2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

bballsparkin · Post #761 » by **bballsparkin** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:52 pm

^^Plus the Nets seem to be Brooklyn bound with a rich owner who looks to be willing to spend, which is a big selling point I'm sure. There was a good article in realgm discussing the risk the Nets took, as Utah is the better team of the two by far. I'd rather pass and roll with our 2012 pick.

Laowai · Post #762 » by **Laowai** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:25 am

Fixing one hole and making more losing 2012 1st, DD leaves holes in 2 key positions SG & Likely in the draft SF. PG is hardly our weakest area with Bayless & Jose if Davis is traded would like for a 2md lottery pick in 2012.

A one year fix doesn't help.

WhatsaTDot · Post #763 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:34 am

At a drunken, spiked drink minimum, it would take Demar, Bargnani and a 1st. I believe the floor would more likely be Demar, Ed and a 1st. As much as Casey wants to sell Toronto as a destination to players, we need to have a foundation of good players for established players to want to even come to. I'm really curious to see how it works out for a franchise like OKC. They have a solid significant foundation but they are in an undesirable market. Will they be able to attract Type 1A free agents? The reality is that despite Toronto ranking well ahead of OKC on a global scale, a significant majority of American born players would likely prefer to play in OKC than in Toronto.

If you were an American kid with a dream to play for the Knicks and you had some control over that, you wouldn't settle to play for the only foreign country team in the league.

WhatsaTDot · Post #764 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:50 am

And rather than having Paul for one lock out shortened season, I’d rather go into the 2012-2013 season with:

Bayless/An expiring Jose
Demar/Weems
McAdoo/Johnson
Ed/Amir/2nd Round pick
Bargnani/JoVa

+ future Barbosa asset.

That’s at least a solid foundation to find out whether, all CBA things related being the same, to find out whether we could attract a top shelf PG for 2013-2014 to make a run at a top 4 finish in the East.

Trading for Paul now as you suggest you would mean, no prime propect SG/SF/PF. It would take 4 drafts to even get back to that stage.

witnessraps · Post #765 » by **witnessraps** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:19 pm

What we need to do if there is a season next year is actually show that we`re young and exciting and play good defense, and the team of the future, then I think we will have a shot at a legit free agent. I`d rather attract stars with a very good basketball team, then trade away our key pieces.

Edit: I know most of yall think were gonna be in the toilet forever and never attract any legit players....@$%k you gonna do?

Saciid11 · Post #766 » by **Saciid11** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:06 pm

As much as I love Derozen and Ed, I wouldn't mind trading them for Kevin Love if he is available...

twistedude · Post #767 » by **twistedude** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:36 am

Saciid11 wrote:As much as I love Derozen and Ed, I wouldn't mind trading them for Kevin Love if he is available...

Why would Kevin Love be available? How would he fit in with the Raptors?

witnessraps · Post #768 » by **witnessraps** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:33 am

I hope you are talking about one of them and not both....as for DeMar for Love, that's a no. Ed for Love I assume would be yes for a lot of people but it's a no for me.

twistedude · Post #769 » by **twistedude** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:57 am

witnessraps wrote:I hope you are talking about one of them and not both....as for DeMar for Love, that's a no. Ed for Love I assume would be yes for a lot of people but it's a no for me.

You wouldn't trade Ed for an elite rebounder and one of the most versatile bigs in the L?

witnessraps · Post #770 » by **witnessraps** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:30 am

twistedude wrote:
witnessraps wrote:I hope you are talking about one of them and not both....as for DeMar for Love, that's a no. Ed for Love I assume would be yes for a lot of people but it's a no for me.

You wouldn't trade Ed for an elite rebounder and one of the most versatile bigs in the L?

Love has way more experience on Ed who I think is just hitting the surface, has more defensive potential. It's real close, if we pulled the trigger on that I can obviously see why.

Saciid11 · Post #771 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:28 pm

twistedude wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:As much as I love Derozen and Ed, I wouldn't mind trading them for Kevin Love if he is available...

Why would Kevin Love be available? How would he fit in with the Raptors?

i don't know but I'm guessing since Wolves are loaded at power forward position they might explore trading Love and as much as I love Derozens potential I don't mind giving him plus filler for Love like some others in here.

How would he fit with the Raps??? Easy, get defensive center to pair up with him and draft sg/sf next years draft to replace Derozen ... trade Bargnani for another pick our young prospect ..

Saciid11 · Post #772 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:33 pm

witnessraps wrote:I hope you are talking about one of them and not both....as for DeMar for Love, that's a no. Ed for Love I assume would be yes for a lot of people but it's a no for me.

Love is 22 year old who put up 20ppg 15rebound ...plus he knows how to play the game. The only weakness he has is at the defensive end and you can hide that with defensive center or Zone defensive like Dallas did with Dirk ... You can't teach rebounding and LOVE'S BBIQ ...

