Official Ochai Agbaji Thread - Welcome to Toronto, Ochai!

Post #761 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:26 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:The real test begins on Wednesday.

He played exceptionally well in the pre-season, and exceeded all expectations.

His finishing at the rim looks a lot better and he's finally knocking down some 3s.

I would say he played well for Ochai, but not well overall.

Definitely looking better but still couldn't hit shots.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #762 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:43 pm

The thing I don't get, is what's the path to him as a top five player....if he can't shoot. We would have have to move off Scottie.

So, his ceiling is 6th man.

bluerap23 · Post #763 » by **bluerap23** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:45 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:What's the over/under on games started?

He looks like the 6th starter on this team so guessing he will get about 40 starts when RJ, Gradey and Scottie miss games.

The only reason Agbaji takes even one minute from Walter is Walter is on the shelf and had no camp. Remember Ainge threw us Agbaji essentially for free. Let-s not over value a guy who might be ener bunny Hollis-Jefferson.

He started every single pre-season game. I think Walter will be in a 6th man type role by end of year, but don't be surprised if he is in the G-league once he is healthy to begin with. Missing training camp and pre-season will set him back. But don't expect him to get starts.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #764 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:51 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
He looks like the 6th starter on this team so guessing he will get about 40 starts when RJ, Gradey and Scottie miss games.

The only reason Agbaji takes even one minute from Walter is Walter is on the shelf and had no camp. Remember Ainge threw us Agbaji essentially for free. Let-s not over value a guy who might be ener bunny Hollis-Jefferson.

He started every single pre-season game. I think Walter will be in a 6th man type role by end of year, but don't be surprised if he is in the G-league once he is healthy to begin with. Missing training camp and pre-season will set him back. But don't expect him to get starts.

Some times, It's about who you know.

DreamTeam09 · Post #765 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:22 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The thing I don't get, is what's the path to him as a top five player....if he can't shoot. We would have have to move off Scottie.

So, his ceiling is 6th man.

Why does he need to be a starter for? He needs to continue being a wing defender and a dog and continue to be aggressive and finish at the rim. Hitting 3s would up him to another level but preseason he's been good and has done what's needed and should be expected

Los_29 · Post #766 » by **Los_29** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:31 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The thing I don't get, is what's the path to him as a top five player....if he can't shoot. We would have have to move off Scottie.

So, his ceiling is 6th man.

Then it’s a good thing we only gave up a late 1st rounder to get him then.

YogurtProducer · Post #767 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:44 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Seven former Raptor prospects all gone now and if we add JFL, Carlson, Ramsey and Rhoden to "former" it looks like the scouting has some issues. David Johnson was such a useless pick.

Why would we add those guys. Every team is cutting those types of players right now.

Fans have not adjusted to the fact there are 3 extra roster spots and therefore 3 additional scrubs on almost every NBA team

YogurtProducer · Post #768 » by **YogurtProducer** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:45 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The thing I don't get, is what's the path to him as a top five player....if he can't shoot. We would have have to move off Scottie.

So, his ceiling is 6th man.

Not every player on your roster HAS to be a top 5 player on your roster. Obviously you wish they all grow to that, but that is not realistic.

And, if he does reclaim his shot suddenly you do have a guy who could in theory start. Doesn't seem like the worst guy to try and develop.

ItsDanger · Post #769 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:51 pm

Agbaji has been disappointing so far here. He has 1 season to rehab his reputation or he will get passed over by new talent (especially on a rebuilding team). That's just the reality in NBA.

LoveMyRaps · Post #770 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 1:13 am

Continues to impress.

Deal is aging well.

Tripod · Post #771 » by **Tripod** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:15 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Continues to impress.

Deal is aging well.

Nice to see the improvement. Needs to keep it up over a large sample size.

Psubs · Post #772 » by **Psubs** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:54 am

Tripod wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Continues to impress.

Deal is aging well.

Nice to see the improvement. Needs to keep it up over a large sample size.

The eye test has him "getting it". He looks like he's Andrew Wiggins out there.

bonjovi0308 · Post #773 » by **bonjovi0308** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:00 am

I think Masai got lucky here. Imagine Ryan Dunn was still available at the 29th...I don't think Ochai could catch up Dunn even if he hit all strides

Tripod · Post #774 » by **Tripod** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:24 pm

Psubs wrote:
Tripod wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Continues to impress.

Deal is aging well.

Nice to see the improvement. Needs to keep it up over a large sample size.

The eye test has him "getting it". He looks like he's Andrew Wiggins out there.

Time will tell. So far isn't playing like a guy who will be out of the league like some predicted.

Development isn't just for 18-22 year olds

MEDIC · Post #775 » by **MEDIC** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:24 pm

Tripod wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Tripod wrote:Nice to see the improvement. Needs to keep it up over a large sample size.

The eye test has him "getting it". He looks like he's Andrew Wiggins out there.

Time will tell. So far isn't playing like a guy who will be out of the league like some predicted.

Development isn't just for 18-22 year olds

If anyone has done any reading on Neuroplasticity, they would know that people can improve at any point in their lives. Especially young males between 19-30 years old. Many male brains don't fully develop until they are 28-30 years old. The last area to fully develop is the prefrontal cortex which is responsible for planning, reasoning, decision making, moderating social behavior, etc.

It all depends on opportunity & how much that individual wants to work on their game. I have been watching basketball for 30+ years. There have been so many players that I thought were complete scrubs in their early 20's. Guys that I thought would be out of the league. Many of them went on to find their role in the NBA, mastered it & went on to be valuable role players on high level teams. There are quite a few Danny Green, Anthony Parker & Bruce Bowen stories. Guys that went overseas & guys that just kept grinding it out in the league.

Post #776 » by **Duffman100** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:34 pm

Nice to see him positively impacting the game. Him as guard depth with Davion, Shead, Brown would be nice.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #777 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:47 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Nice to see him positively impacting the game. Him as guard depth with Davion, Shead, Brown would be nice.

bluerap23 · Post #778 » by **bluerap23** » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:24 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:I think Masai got lucky here. Imagine Ryan Dunn was still available at the 29th...I don't think Ochai could catch up Dunn even if he hit all strides

This is ridiculous logic, even for here.

Post #779 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:37 am

bluerap23 wrote:
bonjovi0308 wrote:I think Masai got lucky here. Imagine Ryan Dunn was still available at the 29th...I don't think Ochai could catch up Dunn even if he hit all strides

This is ridiculous logic, even for here.

Masai is always lucky

Zeno · Post #780 » by **Zeno** » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:43 am

Duffman100 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
bonjovi0308 wrote:I think Masai got lucky here. Imagine Ryan Dunn was still available at the 29th...I don't think Ochai could catch up Dunn even if he hit all strides

This is ridiculous logic, even for here.

Masai is always lucky

Not only that he is expected to make the optimal pick(if Dunn even turns out to be that) with every selection. It isn’t enough even if all of Walter, Mogbo, Shead and Battle are future rotation pieces which would be historic but they need to be better than every other player selected after them.