2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Dukenukem23]

I drafted Clint Capela for us on the general NBA draft board, hope that makes the majority happy. I think he's a great fit next to Val and a piece we have sorely missed since the Camby days. He's the mos athletic big in this draft by a mile, already an incredible rebounder and shot blocker so he will get mins on that alone right away. My hope is that he turns into a Serge Ibaka type. Great long term potential with the Swiss product.

'Swiss product' - looks funny as Swiss are terrible at basketball. Of course Capela is an exception.

he is not, Capela is terrible at bball right now and just merely a project.

he is a borderline 1st rounder, if Toronto picks him at 20 they will be making a major reach.
Toronto could easily find a better talent at 20, and a better project, Payton, Hood, Grant, Anderson and Porzingis, could be there at 20, some of them will, all are better projects than Clint.
Ennis, Napier, Adams, Hairston, Warren, Inglis and Payne will be there too and I will pick all of them before Capela too.

Please explain to us how Grant would be a better pick than Capela this one I have to hear.

[Risk101]

'Swiss product' - looks funny as Swiss are terrible at basketball. Of course Capela is an exception.

he is not, Capela is terrible at bball right now and just merely a project.

he is a borderline 1st rounder, if Toronto picks him at 20 they will be making a major reach.
Toronto could easily find a better talent at 20, and a better project, Payton, Hood, Grant, Anderson and Porzingis, could be there at 20, some of them will, all are better projects than Clint.
Ennis, Napier, Adams, Hairston, Warren, Inglis and Payne will be there too and I will pick all of them before Capela too.

Please explain to us how Grant would be a better pick than Capela this one I have to hear.

I remember you sticking up for Kyle Anderson bro and said some things about Capela. I'm happy your finally on the Capela bandwagon!

Jerami Grant has tweener written all over him btw. He looks like an Aminu clone. No thank you.

Capela has the same measurements as Anthony Davis if anyone was wondering

[m83588333]

A tweener is a player that can't defend 3 or 4 and is undersized at the 4 and too unskilled for the 3. Joey Graham was a tweener but Jerami Grant is a raw 3. Drafting him means having a tradable asset in the future. Most of the other guys will be useful their rookie season or busts since their ceiling are about what mid level free agents are. Giannis is still raw but likely worth a pick #4 up in this years draft. There arent many guys 6'8" with 7'+ wingspans that are quick enough at the 3, except for Wiggins. Grant, Anderson, Porzingus and Inglis and possibly Capela are the only guys that will be worth something next season even if they don't play. Guys like Perry Jones, Moe Harkless, Otto Porter are tradable even though they haven't done anything.

[BillyGM]

TJ Warren vs Jabari Parker. Don't laugh yet. Let's think this through. How big a talent gap is there? It's substantial obviously but have a look at both DX vids again back to back just for fun.

This is the Pierce vs Mashburn comparison over the first decade of their careers. As you can see, their raw counting stats weren't far off but Pierce was just better at doing everything that made Mashburn a special college player. Pierce was more efficient. Warren has some game to him and intriguing size and he has some strengths and weaknesses not totally unlike that of Parker. The question is therefore how much worse are his strengths, right?

As I mentioned before, Warren reminds me of the type of guy who would have gone in the lotto in the 1990s. He played in the same conference as Parker with far less complimentary help and put up similar counting stats on worse TS% because he shoots the 3 ball worse. He's also only a year older. They have the same size. They can both grab a board and go end to end. They both get to the line at a good rate. They both have tweener defensive weakness concerns. They both are naturals. The biggest difference is that Parker does everything Warren does at that next level and his 3 pointer is far better. Oddly enough, they both bring the ball down near their waist before shooting a 3, but Warren's drops further. Neither showed great perimeter D or passing ability.

In private workouts Warren's 3 looks much better and to hear him tell it during his combine interview he knows he can shoot it better than he showed in games. Leading that NC State team caused him to go hero mode a little too often at times because that's what they needed but perhaps in a lesser role, like a third scorer role, his efficiency would increase and you could simplify a role for him?

So, what do you think? Is a less efficient, less athletic, lower ceiling (75% version) Parker-type of SF not a bad get at 20? What if his 3 does reach that 35% range because he wasn't taking on so much usage and seeing so much defensive pressure? Would being drafted at 20 humble him? Would seeing Ross on D and coming to a defensive team like ours sharpen his perimeter D? Can he be groomed into an interesting SF?

