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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#781 » by JB7 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:05 am

Brown to GSW for Wiggins & FRP

Raps would be doing GSW two favours. Taking Wiggins contract and giving them a player that will help them compete for a playoff spot.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, but with cheaper options in Kuminga and Moody, they will still easily move Wiggins, so they can pay Klay.

Wiggins fits in perfectly with the Raps. Gives them length on wing, 3&D player, POA defender, and his contract runs the same length as Yak, RJ & Dick.

C) Poeltl (Porter)
PF) Barnes
SF) Wiggins
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#782 » by SpezNc » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:07 am

Interesting comments by Woj albeit not necessarily new information

Bruce Brown comment starts at 8:11

-Mentions NYK and Lakers as suiters (nothing news) but also from teams that aren’t contender
-Mentions that the fact that he can have value at TDL for a subsequent trade add to his current value
-add that he think he will fetch a good return “ i think toronto gonna get a lot for him”
-add that browns can be put on starting lineup (spot starter) if injuries during post season happens without hesitation

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#783 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:09 am

JB7 wrote:Brown to GSW for Wiggins & FRP

Raps would be doing GSW two favours. Taking Wiggins contract and giving them a player that will help them compete for a playoff spot.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, but with cheaper options in Kuminga and Moody, they will still easily move Wiggins, so they can pay Klay.

Wiggins fits in perfectly with the Raps. Gives them length on wing, 3&D player, POA defender, and his contract runs the same length as Yak, RJ & Dick.

C) Poeltl (Porter)
PF) Barnes
SF) Wiggins
SG) Barrett (Dick)
PG) Quickley (Schroder)


We are not taking Wiggins monster contract for just one pick. Masai has been trying to clear up contracts for some serious flexibility.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#784 » by SpezNc » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:28 am

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
JB7 wrote:Brown to GSW for Wiggins & FRP

Raps would be doing GSW two favours. Taking Wiggins contract and giving them a player that will help them compete for a playoff spot.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, but with cheaper options in Kuminga and Moody, they will still easily move Wiggins, so they can pay Klay.

Wiggins fits in perfectly with the Raps. Gives them length on wing, 3&D player, POA defender, and his contract runs the same length as Yak, RJ & Dick.

C) Poeltl (Porter)
PF) Barnes
SF) Wiggins
SG) Barrett (Dick)
PG) Quickley (Schroder)


We are not taking Wiggins monster contract for just one pick. Masai has been trying to clear up contracts for some serious flexibility.


I think we would need an extra asset

Wiggins in their books is a luxury tax problem. Brown is expiring and can be the perfect filler should Warriors want to improve their lineup.

I think we can add Wiggins as a bench wing without any problem financially

That is said, if we are to lose some cap space, flexibility and cost opportunity, we would need assets back. It’s not free and we don’t need Wiggins (even if I think he could surprise).

But we would need two good assets for that

One for Wiggins, one for Brown

Wiggins Moody 1st for Brown McDaniel Protected 2nd would be my offer

I would through in a protected 2nd. Simply because that pick could be more useful to them. As long as we make sure to add at least a first in that deal.

GSW likely to say no. They may be reticent to attach asset to get rid of that contracts.

That would be my offer.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#785 » by bballsparkin » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:34 am

JB7 wrote:Brown to GSW for Wiggins & FRP

Raps would be doing GSW two favours. Taking Wiggins contract and giving them a player that will help them compete for a playoff spot.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, but with cheaper options in Kuminga and Moody, they will still easily move Wiggins, so they can pay Klay.

Wiggins fits in perfectly with the Raps. Gives them length on wing, 3&D player, POA defender, and his contract runs the same length as Yak, RJ & Dick.

C) Poeltl (Porter)
PF) Barnes
SF) Wiggins
SG) Barrett (Dick)
PG) Quickley (Schroder)


I'd do it. Heck, Wiggins can take the year off to deal with whatever he needs too. Aim to keep the pick and refocus next year with more assets.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#786 » by SpezNc » Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:25 am

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#787 » by TorontoBarneys » Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:27 am

Not sure why he's still on the team. What's the hold up?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#788 » by Stromile12 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:42 am

TorontoBarneys wrote:Not sure why he's still on the team. What's the hold up?


Probably haven't been offered what we "reportedly" want, 1st rd pick and a young player. Not surprised, I just hope we can get a first for him.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#789 » by Dalek » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:15 am

Stromile12 wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:Not sure why he's still on the team. What's the hold up?


Probably haven't been offered what we "reportedly" want, 1st rd pick and a young player. Not surprised, I just hope we can get a first for him.


Just wrap the guy in plastic and mark the best before date as the trade deadline. We don't need him getting hurt.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#790 » by C_Money » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:23 am

Brown for Fournier and 2 late 1st rounders. Do it now
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#791 » by tecumseh18 » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:38 am

SpezNc wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:
JB7 wrote:Brown to GSW for Wiggins & FRP

Raps would be doing GSW two favours. Taking Wiggins contract and giving them a player that will help them compete for a playoff spot.

Wiggins has been playing better of late, but with cheaper options in Kuminga and Moody, they will still easily move Wiggins, so they can pay Klay.

