Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Brinbe]

Again, if you can’t see Scottie’s potential at this point, I don’t know what to say. He is far and away the most naturally talented player on this team. Of course Fred and Siakam are better than him right now. Anybody who thinks different is out to lunch. But, Scottie has an unreal template to work with given his physical profile, processing speed, competitiveness and winning mentality. If our only sticking point for this guy is he can’t make a midrange jumper consistently yet, if THAT is the thing that stands between being a high level role player and a perennial all-star, then it truly surprises me that some of y’all ain’t higher on him than you are. It is surprisingly easy to develop a midrange jumper, especially for a guy who creates space so well in that range already.

Of course there’s a reality in which the jumper never comes around but there’s a lot of evidence pointing to it happening.

Barnes has had probably about 20 instances in his career so far where he’s been the best player on the floor for at least an entire quarter, regardless of competition. Oh and he also tends to do this when it’s needed the most.

The talent and ceiling is clear.

Yep and people also forget he's only 21. If he were 24/25 and showing this degree of inconsistency that's perhaps one thing but there's still many levels/years still left in his developmental journey. The one dude in this org that we need to have patience with.

And even then we need to be a bit realistic about our expectations.

Is Scottie gonna ever be a Kawhi-like A1 superstar that you expect to shoulder all the load game in and game out? I think he can have good spurts like many good players but I don't think that's really what he is. There's only a handful of those guys that exist. It's a disservice to him to sht on him for not meeting those unrealistic expectations.

But is he a solid all-around player who all is about the team and making his teammates better? He already is that guy. Just being a smarter and more efficient version of that dude down the line is a valuable commodity.

We'll see that even more if/when he ever gets to play with better talent.

[TorontoBarneys]

He needs to be the undisputed 3rd option next season at the very least.

[XTC]

One thing I can't get over is Scotties passivness from quarters 1-3, and then his ability to explode in the 4th. The dude is our leading scorer in the fourth quarter this year at 5.2 PPG.

In the fourth quarter his stats are the following

MPG: 9.5
PPG: 5.2
RPG: 1.8
APG: 1.2
PER 36: 19.7/6.8/4.6

Dude is playing amazing in the fourth quarter this season, and seems unstoppable at times. His play in quarters 1-3 tells a different story.

Quarter 1 (#6 leading scorer on the team)
MPG: 9.2
PPG: 4.0
RPG: 2.0
APG: 1.4
PER 36: 15.6/7.8/5.5

Quarter 2 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.0
PPG: 3.2
RPG: 1.3
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 14.4/5.9/5.0

Quarter 3 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.8
PPG: 3.4
RPG: 1.9
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 13.9/7.8/4.5

The eye test confirms the stats. Hes often the fifth option on the floor from quarters 1-3, to only become more aggressive/look for his shot in the 4th. It's quite frustrating, because we need more 4th quarter Scottie for this team to take the leap. He's essentially a junkyard dog in quarters 1-3, and then playing at near allstar level in the 4th.

We Need Scottie to be more aggressive. Dude has been our best player when we need him most. Once Scottie matures and starts looking for his own shot, he's going to be unstopabble.

[hype_2004]

One thing I can't get over is Scotties passivness from quarters 1-3, and then his ability to explode in the 4th. The dude is our leading scorer in the fourth quarter this year at 5.2 PPG.

In the fourth quarter his stats are the following

MPG: 9.5
PPG: 5.2
RPG: 1.8
APG: 1.2
PER 36: 19.7/6.8/4.6

Dude is playing amazing in the fourth quarter this season, and seems unstoppable at times. His play in quarters 1-3 tells a different story.

Quarter 1 (#6 leading scorer on the team)
MPG: 9.2
PPG: 4.0
RPG: 2.0
APG: 1.4
PER 36: 15.6/7.8/5.5

Quarter 2 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.0
PPG: 3.2
RPG: 1.3
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 14.4/5.9/5.0

Quarter 3 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.8
PPG: 3.4
RPG: 1.9
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 13.9/7.8/4.5

The eye test confirms the stats. Hes often the fifth option on the floor from quarters 1-3, to only become more aggressive/look for his shot in the 4th. It's quite frustrating, because we need more 4th quarter Scottie for this team to take the leap. He's essentially a junkyard dog in quarters 1-3, and then playing at near allstar level in the 4th.

