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Post#761 » by NotMyKawhi » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:12 pm

Hawks: No expectation of major moves. Cam Reddish does seem to be a player the Hawks may look to move.

Celtics: Two sources indicated that the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

Bulls: The Bulls are thought of as buyers. They have been looking for a wing defender to bring off the bench, multiple sources confirmed.

Nuggets: There’s confidence that the return of Jamal Murray expected sometime in February or March.

Pistons: Multiple outlets have reported on Grant’s availability in trade talks with Detroit pivoting to their youth movement.

Rockets: The Rockets have a number of veterans whom they can move as they rebuild around their youth movement. One player whom it’s uncertain if Houston will entertain offers for is Christian Wood. The price would be steep, but Houston would definitely be selling high on his value right now.

Pacers: There’s belief that pretty much every Pacer is gettable right now outside of Malcolm Brogdon. Kevin O’Connor of the Ringer reported that Domantas Sabonis wants out of Indiana. That’s what I was told by multiple league sources as well, and that it wasn’t just this season, but instead going back to last year Sabonis was looking for a change of scenery. However, Scott Agness who covers the Pacers and is plugged in refuted that sentiment. Herb Simon met with reporters this week and said that the team is not “panicking.” Myles Turner spoke about how he sees himself as more than a role player. There were talks last summer between the Hornets and Pacers for Turner, and sources believe those talks could be resumed before the deadline. While a major trade still remains likely, I don’t expect a teardown like you would see with other franchises.

Lakers: The cat is out of the bag that the Lakers have entertained the idea of trading Russell Westbrook, already, as Bleacher Report reported this week. The Lakers, as always, are expected to be buyers at the deadline, in trades or buyouts.

Pelicans: The Pelicans are thought to be buyers at the deadline, per Jake Fischer at Bleacher Report. Interestingly, some executives were surprised at the report as they had gauged more interest in long-term assets from New Orleans. Josh Hart is thought to be the best asset New Orleans has available, but his expiring contract mitigates what they can get in return should they decide to move Hart.

Knicks: There is no interest league-wide in taking on Kemba Walker according to multiple sources.

Thunder: The Thunder should be viewed in possible three-way deals for Simmons. Sam Presti and Daryl Morey have worked together on enough deals in the past.

Magic: Wendell Carter Jr. is not expected to be involved in trade talks despite the emergence of Mo Bamba. This has renewed speculation that Bamba could be moved, but as of yet, Orlando hasn’t indicated such.

76ers: Simmons trade talks have been ongoing for weeks leading up to this week. There have been reports of increased interest from the Blazers, but CJ McCollum and pieces still doesn’t seem to fit what the Sixers consider Simmons’ value to be. The Pelicans have popped on the radar. The Spurs have been mentioned. Sacramento remains a likely destination based on the relationship between Morey and GM Monte McNair. Minnesota seems less likely given the team’s success and D’Angelo Russell thriving this season.

Kings: Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield are expected to be on the market. Barnes, in particular, will get a large amount of offers. However, one executive cautioned on believing they’ll make a move.

Spurs: Thaddeus Young is the Spurs’ best chip to move. Expect teams with championship aspirations to value him for a trade or in a buyout scenario.
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Post#762 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:05 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:cam reddish!!!!!!!!!!!

What would you be willing to give up for cam reddish?


we really don't have anyone to give up.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#763 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:41 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:Hawks: No expectation of major moves. Cam Reddish does seem to be a player the Hawks may look to move.

Celtics: Two sources indicated that the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

Bulls: The Bulls are thought of as buyers. They have been looking for a wing defender to bring off the bench, multiple sources confirmed.

Nuggets: There’s confidence that the return of Jamal Murray expected sometime in February or March.

Pistons: Multiple outlets have reported on Grant’s availability in trade talks with Detroit pivoting to their youth movement.

Rockets: The Rockets have a number of veterans whom they can move as they rebuild around their youth movement. One player whom it’s uncertain if Houston will entertain offers for is Christian Wood. The price would be steep, but Houston would definitely be selling high on his value right now.

Pacers: There’s belief that pretty much every Pacer is gettable right now outside of Malcolm Brogdon. Kevin O’Connor of the Ringer reported that Domantas Sabonis wants out of Indiana. That’s what I was told by multiple league sources as well, and that it wasn’t just this season, but instead going back to last year Sabonis was looking for a change of scenery. However, Scott Agness who covers the Pacers and is plugged in refuted that sentiment. Herb Simon met with reporters this week and said that the team is not “panicking.” Myles Turner spoke about how he sees himself as more than a role player. There were talks last summer between the Hornets and Pacers for Turner, and sources believe those talks could be resumed before the deadline. While a major trade still remains likely, I don’t expect a teardown like you would see with other franchises.

