Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[TravisScott55]

There was another video of him today splashing 3s

[Tacoma]

But Scottie actually takes them in real games as well.

Exactly lol people are too quick wanting to be ''that'' guy.

Nah, what I mean is that practicing in a gym in 1-1 with no pressure does not necessarily translate to being able to do it in a game. Not saying that Scottie can't do it - he can - but people are prepared to anoint him as MVP based on a few videos of him playing at half speed in a practice gym. It's different.

If practice translated to in-game results, DeRozan would have been a superstar...

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[brownbobcat]

If practice translated to in-game results, DeRozan would have been a superstar...

Practice videos mean nothing, actual practice means a lot. I think pretty much everyone would agree DeRozan maxed out his talent

[And1Skip]

Exactly lol people are too quick wanting to be ''that'' guy.

Nah, what I mean is that practicing in a gym in 1-1 with no pressure does not necessarily translate to being able to do it in a game. Not saying that Scottie can't do it - he can - but people are prepared to anoint him as MVP based on a few videos of him playing at half speed in a practice gym. It's different.

I get that we gotta be realistic with our expectations going in year 2 but just the improvement he showed in his rookie year alone, it's hard not to get excited. And yes, people calling him future MVP should tone it down a little bit but don't you ever compare Scottie to Ben Simmons ever again

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

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[Reeko]

Precious gotta invest in some Windex.

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Precious gotta invest in some Windex.

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[Vampirate]

Exactly lol people are too quick wanting to be ''that'' guy.

Nah, what I mean is that practicing in a gym in 1-1 with no pressure does not necessarily translate to being able to do it in a game. Not saying that Scottie can't do it - he can - but people are prepared to anoint him as MVP based on a few videos of him playing at half speed in a practice gym. It's different.

I get that we gotta be realistic with our expectations going in year 2 but just the improvement he showed in his rookie year alone, it's hard not to get excited. And yes, people calling him future MVP should tone it down a little bit but don't you ever compare Scottie to Ben Simmons ever again

That comparison died like 2-3 weeks into the season.

The one thing we can say is Barnes isn't afraid to fail thus will shoot the 3.

Ben is afraid to fail thus no matter how much he practises the 3, he'll never improve because he won't have enough in game reps.

Also let's not forget Barnes FT% actually improved in the playoffs. I don't think we'll see a hack a Barnes strategy.

[Madhouse]

Nah, what I mean is that practicing in a gym in 1-1 with no pressure does not necessarily translate to being able to do it in a game. Not saying that Scottie can't do it - he can - but people are prepared to anoint him as MVP based on a few videos of him playing at half speed in a practice gym. It's different.

I get that we gotta be realistic with our expectations going in year 2 but just the improvement he showed in his rookie year alone, it's hard not to get excited. And yes, people calling him future MVP should tone it down a little bit but don't you ever compare Scottie to Ben Simmons ever again

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

[HumbleRen]

I get that we gotta be realistic with our expectations going in year 2 but just the improvement he showed in his rookie year alone, it's hard not to get excited. And yes, people calling him future MVP should tone it down a little bit but don't you ever compare Scottie to Ben Simmons ever again

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

[ConSarnit]

If practice translated to in-game results, DeRozan would have been a superstar...

Practice videos mean nothing, actual practice means a lot. I think pretty much everyone would agree DeRozan maxed out his talent

That 64% number DDR posted is likely not a great number for practice. There are a bunch of anecdotal stories (from broadcasts, videos, teammates) quoting the top guys (Curry, Mike Miller, Peja, etc) all making 90%+ in practice 3’s. There’s a video of Curry making 77 in a row. Jason Terry said he’s made 97/100 and estimates good NBA shooters will hit 90/100.

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[Los_29]

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

Tatum never averaged 18+ points in a season until his 3rd year. He averaged 14ppg in his rookie season and 16ppg in his 2nd season. Tatum actually had a lot of talent on that Boston team. Brown, Smart, Rozier, Horford and Irving. In the playoffs, Kyrie didn't play and it was an offense by committee. Tatum and Brown averaged 18ppg, Rozier averaged 16.5ppg and Horford averaged 15.7ppg. Even guys like Morris averaged 12.5ppg and Smart averaged 10ppg. Tatum was 3rd on the team in FGA and Brown had the highest usage not Tatum. I don't think you can really say he was the primary option.

I think it's much easier to project players like Lamelo and Ja because they are guards and people understand their limitations. You know that Ja is a great, exciting player but he's probably not the ideal player to build around because of his playing style, his size and his inability to defend. Lamelo is very similar in that he just simply cannot defend.

It's hard to project Scottie because if everything hits he's arguably a top 5 player in this league. If everything doesn't hit then he's still got such a high floor in this league that he will likely still be an all-star caliber type player. His size, athleticism, feel for the game and IQ is what makes his upside enormous.

[Madhouse]

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He won the rookie of the year as the 5th option that's actually more difficult than others.

Tatum did not show more during the season.

Playoffs yes but it would have been the same with Barnes as we saw end of season when he averaged like 18, he just got injured.

[Madhouse]

I agree expectations always should be tempered but he did win the ROY in what was arguably considered the best draft class since 2003. Winning ROY should come with expectations. If you look at the list of past ROY winners in the past say 10 years (remove the outliers of extremely bad draft classes in Brogdon and MCW), and then think of what those guys did shortly after their ROY season, then you should have expectations of greatness. Basically, will Scottie in Year 2/3 show similar improvements to Ball/Morant/Doncic/Towns/Lillard/Irving? or will he be more inline with Simmons/Wiggins? Based on his personality, drive, work ethic - I would bet Scottie will be more like the former.

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He can be one of the best players in the league, that's seems like a pretty simple projection to me.

[HumbleRen]

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He can be one of the best players in the league, that's seems like a pretty simple projection to me.

I mean that’s the goal but I’m personally not entertaining those discussions until he shows a semblance of perimeter skills.

[Los_29]

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He can be one of the best players in the league, that's seems like a pretty simple projection to me.

I mean that’s the goal but I’m personally not entertaining those discussions until he shows a semblance of perimeter skills.

He has shown a semblance of perimeter skills. That's why people are excited about his future. They've seen flashes of it.

[Madhouse]

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He can be one of the best players in the league, that's seems like a pretty simple projection to me.

I mean that’s the goal but I’m personally not entertaining those discussions until he shows a semblance of perimeter skills.

well, I guess, I hope he makes you a believer in the future.