We Need Scottie to be more aggressive. Dude has been our best player when we need him most. Once Scottie matures and starts looking for his own shot, he's going to be unstopabble.

2 words pecking order

[Tha Cynic]

Barnes has a switch that goes on and pulls out superstar moves no one else on this team can make. From what I've seen, he has a bigger bag of offensive tricks than anyone else on the team. He just doesn't use them consistently. It's pretty exciting the things he has shown in 2023 so far. He's definitely expanding his game in the mid range area and he's doing it in a way that isn't mechanical like Siakam, which will go a long way in helping him become a more natural scorer.

The Poeltl trade has also benefited Barnes a ton like I thought. It has forced Siakam and FVV to play a more mature and unselfish game and has given Barnes another unselfish player to play off. They're starting to develop some nice chemistry.

I said it in another thread, but even if you trade Siakam and FVV, Poeltl is a good fit next to Barnes. They are very similar in how they see the game.

[Los_29]

Barnes has a switch that goes on and pulls out superstar moves no one else on this team can make. From what I've seen, he has a bigger bag of offensive tricks than anyone else on the team. He just doesn't use them consistently. It's pretty exciting the things he has shown in 2023 so far. He's definitely expanding his game in the mid range area and he's doing it in a way that isn't mechanical like Siakam, which will go a long way in helping him become a more natural scorer.

The Poeltl trade has also benefited Barnes a ton like I thought. It has forced Siakam and FVV to play a more mature and unselfish game and has given Barnes another unselfish player to play off. They're starting to develop some nice chemistry.

I said it in another thread, but even if you trade Siakam and FVV, Poeltl is a good fit next to Barnes. They are very similar in how they see the game.

That's literally one of his biggest weaknesses.

[Tha Cynic]

Barnes has a switch that goes on and pulls out superstar moves no one else on this team can make. From what I've seen, he has a bigger bag of offensive tricks than anyone else on the team. He just doesn't use them consistently. It's pretty exciting the things he has shown in 2023 so far. He's definitely expanding his game in the mid range area and he's doing it in a way that isn't mechanical like Siakam, which will go a long way in helping him become a more natural scorer.

The Poeltl trade has also benefited Barnes a ton like I thought. It has forced Siakam and FVV to play a more mature and unselfish game and has given Barnes another unselfish player to play off. They're starting to develop some nice chemistry.

I said it in another thread, but even if you trade Siakam and FVV, Poeltl is a good fit next to Barnes. They are very similar in how they see the game.

That's literally one of his biggest weaknesses.

Being inefficient and not refined offensively are his biggest weaknesses. He has a lot of tools and clearly has a lot of tricks he can refine. We're starting to see more now that he has been pushed to the perimeter more and has a good big man teams can't just leave.

He is also starting to knock down tough jumpers more consistently, like fadeaways, turnarounds and even jumpers on the move. He actually struggles more on the more mechanical easier looking ones.

It helps that FVV and Siakam aren't always looking for their own offense more.

[Brinbe]

Think a lot of the miscues/general inconsistencies are things that you can pin on him being still being a relatively inexperienced 21-year-old. But he's continually growing, learning and expanding from game to game. By far the best part of following this team right now. He's still continually testing/exploring the borders of what he can and can't do out there. And you can see he often surprises himself with the things he pulls off. Like those two tough post fades on consecutive possessions.

So much good there. The obvious hope is that as he matures he eventually irons out the rough edges in his game that pop up from time to time. But you live with that a bit because he plays with such joy. Really reminds me of Steph in certain ways.

[Chandan]

Again, if you can’t see Scottie’s potential at this point, I don’t know what to say. He is far and away the most naturally talented player on this team. Of course Fred and Siakam are better than him right now. Anybody who thinks different is out to lunch. But, Scottie has an unreal template to work with given his physical profile, processing speed, competitiveness and winning mentality. If our only sticking point for this guy is he can’t make a midrange jumper consistently yet, if THAT is the thing that stands between being a high level role player and a perennial all-star, then it truly surprises me that some of y’all ain’t higher on him than you are. It is surprisingly easy to develop a midrange jumper, especially for a guy who creates space so well in that range already.

Of course there’s a reality in which the jumper never comes around but there’s a lot of evidence pointing to it happening.