Lakers: The cat is out of the bag that the Lakers have entertained the idea of trading Russell Westbrook, already, as Bleacher Report reported this week. The Lakers, as always, are expected to be buyers at the deadline, in trades or buyouts.

Pelicans: The Pelicans are thought to be buyers at the deadline, per Jake Fischer at Bleacher Report. Interestingly, some executives were surprised at the report as they had gauged more interest in long-term assets from New Orleans. Josh Hart is thought to be the best asset New Orleans has available, but his expiring contract mitigates what they can get in return should they decide to move Hart.

Knicks: There is no interest league-wide in taking on Kemba Walker according to multiple sources.

Thunder: The Thunder should be viewed in possible three-way deals for Simmons. Sam Presti and Daryl Morey have worked together on enough deals in the past.

Magic: Wendell Carter Jr. is not expected to be involved in trade talks despite the emergence of Mo Bamba. This has renewed speculation that Bamba could be moved, but as of yet, Orlando hasn’t indicated such.

76ers: Simmons trade talks have been ongoing for weeks leading up to this week. There have been reports of increased interest from the Blazers, but CJ McCollum and pieces still doesn’t seem to fit what the Sixers consider Simmons’ value to be. The Pelicans have popped on the radar. The Spurs have been mentioned. Sacramento remains a likely destination based on the relationship between Morey and GM Monte McNair. Minnesota seems less likely given the team’s success and D’Angelo Russell thriving this season.

Kings: Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield are expected to be on the market. Barnes, in particular, will get a large amount of offers. However, one executive cautioned on believing they’ll make a move.

Spurs: Thaddeus Young is the Spurs’ best chip to move. Expect teams with championship aspirations to value him for a trade or in a buyout scenario.


Pretty good analysis. I agree with it completely.

I know Morey wants a Kings ransom for Simmons but the person who pays it is going to be sorry. Simmons is good but doesn't have the impact of a Harden, Lillard etc and it's that sort of package he's looking for.

I've always thought something with the Kings, Sixers and Blazers could work. Covington and McCollum to Philly, Simmons and Green to Sactown and Barnes, Hield and Mitchell to Portland.

As for Toronto, there are a few possible options I'd look at:

1. Dragic + Flynn for Levert
Saves Indy a ton of money, gives them a prospect. For Toronto, we get a chance to rehab Leverts value, kicking that expiring down the road. Maybe we can get something better a year from now?

2. Boucher.
Not sure what we're going to get for him but we can't keep him. Hes expiring at the end of the year and it doesn't make sense for either party for him to come back.

3. Mo Bamba
Wouldn't mind acquiring him. Can't see the Magic paying him AND WCJ a bunch of money so I gotta imagine Bamba will be available. He fits the youth movement we're going for but outside of picks (which we should not be trading), I don't see a possible deal here.

As always though, our moves will be heavily predicated on what direction we want to go. If we want to go all in around a core that includes FVV and Siakam, we could acquire some pieces from Indiana as Sabonis and/or Turner, Levert, Lamb etc are all reportedly available. If the youth movement is the goal, we’re in some trouble. As good as FVV and Siakam are, there just isn't much of a market at the moment. There just aren't many teams that are a Siakam/FVV type player away from contention that also has quality pieces to offer.
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Post#764 » by Raptors_128 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:00 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:cam reddish!!!!!!!!!!!

What would you be willing to give up for cam reddish?


Flynn/Precious/Boucher/2nds

They can have any combination or all of them.
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Post#765 » by agkagk » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:20 am

Raptors_128 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:cam reddish!!!!!!!!!!!

What would you be willing to give up for cam reddish?


Flynn/Precious/Boucher/2nds

They can have any combination or all of them.



Headlines have read they’re looking for a first in return.

If some combo of Flynn, boucher, svi and a future protected first can get it done, I would be thrilled.
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Post#766 » by bluerap23 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:51 pm

agkagk wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:cam reddish!!!!!!!!!!!

What would you be willing to give up for cam reddish?


Flynn/Precious/Boucher/2nds

They can have any combination or all of them.



Headlines have read they’re looking for a first in return.

If some combo of Flynn, boucher, svi and a future protected first can get it done, I would be thrilled.


I could see Cam Reddish turning into a Joe Johnson type career. Very good buy low candidate.
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Post#767 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:23 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
Raptors_128 wrote:
Flynn/Precious/Boucher/2nds

They can have any combination or all of them.



Headlines have read they’re looking for a first in return.

If some combo of Flynn, boucher, svi and a future protected first can get it done, I would be thrilled.