I love his size for the position. I see some naturalistic talent. I think he will get better. Can he be a 15.5-16.0 PER SF in his prime whereas Parker projects to be a 20.0+ type? Caron Butler, a guy that I've seen Warren compared to, also was in that range. That's compelling value at 20, no? Given the lack of big SFs around the league wouldn't he become an interesting piece of trade bait down the road? Again, I'm just spitballing ideas here. I watched their DX videos back-to-back and became a little more intrigued by Warren because of it. If you haven't done so maybe try it now. There's a difference obviously but I think you may come away more impressed by Warren regardless. That, or you may think a little less of Parker as a team's best player. Either way... It's interesting.

Word is if Boston doesn't get Parker or Wiggins there is no way Warren drops below 17th
For me if we get either Hood or Warren would mean that luck is on our side. We can get defensive minded SF in second round easily but there is no way Hood or Warren drops to second round. Rodney seems like safer pick because he isn't a tweener. However, both would be great.
On some forums I read that Warren fixed his three pointer and was shooting way higher percentage at the end of the season.

[BillyGM]

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btw would be great if Draftexpress made video analysis of Josh Huestis. Currently there's none. On the internet it's only possible to find short videos of him dunking or blocking shots.

He has same afro like Childress (both went to Stanford too).

So he asked for advise from Josh Childress and Landry Fields as they all went to Stanford.

Fields and Childress both are good defenders. I believe Huestis will be too.

Childress was 6th pick; Fields was 39th pick; Huestis is currently projected to go undrafted.
Huestis has best physical tools out of all of them meaning that he could be even better defender then Childress or Fields.

In their last year at Stanford their averages per 40 were
Childress 21 ppg 48.8 FG% 10.1 rpg 3.6 apg 1.2 spg 2.2 bpg
Fields 24.3 ppg 49 FG% 9.6 rpg 3.1 apg 1.8 spg 0.9 bpg
Huestis 12.7 ppg 45.1 FG% 9.3 rpg 1.4 apg 0.7 spg 2.2 bpg
Their PER were:
Childress 27.7
Fields 29.5
Huestis 17.6

Seems like Huestis is least talented scorer and passer out of them (neither Childress or Fields are good at scoring, kinda scary to think what Huestis would be). He is probably slower then Childress and Fields.

Overall, he's worth 59th pick.

Obviously you don't know Dwight Powell went to Stanford as well and put up much better numbers and he is a Canadian. Why the hell would you take anyone else than Bachynski at 59th ideal back-up for Jonas.

Because Huestis has the potential to be elite defender and has all the physical tools for SF? I mentioned this before, I believe that Bachynski will be drafted way higher then 59th. 7' 2" centers who can move like that don't go 59th. He can go late first round to a playoff team or early second round.
And when I say that Huestis is interesting prospect at 59th that doesn't mean that I don't have other options. Yeah, Dwight Powell and Bachynski would be at my list too, even higher but chances are they end up drafted higher.

[m83588333]

The depth of this draft may push some guys to go undrafted. There maybe some quality role players that go undrafted

[BillyGM]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

Bigs take longer to develop so his age doesn't mean sh*t. I'm sure GMs gonna acknowledge that and he'll be drafted late 1st round or early 2nd round.
We should use our 37th pick to draft him.
Combination of Tyler Ennis and Jordan Bachynski would make a lot of people in Toronto happy I guess.

[sweetcity]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

[sweetcity]

CJ Fair at 59 could be interesting

[Indeed]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

[sweetcity]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

fair enough, so bascially what your saying is Amir and Paterson are the ideal PF's to play with JV. I guess Payne would fit the mold as well

[Raptorfan2012]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

Bigs take longer to develop so his age doesn't mean sh*t. I'm sure GMs gonna acknowledge that and he'll be drafted late 1st round or early 2nd round.
We should use our 37th pick to draft him.
Combination of Tyler Ennis and Jordan Bachynski would make a lot of people in Toronto happy I guess.

Jordan will almost surely NOT go in the first round. In fact, there is a better chance he is going to go undrafted than the Raptors picking him up at 59. Jordan does not show up on any of the major mock drafts (at least not currently).

[Indeed]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

fair enough, so bascially what your saying is Amir and Paterson are the ideal PF's to play with JV. I guess Payne would fit the mold as well

Payne and Porginzis would be better fit.

Amir is an underrated passer, this is why we had a lot of success with Jonas and Amir. But Amir can't stretch the floor, which forced him to hit the long range 2 or 3.