Mattya · Post #773 » by **Mattya** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:41 am

You guys are way short on value if you think either Derozan or Davis as centerpieces for a trade that is going to get you Love. It would have to be both or include your pick. His only weakness is defense and that is overstated. Hits the three at a high percentage, dominant rebounder, starts fast breaks with outlet passing and draws fouls. Love won't be traded anyway untill the Wolves see what him and Rubio can do together.

NashyMing · Post #774 » by **NashyMing** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:38 pm

Hassassin wrote:
NashyMing wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6l63tmz

Basically two trades
1) Calderon + Kleiza for Beasley + Brad Miller + Luke Ridnour
- TWolves get a spanish PG to mentor Ricky Rubio and they are familiar with each other already. Can start Derrick Williams and use Kleiza as a solid veteran backup SF/PF. Get rid of Brad Miller's contract
- Raptors get an almost equally solid PG at half the price in Luke Ridnour to replace Calderon. Beasley would the high risk high reward. If his head is right, he can be kept for the cheap. If his head is not right, it's only a 1 year deal. Another option is to trade him in the middle of the season to playoff team for assets in return. Brad Miller can be the stop gap C and a mentor to Valanciunas next season.

2) Amir Johnson for Kosta Koufos + Kenneth Faried
- Nuggets get a real PF to pair with Nene. Still young with a few years of exp and can develop into a solid starter.
- Raptors gets a solid center prospect in Koufos (still 22 years old with 3 years in NBA) and a high energy role player in Faried who can develop into a good defender for SF/PF. Also solves the log jam at PF and save some money.

Absolutely not. You don't solve the log jam at power forward by trading your most productive player. You move Bargnani.

This is based on the assumption that Bargnani can't be moved. Also, I don't really think Amir Johnson is that great.

ILLmindsmedia · Post #775 » by **ILLmindsmedia** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 pm

why the hell would we want Love when we're so full at that position and not with scrubs either. I think Davis is gonna be better than a lotta people think, he's a piece I'd want to keep for at least another 2 seasons....and Derozan is getting better every year, BC's got a nice core here, in 2 years we could be the cause of worry for these better teams in the L with some strategic additions....oh and minus Bargnani, the hopeless wonder.

NashyMing · Post #776 » by **NashyMing** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:46 pm

komodo19 wrote:Amir for Faried and Koufos? That's absolutely awful. And then you want to roll with a Beasley/Bargnani/Miller frontcourt? LOL.

What about Bargnani and Alabi for Bass, Duhon and Orton?

You guys have way too over value Amir Johnson. He's a solid player, but I would rather trade him for young players and cap space over keeping him for ~6mil a year for the next 4 years. Amir simply does not have the size to play C. Since we are not trading Bargnani and Ed Davis has better upside at a much smaller contract than Amir, Amir is the logical choice to be moved.

I think Faried would be better than Reggie Evans in a few years. He's a rebounder now, but he does have the quickness and athleticism. If he works hard, he can develop into a solid defender.

Koufos just finished his 3rd year in the league at the age of 23. I think he still has upside and his contract is small. He can be a solid young C to develop.

Brad Miller is a stop gap center. I am suggesting a rebuilding here. This Raptors team with Beasley, Bargnani, Miller would probably be the worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA.

However, Beasley's contract has only 1 year left, if he doesn't fit, we can trade him in the middle of the season, simply let him expire, or if he works out, sign him under a reasonable contract.

Offensively, he would be a top 3 scorers on this Raptors team. In the trade we acquired Beasley, Ridnour, and Miller, it's mainly to dump Calderon 2 years 10mil and Kleiza 3 years 5mil.

Without crazy signing this team can have a lot of cap space for 2013/2014 season. If any of DeRozan, Davis, Valanciunas and whoever we draft in 2012, 2013 develop into an all-star, we can probably attract a real super star to come here with the cap space.

The team I design is looking to be a big player in 2013/2014 season.

plainballing · Post #777 » by **plainballing** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:10 pm

NashyMing wrote:
komodo19 wrote:Amir for Faried and Koufos? That's absolutely awful. And then you want to roll with a Beasley/Bargnani/Miller frontcourt? LOL.

What about Bargnani and Alabi for Bass, Duhon and Orton?

You guys have way too over value Amir Johnson. He's a solid player, but I would rather trade him for young players and cap space over keeping him for ~6mil a year for the next 4 years. Amir simply does not have the size to play C. Since we are not trading Bargnani and Ed Davis has better upside at a much smaller contract than Amir, Amir is the logical choice to be moved.