Barnes has had probably about 20 instances in his career so far where he’s been the best player on the floor for at least an entire quarter, regardless of competition. Oh and he also tends to do this when it’s needed the most.

The talent and ceiling is clear.

Yep and people also forget he's only 21. If he were 24/25 and showing this degree of inconsistency that's perhaps one thing but there's still many levels/years still left in his developmental journey. The one dude in this org that we need to have patience with.

And even then we need to be a bit realistic about our expectations.

Is Scottie gonna ever be a Kawhi-like A1 superstar that you expect to shoulder all the load game in and game out? I think he can have good spurts like many good players but I don't think that's really what he is. There's only a handful of those guys that exist. It's a disservice to him to sht on him for not meeting those unrealistic expectations.

But is he a solid all-around player who all is about the team and making his teammates better? He already is that guy. Just being a smarter and more efficient version of that dude down the line is a valuable commodity.

We'll see that even more if/when he ever gets to play with better talent.

yeah if you look at his short career so far, there isn't really much to be concerned about. He's literally just working things out.

All evidence shown that he's an impact player and that he earns all his stats (when he plays well his PLUS/MINUS is usually team high) instead of being some empty calories player. When he can get up to something like 19/7/5 consistently he's going to have a very positive effect on the floor every night.

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[nikster]

One thing I can't get over is Scotties passivness from quarters 1-3, and then his ability to explode in the 4th. The dude is our leading scorer in the fourth quarter this year at 5.2 PPG.

In the fourth quarter his stats are the following

MPG: 9.5
PPG: 5.2
RPG: 1.8
APG: 1.2
PER 36: 19.7/6.8/4.6

Dude is playing amazing in the fourth quarter this season, and seems unstoppable at times. His play in quarters 1-3 tells a different story.

Quarter 1 (#6 leading scorer on the team)
MPG: 9.2
PPG: 4.0
RPG: 2.0
APG: 1.4
PER 36: 15.6/7.8/5.5

Quarter 2 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.0
PPG: 3.2
RPG: 1.3
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 14.4/5.9/5.0

Quarter 3 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.8
PPG: 3.4
RPG: 1.9
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 13.9/7.8/4.5

The eye test confirms the stats. Hes often the fifth option on the floor from quarters 1-3, to only become more aggressive/look for his shot in the 4th. It's quite frustrating, because we need more 4th quarter Scottie for this team to take the leap. He's essentially a junkyard dog in quarters 1-3, and then playing at near allstar level in the 4th.

We Need Scottie to be more aggressive. Dude has been our best player when we need him most. Once Scottie matures and starts looking for his own shot, he's going to be unstopabble.

2 words pecking order

Makes no sense for the pecking order to disappear in the 4th. If anything thats when I would expect it to be even more rigid

[BetterCallSaul]

Scottie finding confidence in his mid-range looks while winning games is beautiful. I hope he spends all summer refining his footwork, pull ups and fadeaways.

[Tha Cynic]

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Exactly what I mentioned earlier. No one else on the team can pull these moves off like he can. He's doing fadeaways turning both ways now and looking smooth, hitting all net.

Amazing how much he's able to improve in season with these moves and shots.

Needs more reps!

[hype_2004]

One thing I can't get over is Scotties passivness from quarters 1-3, and then his ability to explode in the 4th. The dude is our leading scorer in the fourth quarter this year at 5.2 PPG.

In the fourth quarter his stats are the following

MPG: 9.5
PPG: 5.2
RPG: 1.8
APG: 1.2
PER 36: 19.7/6.8/4.6

Dude is playing amazing in the fourth quarter this season, and seems unstoppable at times. His play in quarters 1-3 tells a different story.

Quarter 1 (#6 leading scorer on the team)
MPG: 9.2
PPG: 4.0
RPG: 2.0
APG: 1.4
PER 36: 15.6/7.8/5.5

Quarter 2 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.0
PPG: 3.2
RPG: 1.3
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 14.4/5.9/5.0

Quarter 3 (#6 leading scorer)
MPG: 8.8
PPG: 3.4
RPG: 1.9
APG: 1.1
PER 36: 13.9/7.8/4.5

The eye test confirms the stats. Hes often the fifth option on the floor from quarters 1-3, to only become more aggressive/look for his shot in the 4th. It's quite frustrating, because we need more 4th quarter Scottie for this team to take the leap. He's essentially a junkyard dog in quarters 1-3, and then playing at near allstar level in the 4th.

