Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[mihaic]

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In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

The Raptors got lucky with the Knicks offer. It was the perfect storm that made it happen as no other team was willing to surrender much besides highly protected draft picks. The Knicks realized that they couldnt resign Quickley to a discount, wanted to dump RJ’s contract, and had enough indications that OG would resign with them.

Masai is a lucky man, but he may enable it because he is patient. If he weren't patient he would've done a worse deal possibly.

It didn't work for Fred though.

Perhaps with Siakam, we keep him, the team improves and we get to be dangerous with the current core. Perhaps noone gives the max to Pascal or perhaps we match it and he stays as he may be happier in Toronto than with the same salary in another town.

[Rodrickle]

Obviously we still need more talent. Our offense does look better although it has been a small sample size. a really good 3&D player would be ideal in a Siakam trade, at forward in particular. No way we're getting a all star or even a potential all star at this point (Unless its a rookie with an unexpected risk to stardom). Obviously Nesmith would be great, who's on an insanely good contract. Walker has potential, so maybe that's who we'll take with whoever is the filler. It will probably make us worse short term however. But if we get some depth in the trade with that filler, maybe not too much of a drop off.

[StopitLeo]

Reaves is okay. I don’t see him being better than a bench slash fill in starter. Same as Rui. Depth players.

Why do you think Reaves can't be a regular starter? I definitely see him as a role player and not a depth player. He's smart, has good size, and can shoot and defend. I think he could slide in as our starting SG, allowing Barrett and Barnes to move to their more natural SF and PF positions. He also allows us to move on from GTJ if he is asking for too much money.

Rui is a depth player but you need those guys and he's more developed than someone like Precious for example.

Both guys are young and can be part of our new core. I get that these aren't the high-ceiling prospects we might want but you need high-floor guys on every team, especially when you already have two potential All-Stars like Barnes and Quickley.

[tecumseh18]

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In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

The Raptors got lucky with the Knicks offer. It was the perfect storm that made it happen as no other team was willing to surrender much besides highly protected draft picks. The Knicks realized that they couldnt resign Quickley to a discount, wanted to dump RJ’s contract, and had enough indications that OG would resign with them.

And Masai got lucky with the Kawhi trade. And the Ibaka trade (got him for a song a half season after OKC traded Serge for Dipo and Sabonis). And the legendary Greivis Vasquez trade (Jason Kidd had seen Vasquez play well in against his Nets team in the 2014 playoffs, and wanted him when he moved to the Bucks. What's a late first - OG - and a late 2nd (Norm) to a contending team?).

And Masai was "lucky" the Raps moved up from #7 to #4 in the 2021 lottery (actually, compensation from the league for having to play the season in Tampa). And was again lucky than in a three-player draft (Suggs was the consensus #4, but considered way behind the top 3), managed to pick the top player overall (unless you really like Sengun - there are arguments to be made).

Masai is clearly a smoke and mirrors fluke artist of the highest order. Or maybe it's that he patiently waits for opportunities before striking.

[tecumseh18]

It just occurred to me how this mirrors the 2020-21 season, when Pascal was whining to the media that with Lowry still here, the Raptor's couldn't be "Siakam's team". Now Masai and Darko have made it clear that it's Scottie's team, but Pascal and his agent won't work with other teams to facilitate a trade. I can only deduce that no other team (except perhaps the despised Sixers or Pistons) will commit to paying him the max. And with Paul George calling Pascal a "2nd or 3rd option" yesterday, that doesn't help.

No, you misunderstood Pascal's complaint. He said that he didn't feel like he had the organization's full confidence. It wasn't about Lowry being in the way. We can only speculate why he felt that way.

Correct. And I'm "speculating" that the only possible reason was that the immense lifeforce that is Lowry's booty was still hanging around.

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[ArthurVandelay]

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I hope whatever they do comes together quickly....no pun

[OakleyDokely]

For Murray, the 14-21 Hawks still owe SA:

• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

I even wonder if SA would even offer that back for him.

