Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[will]

Lol exactly... That's why I'm pulling JRoy styles on all these potential Dame/Raps offers.

So you are not the only secret JRoy lookalike on our board.

Game recognize Game.

While I would be hesitant to give up Scottie for Lillard too , my argument would be Scottie may or may not turn out to be a great player while Lillard already is. I guess the argument boils down to whether you see Lillard Siakam and OG as the main 3 pieces for a contender. I, personally do. But wouldn't be mad either ways.

I see Dame as a souped up Pascal. A VERY good player, but not good enough to carry a team trough a deep playoff run.

[Raps Next GM]

We've already locked ourselves into not rebuilding. Scottie will not be able to realize his potential with Siakam on the roster.

I would call Portland and offer Scottie, Achiuwa and then Porter JR, Thad Young and Chris Boucher for Lillard.

Lillard-GTJ-OG-Siakam-Poeltl could do something in the playoffs.

They might do something, but they won't be winning a chip... You don't trade a 21yr old up & coming star for a 33yr old who has struggled his whole career to lead many different Portland teams to the playoffs.

Absolutely agree.
I’m still not convinced that Scottie will ever reach his potential but it is immense! Trading someone like him is the kind of moves teams rue for years.
Adding Lillard makes the Raptors one of the East contenders but by no means are they head and shoulders above the others, and in fact I see them as 4th-ish, maybe 3rd if all works out well.

[Asif16]

Im just waiting for that inevitable report from either Woj or Shams where it says that Portland is gaining more traction with a different team on a Dame trade and is not focused anymore on Miami.

I just dont see why Portland would want to screw themselves over by getting either Herro or Ben Simmons who dont fit their team at all

[will]

We've already locked ourselves into not rebuilding. Scottie will not be able to realize his potential with Siakam on the roster.

I would call Portland and offer Scottie, Achiuwa and then Porter JR, Thad Young and Chris Boucher for Lillard.

Lillard-GTJ-OG-Siakam-Poeltl could do something in the playoffs.

They might do something, but they won't be winning a chip... You don't trade a 21yr old up & coming star for a 33yr old who has struggled his whole career to lead many different Portland teams to the playoffs.

Absolutely agree.
I’m still not convinced that Scottie will ever reach his potential but it is immense! Trading someone like him is the kind of moves teams rue for years.
Adding Lillard makes the Raptors one of the East contenders but by no means are they head and shoulders above the others, and in fact I see them as 4th-ish, maybe 3rd if all works out well.

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

[Fairview4Life]

They might do something, but they won't be winning a chip... You don't trade a 21yr old up & coming star for a 33yr old who has struggled his whole career to lead many different Portland teams to the playoffs.

Absolutely agree.
I’m still not convinced that Scottie will ever reach his potential but it is immense! Trading someone like him is the kind of moves teams rue for years.
Adding Lillard makes the Raptors one of the East contenders but by no means are they head and shoulders above the others, and in fact I see them as 4th-ish, maybe 3rd if all works out well.

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

[will]

Absolutely agree.
I’m still not convinced that Scottie will ever reach his potential but it is immense! Trading someone like him is the kind of moves teams rue for years.
Adding Lillard makes the Raptors one of the East contenders but by no means are they head and shoulders above the others, and in fact I see them as 4th-ish, maybe 3rd if all works out well.

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I had Dame on my yahoo! fantasy hoops team.

He put up mad numbers. Please tell me where those numbers got POR to?

I would argue POR was a very solid team last season with Simons, Grant and Jusuf.

[Fairview4Life]

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I had Dame on my yahoo! fantasy hoops team.

He put up mad numbers. Please tell me where those numbers got POR to?

I would argue POR was a very solid team last season with Simons, Grant and Jusuf.

And I would argue that team can’t defend for ****, and also Simons, Grant and Nurkic are all worse than OG, Pascal and Poeltl. Even more so if we’re looking at the sum of the parts. Think about replacing FVV with Dame on last years team, even. You’re telling me that’s just first round fodder? I know you don’t believe that.

I get it. I love Scottie and trading for a 33 year old, even one with a 65 TS% making lots of money, is very risky. It’s easier to just want the team to give up, trade everyone and tank and hope we get someone close to as good as Dame in the future before Scottie and Dick etc need to get paid. But saying they’d just be a tough first round out, max, with Lillard and only losing Scottie from the main group, isn’t really being all that objective. It’s ok to recognize that team would be a contender and still not want to risk it.

[bballsparkin]

Im just waiting for that inevitable report from either Woj or Shams where it says that Portland is gaining more traction with a different team on a Dame trade and is not focused anymore on Miami.