We Need Scottie to be more aggressive. Dude has been our best player when we need him most. Once Scottie matures and starts looking for his own shot, he's going to be unstopabble.

2 words pecking order

Makes no sense for the pecking order to disappear in the 4th. If anything thats when I would expect it to be even more rigid

Disappear? Scottie does his most damage in the 4th where Siakam already got his stats in the first 3 quarters and defer to Scottie because he cowers under pressure. Some guy here posts his stats and he's leading the team in points and clutch buckets in the 4th quarter, again wtf you talking about?

[hype_2004]

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Exactly what I mentioned earlier. No one else on the team can pull these moves off like he can. He's doing fadeaways turning both ways now and looking smooth, hitting all net.

Amazing how much he's able to improve in season with these moves and shots.

Needs more reps!

You mean more usage and shots, his mid range is looking like money aside from that he can also bully and abuse weak defenders down low with force and not finesse like Siakam. He will soon get the respect of the league and will open our offense, now we got to get more 3 and D guys in the offseason, need to get rid of Siakam, get young players and picks to complement Scottie.

[Los_29]

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Makes no sense for the pecking order to disappear in the 4th. If anything thats when I would expect it to be even more rigid

Disappear? Scottie does his most damage in the 4th where Siakam already got his stats in the first 3 quarters and defer to Scottie because he cowers under pressure. Some guy here posts his stats and he's leading the team in points and clutch buckets in the 4th quarter, again wtf you talking about?

What are you implying here?

You say Pascal cowers under pressure and yet he's won a championship as a team's #2 scorer and scored the game winning basket in game 6.

Building a team around a 6'8 forward with a 52% TS% is a horrible idea. Scottie hasn't shown anything yet to warrant having a team built around him.

[dTox]

Makes no sense for the pecking order to disappear in the 4th. If anything thats when I would expect it to be even more rigid

Disappear? Scottie does his most damage in the 4th where Siakam already got his stats in the first 3 quarters and defer to Scottie because he cowers under pressure. Some guy here posts his stats and he's leading the team in points and clutch buckets in the 4th quarter, again wtf you talking about?

What are you implying here?

You say Pascal cowers under pressure and yet he's won a championship as a team's #2 scorer and scored the game winning basket in game 6.

Building a team around a 6'8 forward with a 52% TS% is a horrible idea. Scottie hasn't shown anything yet to warrant having a team built around him.

You do realize Siakam has a career 52.9% TS% during the playoffs right? Playing next to Kawhi will inflate anyone's TS% as the number 2 option, come on man this is clear bias against Scott, especially when you use the exact same number to put down one player, while ignoring it for the other. And I think Siakam is a bonafide #2 option, I got nothing against him.

[Los_29]

Disappear? Scottie does his most damage in the 4th where Siakam already got his stats in the first 3 quarters and defer to Scottie because he cowers under pressure. Some guy here posts his stats and he's leading the team in points and clutch buckets in the 4th quarter, again wtf you talking about?

What are you implying here?

You say Pascal cowers under pressure and yet he's won a championship as a team's #2 scorer and scored the game winning basket in game 6.

Building a team around a 6'8 forward with a 52% TS% is a horrible idea. Scottie hasn't shown anything yet to warrant having a team built around him.

You do realize Siakam has a career 52.9% TS% during the playoffs right? Playing next to Kawhi will inflate anyone's TS% as the number 2 option, come on man this is clear bias against Scott, especially when you use the exact same number to put down one player, while ignoring it for the other.

Well clearly his 46.2% TS% will bring down those numbers. He also played a far more significant role than Scottie (2nd option in 2018, 1st option after that). Pascal's TS% was 66% in the 2018 playoffs. Reality is Pascal played an integral role in our championship run. He's a far better player now than what he was in 2019 as well.

It's not clear bias against Scottie. In fact, it's clear bias against Pascal because Scottie reaps the rewards of not getting any defensive attention as all of that attention goes to Pascal and Fred. Context is important.

[ItsDanger]

Pecking order priority is stats, not necessarily winning.