[JB7]

For Murray, the 14-21 Hawks still owe SA:

• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

I even wonder if SA would even offer that back for him.

Would be hilarious if he gets traded back to the Spurs, for something less than what they got from the Hawks in the first place. So SAS would ultimately get draft pick compensation from the Hawks, for the Hawks holding onto DM for a couple of years, so SAS could suck for the Wemby tank, and then SAS gets back DM on a reasonable contract.

[redraptor77]

Reaves is okay. I don’t see him being better than a bench slash fill in starter. Same as Rui. Depth players.

Why do you think Reaves can't be a regular starter? I definitely see him as a role player and not a depth player. He's smart, has good size, and can shoot and defend. I think he could slide in as our starting SG, allowing Barrett and Barnes to move to their more natural SF and PF positions. He also allows us to move on from GTJ if he is asking for too much money.

Rui is a depth player but you need those guys and he's more developed than someone like Precious for example.

Both guys are young and can be part of our new core. I get that these aren't the high-ceiling prospects we might want but you need high-floor guys on every team, especially when you already have two potential All-Stars like Barnes and Quickley.

He is decent, better than decent but I dont see him as a star or regular starter unless the players around him a certain profile. He is already 25 and to your point has good size, good shooter.. GOOD GOOD. Every opportunity he had to start he seemed to struggle. I think he is a good player. Nothing to sneeze at but I dont see him being much more than a fit type player. Fit the team and the people around him to be successful. I would want a little more than that being the main part unless picks are coming our way also,
Yes for sure Rui would be a decent depth player.
Nothing really wrong with the trade but I would hope for a little more upside. But we do lack depth

[tecumseh18]

For Murray, the 14-21 Hawks still owe SA:

• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

I even wonder if SA would even offer that back for him.

For sure. He's on such a team-friendly deal. That's important as SA builds around Wemby.

[JB7]

Not sayin ATL would ever do this.

But lets be honest Atlanta sucks and doesn't look to have much hope to contend in the coming years, we need a top young scoring guard to pair with Scottie and we have a major trade chip in Pascal

Pascal, GTJ, +3 firsts For Trae and Matthews

For Toronto this makes a ton of sense and we are instantly completive over the next 5 years, so picks are not needed. Would ATL be willing to part or do they see a path to build around Trae? IDK but I bet he demands a trade at some point and I find the fit perfect for the direction we are headed.

Now that the Raps have IQ, why would they even be interested in Trae?

[StopitLeo]

In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

The Raptors got lucky with the Knicks offer. It was the perfect storm that made it happen as no other team was willing to surrender much besides highly protected draft picks. The Knicks realized that they couldnt resign Quickley to a discount, wanted to dump RJ’s contract, and had enough indications that OG would resign with them.

Masai is a lucky man, but he may enable it because he is patient. If he weren't patient he would've done a worse deal possibly.

It didn't work for Fred though.

Perhaps with Siakam, we keep him, the team improves and we get to be dangerous with the current core. Perhaps noone gives the max to Pascal or perhaps we match it and he stays as he may be happier in Toronto than with the same salary in another town.

Front office decisions are calculated risks that consider the best, most likely, and worst case scenarios in both the short- and long-term. Luck is a HUGE factor in the ultimate outcome. To be honest, we should attribute a good amount of luck to all of Masai's success:

i) Had a conversation with Lowry about his future in the league and got lucky with him turning into the player he did.
ii) Managed to trade Bargnani and get a 1st that turned into Poeltl.
iii) Rudy trade worked out better than most expected; managed to turn Vasquez into Norm and a 1st that became OG.
iv) Agreed to trade Lowry to the Knicks only for James Dolan to kill the deal. (This one is crazy)
v) String of success with late 1st and with undrafted FAs that became All-NBA, All-Star, and All-Defensive players.
vi) Kawhi trade.
vii) Memphis agreeing to trade Gasol for CJ, Delon, JV, and a 2nd round pick (2nd round!).
viii) Selecting Barnes over Suggs.
ix) Quickley becoming available for an OG trade.

