Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[TiKusDom]

Hey, TiKusDom, oh guru with 1500 posts. Stop equating posts with knowledge. Believe or not, there's an entire world out there who know a lot about basketball but have never posted on RealGM. It's shocking, I know, but it's true.

oh yeah guy with 20 k posts , ill take ur word and not equate ur posts with knowledge , there are ppl with 20 k posts who have no idea wtf they are talking about. jk

but seriously, u cant tell he's baiting me? get off my back and go find another just cause to advocate

p.s. thanks for the enlightenment

[fredericklove]

wrong

009-10 37 33.486 15.459 46.4 29.4 82.9 1.676 8.243 0.811 1.081

2009-10 37 34.811 16.649 46.1 32.5 75.4 6.514 4.297 0.514 1.784

um no, no one said winning was the only factor, again another straw man argument.... and based on stats alone comparing wall to hayward you would go with wall. are things that hard to understand?

Lol u still don't get it, you were putting so much emphasis on the "winning" and "center of the offense" concept, even obviously they're not the only factors alone to assess the prospect like everyone here on the board knows already. Thats why I used wall vs. hayward's as example of the factors u were pointing out at. But good for you to go through their stats here, u must be proud of your chad ford-like approach *applause* clap clap.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Hey, TiKusDom, oh guru with 1500 posts. Stop equating posts with knowledge. Believe or not, there's an entire world out there who know a lot about basketball but have never posted on RealGM. It's shocking, I know, but it's true.

Thank-you.

I don't see how having very few posts has anything to do with my overall knowledge of basketball.

[TiKusDom]

Lol u still don't get it, you were putting so much emphasis on the "winning" and "center of the offense" concept, even obviously they're not the only factors alone to assess the prospect like everyone here on the board knows already. Thats why I used wall vs. hayward's as example of the factors u were pointing out at. But good for you to go through their stats here, u must be proud of your chad ford-like approach *applause* clap clap.

did u think of the fact that KY had a much harder schedule and confrence

[TiKusDom]

Lol u still don't get it, you were putting so much emphasis on the "winning" and "center of the offense" concept, even obviously they're not the only factors alone to assess the prospect like everyone here on the board knows already. Thats why I used wall vs. hayward's as example of the factors u were pointing out at. But good for you to go through their stats here, u must be proud of your chad ford-like approach *applause* clap clap.

did u think of the fact that KY had a much harder schedule and conference, and no one was putting uber emphasis on winning, i pointed out the fact that every game mentioned was victory for Knight, bar UCONN, pointing to a hole in the argument presented. However u seem obsessed with underwriting other people with straw man arguments they didnt even make

[MEDIC]

Uggghhhhh, what a terrible draft. We better win 1st or 2nd pick. We're screwed if we don't.

We've got the 3rd worst record in the NBA & we're arguing about whether of not to draft Brandon frickin Knight (an undersized shooting guard with poor playmaking skills, ball handling skills & an overrated jump shot).

Sad.

For me at this point it's:

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Kanter (if he performs well in pre-draft)
4. Jonas V.
5. Biyombo
6. Terrence Jones

I'd rather take a major project like Jonas V. & hope he pans out than take any of these 2nd tier PG's.

[BlackIce]

Agreed, let Bayless develop and take a big. Biyombo looks intriguing, curious to see how Kanter measures up.

[MinnyMo]

Agreed, let Bayless develop and take a big. Biyombo looks intriguing, curious to see how Kanter measures up.

Yupp, If we don't get top two, take Biyombo and hope for the best. Tank again for 2012, take Kabongo as our PG. Then we would definitely have the most coolest names on one team

[FluLikeSymptoms]

They make kids go to college for a year so teams WON'T draft a guy like Knight in the top 3.

Imagine where high school kids would be ranked in this awful draft and what the expectations of them would be. Where would Anthony Davis go? 3rd? Half the projected lotto would be out of high school, just because they haven't had a chance to play themselves out of it.

BK would of gone top 5 in the draft if he could have declared out of high school

That's my point. He then went to college and proved he wasn't worth that high of a pick, even a with a year of development, let alone top 3. Thanks, NBA.

He's probably the best combo guard in the draft, possibly an NBA rotation player, but no thanks.

[TiKusDom]

That's my point. He then went to college and proved he wasn't worth that high of a pick, even a with a year of development, let alone top 3. Thanks, NBA.