I just dont see why Portland would want to screw themselves over by getting either Herro or Ben Simmons who dont fit their team at all

Ben Simmons might "net" some picks I believe. Miami's offer is bad. The Blazers should x-nay that one.

[will]

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I had Dame on my yahoo! fantasy hoops team.

He put up mad numbers. Please tell me where those numbers got POR to?

I would argue POR was a very solid team last season with Simons, Grant and Jusuf.

And I would argue that team can’t defend for ****, and also Simons, Grant and Nurkic are all worse than OG, Pascal and Poeltl. Even more so if we’re looking at the sum of the parts. Think about replacing FVV with Dame on last years team, even. You’re telling me that’s just first round fodder? I know you don’t believe that.

I get it. I love Scottie and trading for a 33 year old, even one with a 65 TS% making lots of money, is very risky. It’s easier to just want the team to give up, trade everyone and tank and hope we get someone close to as good as Dame in the future before Scottie and Dick etc need to get paid. But saying they’d just be a tough first round out, max, with Lillard and only losing Scottie from the main group, isn’t really being all that objective. It’s ok to recognize that team would be a contender and still not want to risk it.

To get 1 year, or 2 years MAX of Dame (assuming his calf doesn't betray him further) at the expense of Scottish seems short sighted.

Dame and Pascal (and ADOBE to a degree) really aren't putting the Raptors at the forefront of the East.

With all due respect to GTJ and Yakub, they are nice to have as well.

The rest of the squad is simply not good enough, and the lack of depth is what will do the Raptors in.

[Webstersweb]

I had Dame on my yahoo! fantasy hoops team.

He put up mad numbers. Please tell me where those numbers got POR to?

I would argue POR was a very solid team last season with Simons, Grant and Jusuf.

And I would argue that team can’t defend for ****, and also Simons, Grant and Nurkic are all worse than OG, Pascal and Poeltl. Even more so if we’re looking at the sum of the parts. Think about replacing FVV with Dame on last years team, even. You’re telling me that’s just first round fodder? I know you don’t believe that.

I get it. I love Scottie and trading for a 33 year old, even one with a 65 TS% making lots of money, is very risky. It’s easier to just want the team to give up, trade everyone and tank and hope we get someone close to as good as Dame in the future before Scottie and Dick etc need to get paid. But saying they’d just be a tough first round out, max, with Lillard and only losing Scottie from the main group, isn’t really being all that objective. It’s ok to recognize that team would be a contender and still not want to risk it.

To get 1 year, or 2 years MAX of Dame (assuming his calf doesn't betray him further) at the expense of Scottish seems short sighted.

Dame and Pascal (and ADOBE to a degree) really aren't putting the Raptors at the forefront of the East.

With all due respect to GTJ and Yakub, they are nice to have as well.

The rest of the squad is simply not good enough, and the lack of depth is what will do the Raptors in.

The bench is where I feel the FO's focus on development should come. Even in our championship year, it was Siakam, Norm, FVV, homegrown developed players that allowed us to pay Lowry and Kawhi. I could see something similar with Gradey, Precious, Koloko. Depending again what's given up in the Lillard deal. Hell, based on the reported offers, I would even check if Portland would want OG over Scottie.

[Raps Next GM]

I fooled around with the trade machine and am curious to what y’all think of this, trying to consider fits, redundancies, etc. The machine said it was successful:

Miami gets:
Lillard, Nurkic, Porter Jr.

Portland gets:
Siakam, Martin, Jovic & Thad

Raptors get:
Herro, Sharpe & Lowry.

*Miami gets Dame and a vet contributor in OPJ but eats the Nurkic contract.

*Portland gets Siakam and Martin to bolster the front court with their already promising backcourt and picks + swaps from Miami, along with prospect in Jovic and a vet trade asset in Thad.
I wanted to give them Jaime but the machine wouldn’t allow him to be added.
I don’t know if this is enough to include Sharpe, but they have a glut in backcourt and salaries work with him outgoing.

*Raptors get Sharpe as an excellent prospect and as the reward for taking on Herro (his contract and defensive liabilities). Lowry is to make salaries work but is fitting for all.

I look forward to hearing the flaws in this but I find it intriguing.

[JRoy]

I fooled around with the trade machine and am curious to what y’all think of this, trying to consider fits, redundancies, etc. The machine said it was successful:

Miami gets:
Lillard, Nurkic, Porter Jr.

Portland gets:
Siakam, Martin, Jovic & Thad

Raptors get:
Herro, Sharpe & Lowry.

*Miami gets Dame and a vet contributor in OPJ but eats the Nurkic contract.