Everyone is excited for a Barnes-Quickley led team but maybe if we kept Fred and the team played well we don't look to trade OG for Quickley. Who knows. None of the possible outcomes with the Siakam situation are franchise crippling, even "losing him for nothing".

[bboyskinnylegs]

Front office decisions are calculated risks that consider the best, most likely, and worst case scenarios in both the short- and long-term. Luck is a HUGE factor in the ultimate outcome. To be honest, we should attribute a good amount of luck to all of Masai's success:

i) Had a conversation with Lowry about his future in the league and got lucky with him turning into the player he did.
ii) Managed to trade Bargnani and get a 1st that turned into Poeltl.
iii) Rudy trade worked out better than most expected; managed to turn Vasquez into Norm and a 1st that became OG.
iv) Agreed to trade Lowry to the Knicks only for James Dolan to kill the deal. (This one is crazy)
v) String of success with late 1st and with undrafted FAs that became All-NBA, All-Star, and All-Defensive players.
vi) Kawhi trade.
vii) Memphis agreeing to trade Gasol for CJ, Delon, JV, and a 2nd round pick (2nd round!).
viii) Selecting Barnes over Suggs.
ix) Quickley becoming available for an OG trade.

Everyone is excited for a Barnes-Quickley led team but maybe if we kept Fred and the team played well we don't look to trade OG for Quickley. Who knows. None of the possible outcomes with the Siakam situation are franchise crippling, even "losing him for nothing".

another wrinkle for viii, Knicks wanted our pick in that draft, we asked for RJ, they said no. Now we have both Scottie and RJ.

[StopitLeo]

The Raptors got lucky with the Knicks offer. It was the perfect storm that made it happen as no other team was willing to surrender much besides highly protected draft picks. The Knicks realized that they couldnt resign Quickley to a discount, wanted to dump RJ’s contract, and had enough indications that OG would resign with them.

And Masai got lucky with the Kawhi trade. And the Ibaka trade (got him for a song a half season after OKC traded Serge for Dipo and Sabonis). And the legendary Greivis Vasquez trade (Jason Kidd had seen Vasquez play well in against his Nets team in the 2014 playoffs, and wanted him when he moved to the Bucks. What's a late first - OG - and a late 2nd (Norm) to a contending team?).

And Masai was "lucky" the Raps moved up from #7 to #4 in the 2021 lottery (actually, compensation from the league for having to play the season in Tampa). And was again lucky than in a three-player draft (Suggs was the consensus #4, but considered way behind the top 3), managed to pick the top player overall (unless you really like Sengun - there are arguments to be made).

Masai is clearly a smoke and mirrors fluke artist of the highest order. Or maybe it's that he patiently waits for opportunities before striking.

Masai has been so successful (with luck being a part of it) that some people have completely unreasonabe expectations of what he should be able to achieve. There are literally people on the board who criticize him because Malachi Flynn—the 29th overall pick—didn't become something and that our 13th overall pick hasn't make an immediate impact as a rotation piece in his rookie year.

[ArthurVandelay]

For Murray, the 14-21 Hawks still owe SA:

• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

I even wonder if SA would even offer that back for him.

Don't forget Gallinari's corpse.

I wonder if they give back a pick and a swap plus a player like Keldon Johnson.

That would seem fair to me.

I thought one of the reasons SAS moved off him was because he was going to want a big contract. However, now that he is on a reasonable-to-team friendly extension, maybe they'd want him back?

[WuTang_CMB]

meh. I dont think DJM is a target after doing RJ/IQ deal. My guess is they go after more young upside system guys

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[ArthurVandelay]

meh

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That could be the framework, but with IQ they'd need a third team.

IQ and Murray together is too small imo.

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