Wiggins fits in perfectly with the Raps. Gives them length on wing, 3&D player, POA defender, and his contract runs the same length as Yak, RJ & Dick.

C) Poeltl (Porter)
PF) Barnes
SF) Wiggins
SG) Barrett (Dick)
PG) Quickley (Schroder)


We are not taking Wiggins monster contract for just one pick. Masai has been trying to clear up contracts for some serious flexibility.


I think we would need an extra asset

Wiggins in their books is a luxury tax problem. Brown is expiring and can be the perfect filler should Warriors want to improve their lineup.

I think we can add Wiggins as a bench wing without any problem financially

That is said, if we are to lose some cap space, flexibility and cost opportunity, we would need assets back. It’s not free and we don’t need Wiggins (even if I think he could surprise).

But we would need two good assets for that

One for Wiggins, one for Brown

Wiggins Moody 1st for Brown McDaniel Protected 2nd would be my offer

I would through in a protected 2nd. Simply because that pick could be more useful to them. As long as we make sure to add at least a first in that deal.

GSW likely to say no. They may be reticent to attach asset to get rid of that contracts.

That would be my offer.


I'm glad to see Wiggins has played well the last two game. But overall, his season thus far is absolutely HORRIBLE. His 3-point shooting was 39% the previous two seasons. This year it's 31%. I can't see pairing that with Scottie. Not only that, but his rebounds are down, assists are down, blocks and steals are both down. So Moody and a pick is the absolute minimum I would expect. I don't see why we'd have to send them a protected 2nd. We can send them OPJ back.

But I have to say this. Wiggins' contract, which expires in 2027, does fit with what seems to be the Raptors plan. Raptors would only offer Siakam a three-year deal, expiring in 2027. Poeltl's deal expires in 2027 (if he picks up his PO in 2026). RJ's too. That's ... a lot of money coming off the books in 2027.

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#792 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:58 am

Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#793 » by HKBOY » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:15 am

Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


I will do it if GSW send us 1 more future 1st, Wiggins contract is just abysmal.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#794 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:01 pm

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#795 » by Psubs » Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:42 pm

Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#796 » by 2019nbachamps » Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:52 pm

HKBOY wrote:
Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


I will do it if GSW send us 1 more future 1st, Wiggins contract is just abysmal.


We have cap space so we can just loan it in exchange for young assets like what OKC did.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#797 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:47 pm

Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


Then I think you are short at least 2 FRP for Wiggins 2 years and CP3s contract when his buyout is still 15 million for next year. That's a ton of cap space to eat for nothing next year. And they are almost assuredly buying out Paul and he doesn't show up here.

And Wiggins is not going to recover his value on a losing team IMO. It's just like being on the wolves, where it doesn't change anything.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#798 » by douggood » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:50 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


Then I think you are short at least 2 FRP for Wiggins 2 years and CP3s contract when his buyout is still 15 million for next year. That's a ton of cap space to eat for nothing next year. And they are almost assuredly buying out Paul and he doesn't show up here.

And Wiggins is not going to recover his value on a losing team IMO. It's just like being on the wolves, where it doesn't change anything.

cp3 is expiring this year, he had a 15 buyout (30 mil contract) for this season, suns guaranteed it to make the bradley beal trade.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#799 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:52 pm

douggood wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Zeno wrote:Here my idea for Warriors. Wiggins, Moody, protected 1st for Brown. Then Dennis, Boucher for Chris Paul.
So in totality it’s wiggins, PAul, Moody and a 1st for Brown, Dennis, Boucher. The end result would save the Warriors 7 million off the books this year and a ton of tax. They get off the last two years of Wiggins money. Our capspace for next year would only be minimally impacted since we get off Dennis and Boucher. The pay off is Moody and the 1st plus the chance of Wiggins recovering his value.


Then I think you are short at least 2 FRP for Wiggins 2 years and CP3s contract when his buyout is still 15 million for next year. That's a ton of cap space to eat for nothing next year. And they are almost assuredly buying out Paul and he doesn't show up here.

And Wiggins is not going to recover his value on a losing team IMO. It's just like being on the wolves, where it doesn't change anything.

cp3 is expiring this year, he had a 15 buyout (30 mil contract) for this season, suns guaranteed it to make the bradley beal trade.


CP3 is not expiring this year and has a partial guarantee for next year too. I'm pretty certain his 2024 is now guaranteed after playing X number of games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/GSW.html
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#800 » by douggood » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:54 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
douggood wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Then I think you are short at least 2 FRP for Wiggins 2 years and CP3s contract when his buyout is still 15 million for next year. That's a ton of cap space to eat for nothing next year. And they are almost assuredly buying out Paul and he doesn't show up here.

And Wiggins is not going to recover his value on a losing team IMO. It's just like being on the wolves, where it doesn't change anything.

cp3 is expiring this year, he had a 15 buyout (30 mil contract) for this season, suns guaranteed it to make the bradley beal trade.


CP3 is not expiring this year and has a partial guarantee for next year too. I'm pretty certain his 2024 is now guaranteed after playing X number of games.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/GSW.html

yes he has a non guranteed contract for next season, but its for 0 dollars, with no triggers.
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