Patterson helps space the floor much better, and it is easier for Jonas to post up without the other big doubling at him. He can also have more freedom to move from left to right low block with Patterson on the perimeter.

[Roland Brice]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

It's not just about the offense. Capela would be the rim protector on defense since Jonas isn't the defender he's supposed to be yet. If Capela can add a jumper like Serge Ibaka did he'd be fine beside Jonas. However, I'd doubt Capela is available at our pick with teams seeing the value of Ibaka against San Antonio.

[Indeed]

I like Capela as a future PF to play with JV. I think we need to decide whats happening with Paterson and Vasquez.

I have a feeling that if Elfrid Payton is on the board thats who we are taking

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

It's not just about the offense. Capela would be the rim protector on defense since Jonas isn't the defender he's supposed to be yet. If Capela can add a jumper like Serge Ibaka did he'd be fine beside Jonas. However, I'd doubt Capela is available at our pick with teams seeing the value of Ibaka against San Antonio.

I think our problem is offense, so I don't think rim protector is the primary concern. Besides, it doesn't help against stretch bigs when Capela is guarding someone outside.

Remember, we are losing to the Nets not because we don't have a rim protector, but we need an actual perimeter defender who is big enough against SF/PF. Even we past the Nets, it will happen against the Heats with the lack of 3+D at SF and PF.

[BillyGM]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

Bigs take longer to develop so his age doesn't mean sh*t. I'm sure GMs gonna acknowledge that and he'll be drafted late 1st round or early 2nd round.
We should use our 37th pick to draft him.
Combination of Tyler Ennis and Jordan Bachynski would make a lot of people in Toronto happy I guess.

Jordan will almost surely NOT go in the first round. In fact, there is a better chance he is going to go undrafted than the Raptors picking him up at 59. Jordan does not show up on any of the major mock drafts (at least not currently).

Miles Plumlee was projected to go undrafted at same time in the draft, but he was darfted late first round by Pacers (playoff teams needs immediate impact)

[Mikistan]

For how many years of Colangelo ball did we suffer with no young talent.
No rookies to look forward to - to watch develop over the season.

I don't care who we draft, as long as they have a good head and are ready to put in the work and be part of a winning culture.

Jonas and Ross developing has been the highlight of my season; playoffs were a bonus.

You go BPA in the first round for sure - do your due diligence in case people drop and then pick people who you think fit in the second round IMO

[pspot]

For how many years of Colangelo ball did we suffer with no young talent.
No rookies to look forward to - to watch develop over the season.

I don't care who we draft, as long as they have a good head and are ready to put in the work and be part of a winning culture.

Jonas and Ross developing has been the highlight of my season; playoffs were a bonus.

You go BPA in the first round for sure - do your due diligence in case people drop and then pick people who you think fit in the second round IMO

ironically both drafted by Colangelo

and both criticized by fans and media when he made those choices

[Roland Brice]

Capela and Jonas together means there is no scoring opportunity for Jonas.
If Jonas is a low post player, it is best for him to have a high post or stretch big. Neither Capela nor Jonas are good passer to play the high post, which will not work.

It's not just about the offense. Capela would be the rim protector on defense since Jonas isn't the defender he's supposed to be yet. If Capela can add a jumper like Serge Ibaka did he'd be fine beside Jonas. However, I'd doubt Capela is available at our pick with teams seeing the value of Ibaka against San Antonio.

I think our problem is offense, so I don't think rim protector is the primary concern. Besides, it doesn't help against stretch bigs when Capela is guarding someone outside.

Remember, we are losing to the Nets not because we don't have a rim protector, but we need an actual perimeter defender who is big enough against SF/PF. Even we past the Nets, it will happen against the Heats with the lack of 3+D at SF and PF.

A perimeter is definitely a need, but if Capela is the best player available we have to take him and get a perimeter defender elsewhere. Our problem offensively is more than just a 3+D guy, we need another creator in the starting lineup who just happens to defend well, so he'll be tough to find.

[Double Helix]

Finally, spent some more time looking at Spencer Dimwiddie. If you look at his pace adjusted minutes they're really interesting. He's very talented. When I imagine his NBA impact I'm imagining a Lou Williams type of 6th man impact and there's definitely value in that. Tight handle. 0.67 true shooting percentage and capable of pull-up 3s. Good pick and roll guy who can make you pay either way. He can create for teammates. He's not explosive but he's really smooth and cerebral out there.

He'd be a nice second round pick.