*Portland gets Siakam and Martin to bolster the front court with their already promising backcourt and picks + swaps from Miami, along with prospect in Jovic and a vet trade asset in Thad.
I wanted to give them Jaime but the machine wouldn’t allow him to be added.
I don’t know if this is enough to include Sharpe, but they have a glut in backcourt and salaries work with him outgoing.

*Raptors get Sharpe as an excellent prospect and as the reward for taking on Herro (his contract and defensive liabilities). Lowry is to make salaries work but is fitting for all.

I look forward to hearing the flaws in this but I find it intriguing.

POR is not sending out the best player and Sharpe for a return that will get to win 35 games and then get to pay Siakam.

If there is a number lower than zero, that is POR interest in this offer.

[will]

Get your trade requests in!

JRoy in the building.

[Raps Next GM]

I fooled around with the trade machine and am curious to what y’all think of this, trying to consider fits, redundancies, etc. The machine said it was successful:

Miami gets:
Lillard, Nurkic, Porter Jr.

Portland gets:
Siakam, Martin, Jovic & Thad

Raptors get:
Herro, Sharpe & Lowry.

*Miami gets Dame and a vet contributor in OPJ but eats the Nurkic contract.

*Portland gets Siakam and Martin to bolster the front court with their already promising backcourt and picks + swaps from Miami, along with prospect in Jovic and a vet trade asset in Thad.
I wanted to give them Jaime but the machine wouldn’t allow him to be added.
I don’t know if this is enough to include Sharpe, but they have a glut in backcourt and salaries work with him outgoing.

*Raptors get Sharpe as an excellent prospect and as the reward for taking on Herro (his contract and defensive liabilities). Lowry is to make salaries work but is fitting for all.

I look forward to hearing the flaws in this but I find it intriguing.

POR is not sending out the best player and Sharpe for a return that will get to win 35 games and then get to pay Siakam.

If there is a number lower than zero, that is POR interest in this offer.

Very Fair, thanks. In trying to consider all factors, I forgot the massive Siakam expiring contract issue.

From Portland’s perspective I didn’t want to include Sharpe but then why for Raptors? I had to give them reason to deal Siakam and Herro & Lowry aren’t enough.

[MiamiSPX]

I fooled around with the trade machine and am curious to what y’all think of this, trying to consider fits, redundancies, etc. The machine said it was successful:

Miami gets:
Lillard, Nurkic, Porter Jr.

Portland gets:
Siakam, Martin, Jovic & Thad

Raptors get:
Herro, Sharpe & Lowry.

*Miami gets Dame and a vet contributor in OPJ but eats the Nurkic contract.

*Portland gets Siakam and Martin to bolster the front court with their already promising backcourt and picks + swaps from Miami, along with prospect in Jovic and a vet trade asset in Thad.
I wanted to give them Jaime but the machine wouldn’t allow him to be added.
I don’t know if this is enough to include Sharpe, but they have a glut in backcourt and salaries work with him outgoing.

*Raptors get Sharpe as an excellent prospect and as the reward for taking on Herro (his contract and defensive liabilities). Lowry is to make salaries work but is fitting for all.

I look forward to hearing the flaws in this but I find it intriguing.

I, too, have been thinking of ways to get involved so that we get Herro. Not because he's anything special but the kid can go on heaters, and we are severely lacking that type of player (GTJ''s 5-game stretch in '21-22 notwithstanding). I'm also starting to put less stock into the defensive end. Watching that garbage last season will do that to you. Jamal Murray is also a pylon defensively and that didn't work out too badly for the Nuggets.

Prior to this new CBA that isn't enough for Siakam but now this is more or less equivalent to what we will get (IF he is traded). Not sure I like it, but I wouldn't hate it.

[JRoy]

I fooled around with the trade machine and am curious to what y’all think of this, trying to consider fits, redundancies, etc. The machine said it was successful:

Miami gets:
Lillard, Nurkic, Porter Jr.

Portland gets:
Siakam, Martin, Jovic & Thad

Raptors get:
Herro, Sharpe & Lowry.

*Miami gets Dame and a vet contributor in OPJ but eats the Nurkic contract.

*Portland gets Siakam and Martin to bolster the front court with their already promising backcourt and picks + swaps from Miami, along with prospect in Jovic and a vet trade asset in Thad.
I wanted to give them Jaime but the machine wouldn’t allow him to be added.
I don’t know if this is enough to include Sharpe, but they have a glut in backcourt and salaries work with him outgoing.

*Raptors get Sharpe as an excellent prospect and as the reward for taking on Herro (his contract and defensive liabilities). Lowry is to make salaries work but is fitting for all.

I look forward to hearing the flaws in this but I find it intriguing.

