. Lets draft well again in 2012 and maybe trade off Davis, Amir or Bargs for a 2nd lottery pick. How ever you want to cut it getting rid of one will not hurt our team in anyway.

[Hendrix]

No point in the Raptors even considering renting Chris Paul. Mortgaging 4-5 development years for one year of finishing 7th is not a good strategy.

Well I suppose that depends on what you have to give up to get him, and if you think we could put together a good enough team to keep him.

I'm not sure we should be scared to get good players because they might leave. Look at NJN's going after D Will.

[Hendrix]

Agree 100% we are in a rebuild and really shouldn't be looking at a Star.

Why on earth would a rebuilding team not want a star?

[Relentless88]

Agree 100% we are in a rebuild and really shouldn't be looking at a Star.

Why on earth would a rebuilding team not want a star?

I don't think that's what he meant.

Also CP3 isn't a star...he's a superstar. So he has superstar value. First of all there is no way he agrees to come to Toronto. To play with who, Bargnani? Paul is going to turn 26 soon and will want to go to a team that's on the verge of contending. We were the 3rd worst team in the league last year.

Secondly, we wouldn't just be adding Paul to this team. We'd have to give up something like DeRozan, Davis, 2012 First, and maybe more. So Paul comes into a team without those pieces. A team worse than his current Hornets.

Also if Paul doesn't extend, we'd essentially be giving up 3 (at least) good young pieces for a 1 year rental.

The Nets went for Deron because they were desperate. They had big plans for 2010 with so much cap space they had saved up. That all flopped when the super trio chose South Beach. Then the Nets failed to bring in Melo.

The Deron deal was made out of desperation, but it was a good move if they can re-sign him. The Nets have/had a lot more assets than us as well.

CP3 is a great player, but it makes zero sense for the Raptors to try and acquire him.