I could see Cam Reddish turning into a Joe Johnson type career. Very good buy low candidate.


they want more than just a first. they want someone who can help them now as well.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#768 » by agkagk » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:43 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
agkagk wrote:

Headlines have read they’re looking for a first in return.

If some combo of Flynn, boucher, svi and a future protected first can get it done, I would be thrilled.


I could see Cam Reddish turning into a Joe Johnson type career. Very good buy low candidate.


they want more than just a first. they want someone who can help them now as well.


What do you suspect they’re looking for?

Glossing over their roster, they’re pretty much two deep at every position.

I just assume they’re looking to move reddish to stay ahead of the cap crunch they’re going to face — they blew their load on bogdanovic and gallinari and have to resign huerter, young, capela and hunter.
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Post#769 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:33 pm

agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
I could see Cam Reddish turning into a Joe Johnson type career. Very good buy low candidate.


they want more than just a first. they want someone who can help them now as well.


What do you suspect they’re looking for?

Glossing over their roster, they’re pretty much two deep at every position.

I just assume they’re looking to move reddish to stay ahead of the cap crunch they’re going to face — they blew their load on bogdanovic and gallinari and have to resign huerter, young, capela and hunter.


ya moving Precious or Boucher would be a bad move for the current year's team in terms of center depth. and this current team has too many developing parts that need the ball. I mean he would be great for the bench. but we're also on a contract crunch in 2-3 years time as well. i think in 2 years time, Webster is going to to start consolidating assets to become a more serious playoff contender as well.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#770 » by agkagk » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:48 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
they want more than just a first. they want someone who can help them now as well.


What do you suspect they’re looking for?

Glossing over their roster, they’re pretty much two deep at every position.

I just assume they’re looking to move reddish to stay ahead of the cap crunch they’re going to face — they blew their load on bogdanovic and gallinari and have to resign huerter, young, capela and hunter.


ya moving Precious or Boucher would be a bad move for the current year's team in terms of center depth. and this current team has too many developing parts that need the ball. I mean he would be great for the bench. but we're also on a contract crunch in 2-3 years time as well. i think in 2 years time, Webster is going to to start consolidating assets to become a more serious playoff contender as well.


Hmm…..

Consolidating is probably what the hawks are up to as well.

Some combo of bogi, hunter, huerter, reddish, gallinari and picks for an upgrade to their core…..
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Post#771 » by bluerap23 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:31 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
they want more than just a first. they want someone who can help them now as well.


What do you suspect they’re looking for?

Glossing over their roster, they’re pretty much two deep at every position.

I just assume they’re looking to move reddish to stay ahead of the cap crunch they’re going to face — they blew their load on bogdanovic and gallinari and have to resign huerter, young, capela and hunter.


ya moving Precious or Boucher would be a bad move for the current year's team in terms of center depth. and this current team has too many developing parts that need the ball. I mean he would be great for the bench. but we're also on a contract crunch in 2-3 years time as well. i think in 2 years time, Webster is going to to start consolidating assets to become a more serious playoff contender as well.


Atlanta's biggest problem is the opposite of ours. They have too many rotation players. Cam Reddish should be moving north of 30 mins but his mins are down this year from last. They would probably like to do a 2 or 3 for 1 type of deal.
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Post#772 » by Spida888 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:35 pm

agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
What do you suspect they’re looking for?

Glossing over their roster, they’re pretty much two deep at every position.

I just assume they’re looking to move reddish to stay ahead of the cap crunch they’re going to face — they blew their load on bogdanovic and gallinari and have to resign huerter, young, capela and hunter.


ya moving Precious or Boucher would be a bad move for the current year's team in terms of center depth. and this current team has too many developing parts that need the ball. I mean he would be great for the bench. but we're also on a contract crunch in 2-3 years time as well. i think in 2 years time, Webster is going to to start consolidating assets to become a more serious playoff contender as well.


Hmm…..

Consolidating is probably what the hawks are up to as well.

Some combo of bogi, hunter, huerter, reddish, gallinari and picks for an upgrade to their core…..


I wonder if the Hawks are interested in Pascal and can he co-exist with Collins - might be too much overlap there. Atlanta has multiple young pieces that I'm interested in, and big salary ballast to make the trade happen.
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Post#773 » by agkagk » Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:57 pm

RapsFan008 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
ya moving Precious or Boucher would be a bad move for the current year's team in terms of center depth. and this current team has too many developing parts that need the ball. I mean he would be great for the bench. but we're also on a contract crunch in 2-3 years time as well. i think in 2 years time, Webster is going to to start consolidating assets to become a more serious playoff contender as well.


Hmm…..

Consolidating is probably what the hawks are up to as well.

Some combo of bogi, hunter, huerter, reddish, gallinari and picks for an upgrade to their core…..