I think Faried would be better than Reggie Evans in a few years. He's a rebounder now, but he does have the quickness and athleticism. If he works hard, he can develop into a solid defender.

Koufos just finished his 3rd year in the league at the age of 23. I think he still has upside and his contract is small. He can be a solid young C to develop.

Brad Miller is a stop gap center. I am suggesting a rebuilding here. This Raptors team with Beasley, Bargnani, Miller would probably be the worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA.

However, Beasley's contract has only 1 year left, if he doesn't fit, we can trade him in the middle of the season, simply let him expire, or if he works out, sign him under a reasonable contract.

Offensively, he would be a top 3 scorers on this Raptors team. In the trade we acquired Beasley, Ridnour, and Miller, it's mainly to dump Calderon 2 years 10mil and Kleiza 3 years 5mil.

Without crazy signing this team can have a lot of cap space for 2013/2014 season. If any of DeRozan, Davis, Valanciunas and whoever we draft in 2012, 2013 develop into an all-star, we can probably attract a real super star to come here with the cap space.

The team I design is looking to be a big player in 2013/2014 season.

The last thing we needed is Toronto Power Forwards...why don't we explore trades to get some wing player or a point?

Post #778 » by **Maritimer** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:51 pm

1) Calderon + Kleiza for Beasley + Brad Miller + Luke Ridnour
- TWolves get a spanish PG to mentor Ricky Rubio and they are familiar with each other already. Can start Derrick Williams and use Kleiza as a solid veteran backup SF/PF. Get rid of Brad Miller's contract
- Raptors get an almost equally solid PG at half the price in Luke Ridnour to replace Calderon. Beasley would the high risk high reward. If his head is right, he can be kept for the cheap. If his head is not right, it's only a 1 year deal. Another option is to trade him in the middle of the season to playoff team for assets in return. Brad Miller can be the stop gap C and a mentor to Valanciunas next season.

I'd do that deal on it's own. Someone on the trade board suggested a Bargs/JJ for Chandler/Birdman swap, which I'd also be down for.

Bayless | Ridnour
Derozan | Barbosa
Chandler | Beasley
Davis | Johnson
Miller | Anderson | Alabi

Miller is essentially expiring, Ridnour and Birdman have 3 years each but don't make a ton (Anderson finishes at $5.5M, which isn't great, but doesn't kill us). Amir and WC would be the longest contracts on the team, so as long as Chandler's S&T contract isn't killer I'd say this sets us up well for the rebuild. Add another lotto pick next year with Val and we're doing OK, IMO.

NashyMing · Post #779 » by **NashyMing** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:18 am

plainballing wrote:The last thing we needed is Toronto Power Forwards...why don't we explore trades to get some wing player or a point?

Did you figure out the trade would involve trading away Amir Johnson who is the 3rd PF on the Raptors?

The two deals I suggested would trade away Calderon (PG), Amir (PF), Kleiza (SF/PF) for Ridnour (PG), Beasley (SF), Miller (C), Koufos (C), Faried (PF).

In the deal, we slightly downgraded from Calderon to Ridnour at PG. Upgraded from Kleiza to Beasley at SF (if his head is right). Downgraded from Amir (who is too good to be 3rd PF behind Bargnani and Ed) for a young prospect in Faried at PF. Add 2 Cs that have good size - one old veteran and one young prospect at 23.

These two deals give Raptors better cap space for the next a few years while give more balance to the team (2 Cs with legit size). No more logjam at PF as Faried is definitely a 3rd PF as a rookie. Ed Davis would play 30 minutes a game at PF/C behind Bargnani and Miller (may start over later in the season).

WhatsaTDot · Post #780 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:22 am

NashyMing wrote:
plainballing wrote:The last thing we needed is Toronto Power Forwards...why don't we explore trades to get some wing player or a point?

Did you figure out the trade would involve trading away Amir Johnson who is the 3rd PF on the Raptors?

The two deals I suggested would trade away Calderon (PG), Amir (PF), Kleiza (SF/PF) for Ridnour (PG), Beasley (SF), Miller (C), Koufos (C), Faried (PF).

In the deal, we slightly downgraded from Calderon to Ridnour at PG. Upgraded from Kleiza to Beasley at SF (if his head is right). Downgraded from Amir (who is too good to be 3rd PF behind Bargnani and Ed) for a young prospect in Faried at PF. Add 2 Cs that have good size - one old veteran and one young prospect at 23.

These two deals give Raptors better cap space for the next a few years while give more balance to the team (2 Cs with legit size).

Well it takes two to tango though. Why would Minn want Calderon and Kleiza? Especially at the expense of what they're having to give up. That trade doesnt make them any better while giving up relatively valuable players - certainly in contrast to what they're taking on.

Minn will make a move to make them contend for 8th or better in the West. This isnt that deal.