He's probably the best combo guard in the draft, possibly an NBA rotation player, but no thanks.

i dont get how you can say hes not worth a top 5 pick? an 18 year old , with excellent athleticism, amazing work ethic, top notch credentials since high school,great references from his previous leading his team further than wall or rondo.. this is a cant miss prospect. I guarantee you after workouts he is solidified as a top 7 pick. Seriously , how many 18 year old prospects do you know, that have had that kind of impact on a university program ? I advocated drafting DeRozan from the first stages of the draft process, I see the same kind of makeup in Knight that I did in DeRozan. He will be a very good player in the NBA for any team that needs a guard. Am I saying draft him third, not necessarily? depends on the workouts, but if raptors slide down to 4 or 5, you gotta take a chance on this kid. He has proven to be just an amazing performer under pressure and the spotlight, he has been a top level performer since high school, in every way.

almost every updated mock has him going top 5. draftxpress , nbadraft, im not the only person seeing this, i dont understand why other people dont catch on .

[MEDIC]

Agreed, let Bayless develop and take a big. Biyombo looks intriguing, curious to see how Kanter measures up.

Yupp, If we don't get top two, take Biyombo and hope for the best. Tank again for 2012, take Kabongo as our PG. Then we would definitely have the most coolest names on one team

Yeah, I guess there are less questions about Biyombo at this point than Jonas Valanciunas.

If Jonas doesn't participate in any of the pre-draft camps, he'll be a massive risk.

At least with Biyombo, we know:

- He has the length to compete at the C position in the NBA
- He has the athleticism to compete
- He's got no fear
- He's got a strong build & could easily put on more muscle/ strength

He's just as much a project as Jonas is, but we really have no idea if Jonas can compete athletically against NBA players & we have no idea if he'll be able to put on the size/ strength needed to compete.

[Strategist1]

Kanter seriously worries me because of his knees. Plus, reading their reports, he seems to have just average athleticism and foot speed. He also seems to not have the length (in arms/wingspan) to be a true force in the paint.

I'd take Valanciunas over Kanter.

Valanciunas and Biyombo for me.... If Biyombo is intense/fierce like the scouting reports say, then the edge would go to Biyombo for me. However, things can change depending on how the workouts go.

[daner01]

Kanter seriously worries me because of his knees. Plus, reading their reports, he seems to have just average athleticism and foot speed. He also seems to not have the length (in arms/wingspan) to be a true force in the paint.

I'd take Valanciunas over Kanter.

Valanciunas and Biyombo for me.... If Biyombo is intense/fierce like the scouting reports say, then the edge would go to Biyombo for me. However, things can change depending on how the workouts go.

I'm not worried about our centre lacking in athleticism if he makes up for it in strength and force. The Raptors need a strong presence in the paint as we've been lacking in the department for some time.

[RapsRebuilder]

Hearing Barnes is going back to UNC was disappointing, but everything I'm reading about Bismack has me very excited. His profile on Draft Express makes him seem like the perfect player for the Raps. They compare his passion with Noah and his athleticism is off the charts.

Does anyone else know much about him? I know he's a project, but he's only 19 and he seems to bring exactly the kind of skills this team needs.

Maybe Bismack can save this draft for us.

[Rapsfan07]

If its not Irving or D-Will and Kanter doesn't measure up, we need to move the pick. Val has a chance too if he looks good enough in workouts as a legit NBA C. Other than that, trade it BC.

[Raconteur]

I agree. He is a very interesting prospect... some people are even saying he's only 17 years old. However according to scouting reports he might a long term project. Would be interesting if he pans out. Incredible physical specimen.

[Raps in 4]

He could also be 25. But he's definitely a more intriguing pick than Kanter or Valanciunas.

[PapeSowish]

his wingpsan is ridiculous, 7'7 (javale mcgees is 7'6). At only 6'9, his mobility is a thing of beauty too. just a freak of a prospect. plus, with a name like BISMACK BIYOMBO, how could you go wrong?

best case: Ben Wallace
worst case: Joel Anthony

[Silk Wilkes]

his wingpsan is ridiculous, 7'7 (javale mcgees is 7'6). At only 6'9, his mobility is a thing of beauty too. just a freak of a prospect. plus, with a name like BISMACK BIYOMBO, how could you go wrong?

best case: Ben Wallace
worst case: Joel Anthony

Javale is a 7 footer with that wingspan, Bismack is not. And you can go seriously wrong with a name like that, think Boniface N'Dong.

[MinnyMo]

his wingpsan is ridiculous, 7'7 (javale mcgees is 7'6). At only 6'9, his mobility is a thing of beauty too. just a freak of a prospect. plus, with a name like BISMACK BIYOMBO, how could you go wrong?

best case: Ben Wallace
worst case: Joel Anthony

Javale is a 7 footer with that wingspan, Bismack is not. And you can go seriously wrong with a name like that, think Boniface N'Dong.

Who cares he Javale is a 7 footer, you don't block or contest shots with your head....