I wonder if the Hawks are interested in Pascal and can he co-exist with Collins - might be too much overlap there. Atlanta has multiple young pieces that I'm interested in, and big salary ballast to make the trade happen.


would you or wouldnt you.....

Pascal doesnt make sense for them with collins and capela, but would you be open to trading trent jr:


something like;

Trent, Boucher, Birch

4

Hunter, Reddish, Gallinari

Theres a good chance neither hunter or reddish will ever reach trent's current level of production, just sayin'

Personally, I’m holding my breath on a boucher snd a protected first for reddish deal!
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Post#774 » by Spida888 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:03 pm

agkagk wrote:
RapsFan008 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
Hmm…..

Consolidating is probably what the hawks are up to as well.

Some combo of bogi, hunter, huerter, reddish, gallinari and picks for an upgrade to their core…..


I wonder if the Hawks are interested in Pascal and can he co-exist with Collins - might be too much overlap there. Atlanta has multiple young pieces that I'm interested in, and big salary ballast to make the trade happen.


would you or wouldnt you.....

Pascal doesnt make sense for them with collins and capela, but would you be open to trading trent jr:


something like;

Trent, Boucher, Birch

4

Hunter, Reddish, Gallinari

Theres a good chance neither hunter or reddish will ever reach trent's current level of production, just sayin'


I agree a Pascal trade doesn't make too much sense for them, too bad.

I think I would say no to the Trent trade. I wasn't too high on the Trent signing at first, but he's been balling and might be our best shot creator.
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Post#775 » by agkagk » Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:59 am

RapsFan008 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
RapsFan008 wrote:
I wonder if the Hawks are interested in Pascal and can he co-exist with Collins - might be too much overlap there. Atlanta has multiple young pieces that I'm interested in, and big salary ballast to make the trade happen.


would you or wouldnt you.....

Pascal doesnt make sense for them with collins and capela, but would you be open to trading trent jr:


something like;

Trent, Boucher, Birch

4

Hunter, Reddish, Gallinari

Theres a good chance neither hunter or reddish will ever reach trent's current level of production, just sayin'


I agree a Pascal trade doesn't make too much sense for them, too bad.

I think I would say no to the Trent trade. I wasn't too high on the Trent signing at first, but he's been balling and might be our best shot creator.



Hmmm…

Ben Simmons would probably fit really well in Atlanta— lots of hollow scoring and not a lot of defence and play making.

If Tobias can play the 3, maybe a 3 way dance with pascal going to philly?
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Post#776 » by GutUNC » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:36 am

agkagk wrote:
RapsFan008 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
would you or wouldnt you.....

Pascal doesnt make sense for them with collins and capela, but would you be open to trading trent jr:


something like;

Trent, Boucher, Birch

4

Hunter, Reddish, Gallinari

Theres a good chance neither hunter or reddish will ever reach trent's current level of production, just sayin'


I agree a Pascal trade doesn't make too much sense for them, too bad.

I think I would say no to the Trent trade. I wasn't too high on the Trent signing at first, but he's been balling and might be our best shot creator.



Hmmm…

Ben Simmons would probably fit really well in Atlanta— lots of hollow scoring and not a lot of defence and play making.

If Tobias can play the 3, maybe a 3 way dance with pascal going to philly?


Tobias can't play the 3.
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Post#777 » by Asif16 » Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:10 am

Whos the oddd man out in Washington when Thomas Bryant comes back?

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Post#778 » by CANsportsguru » Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:53 am

With how Wiggins has been playing this year this is highly unlikely.

Pascal, Dragic, Boucher & future first round pick lotto protected.

For

Wiggins, Wiseman, Kuminga & Moody

A healthy Golden State with Pascal wins the title. They can flip Dragic or keep him as insurance. We get younger and address an area of need and don't lose much production in swapping Wiggins for Pascal's production. We also get some players that could develop into something special later on i.e Kuminga. Wiggins could be held or dealt in the offseason.
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Post#779 » by Ell Curry » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:41 am

Really tempting to think about a Siakam trade after seeing Barnes get to play the 4 again and just look brilliant there. Whether it's to trade up in the draft, get some future picks like Orlando did with Vucevic or get one of the Pacers starting 5s or a scoring wing from some team without size, the more pure shooting we can surround Barnes with and have him touching the ball on every possession is tempting. He's our best all-around passer already (Van Vleet in the pick and roll but otherwise I think it's Barnes), and that's as a rookie.
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Post#780 » by bluerap23 » Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:32 pm

This trade becomes possible in February. There are some grumblings in Atlanta about Capella now (discussed on Bill Simmons Podcast). Danilo is added incentive to save them cap space next year.
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