POR is not sending out the best player and Sharpe for a return that will get to win 35 games and then get to pay Siakam.

If there is a number lower than zero, that is POR interest in this offer.

Very Fair, thanks. In trying to consider all factors, I forgot the massive Siakam expiring contract issue.

From Portland’s perspective I didn’t want to include Sharpe but then why for Raptors? I had to give them reason to deal Siakam and Herro & Lowry aren’t enough.

That’s a fair point Siakam is worth more than than that. Maybe send him to NOP for DD, TM and CJ?

[docholliday99]

Absolutely agree.
I’m still not convinced that Scottie will ever reach his potential but it is immense! Trading someone like him is the kind of moves teams rue for years.
Adding Lillard makes the Raptors one of the East contenders but by no means are they head and shoulders above the others, and in fact I see them as 4th-ish, maybe 3rd if all works out well.

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I would think if there was a trade for Dame by Toronto, it would probably be something more plug and play, like OG, Boucher, Thad, Flynn, Wieskamp, 3 frps and swaps. Would have to release the conditions on 2024 frp to open up 2026.

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, Dowtin
SG: Trent Jr., Dick, Harper Jr
SF: Barnes, McDaniels
PF: Siakam, Achiuwa, Porter
C: Poetl, Koloko

I'm not overly thrilled by it though, I could see it causing problems on offense, despite the lack of some shooting, defense would be tough up front.... but I don't see it coming out of the East. Who knows though, anything is possible.

[JRoy]

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I would think if there was a trade for Dame by Toronto, it would probably be something more plug and play, like OG, Boucher, Thad, Flynn, Wieskamp, 3 frps and swaps.

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, Dowtin
SG: Trent Jr., Dick, Harper Jr
SF: Barnes, McDaniels
PF: Siakam, Achiuwa, Porter
C: Poetl, Koloko

I'm not overly thrilled by it though, I could see it causing problems on offense, despite the lack of some shooting, defense would be tough up front.... but I don't see it coming out of the East. Who knows though, anything is possible.

It’s possible but I wouldn’t do this trade. Another soon to be overpaid non star seems a bad way to start a rebuild.

[docholliday99]

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I would think if there was a trade for Dame by Toronto, it would probably be something more plug and play, like OG, Boucher, Thad, Flynn, Wieskamp, 3 frps and swaps.

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, Dowtin
SG: Trent Jr., Dick, Harper Jr
SF: Barnes, McDaniels
PF: Siakam, Achiuwa, Porter
C: Poetl, Koloko

I'm not overly thrilled by it though, I could see it causing problems on offense, despite the lack of some shooting, defense would be tough up front.... but I don't see it coming out of the East. Who knows though, anything is possible.

It’s possible but I wouldn’t do this trade. Another soon to be overpaid non star seems a bad way to start a rebuild.

I think many teams would be hard pressed to beat that. Still, I'm not overly impressed for the Raptors end.

Raptors could send OG to a team that's ready to compete in OKC for Jalen, Wallace, Bertans pick with all of that plus filler picks going to Portland - however, I think I'd want that OKC deal for the Raptors lol.

Personally, I still think Utah is the key. Trade Herro to Utah for Hendricks, Oly, 2025 - Miami gets Lillard, Nurkic, 2025 (opens the rest of their picks), Portland gets Hendricks, Jovic, Jaquez, Oly, Lowry, 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030, 3 swaps.

Can't think of a better deal than that.

[Raps Next GM]

Dame puts the Raptors in the mix to be a competitive first round opponent. That's it.

Come on now. Go look at his numbers last year. They are absurd.

Dame/Schroder
GTJ/Dick
OG/McDaniels
Pascal/Precious
Poeltl/Koloko

That team matches up well with anyone in the east. We all watched the playoffs this year, right? We aren’t talking about having to beat the Jordan Bulls here.

I would think if there was a trade for Dame by Toronto, it would probably be something more plug and play, like OG, Boucher, Thad, Flynn, Wieskamp, 3 frps and swaps. Would have to release the conditions on 2024 frp to open up 2026.

PG: Lillard, Schroeder, Dowtin
SG: Trent Jr., Dick, Harper Jr
SF: Barnes, McDaniels
PF: Siakam, Achiuwa, Porter
C: Poetl, Koloko

I'm not overly thrilled by it though, I could see it causing problems on offense, despite the lack of some shooting, defense would be tough up front.... but I don't see it coming out of the East. Who knows though, anything is possible.

I would happily be on board for this but don’t see how Portland goes for it. OG and a bunch of nothing and three picks that are very likely to be in the bottom third of the round. Not much of a return for a franchise icon.