2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[Yallbecrazy]

How can you not like Holland. Hybrid 3-4. Just 18. Already has a year of pro experience. He already has national team experience as a 5 star recruit. He has a high ceiling. Two way player.

He just finished a season playing with Norris Cole in the G league age 18.

"“He’s a dog,” said Norris Cole, a former two-time NBA champion with the Miami Heat and a current Ignite reserve.

“Playing hard and having a motor is a skill and I’d say that’s his top skill. He could be a potential max player because of how hard he plays and works.”

I could Holland being a Raptors pick for sure.

I like him too

His shot mechanics aren’t broke either

I think the issue is his Basketball IQ. I have heard a lot of people say that he doesn't seem to have the ability to prcess the game and information at a high level. If that's true, I don't see us drafting him. I think they are targeting high IQ guys who fit Darko's system.

A negative assist to turnover rate in the g league can be quite the red flag considering spacing seems to be better and scoring much higher than college. Then again it could also be the team they are on is just so bad that other teams can pack the paint and no one can shoot from outside.

[PhilBlackson]

If we don’t keep our pick I’m just gonna pray that somehow we end up getting Dink Pate with the IND pick.

I personally would rather us convey the pick this year than in 2025, which will be a stronger class.

I've gone through this a few times but I'll explain again why I strongly disagree & why it's no disrespect but I don't think those who believe this have really thought about it in any real depth other than they heard how supposedly deep next year's class is...but the main things is you have to ask yourself where do you think we end up in the standings next year? And give yourself some actual names that are projected to be there (like actually list them out & compare them to guys we could get in the top 6) so...

1. I think we are leapfrogging BKN & ATL in the standings at bare minimum (assuming health of course) and really I'd expect us to surpass the Bulls as well but we'll see. So if the standings were the same that means we'd be picking outside the top 10. Now list some of the names at 10+ in next year's draft and actually watch some footage on them and you tell me which prospects are supposedly so head & shoulders above guys that we could get in the top 6 of this draft

2. I'll do some of that for you...so right now if we stay in the top 6 we could get one of Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic etc

From 2025, I'll go based on Givony's current mock and you'll see names like Drake Powell, Micheal Ruzic, Isaiah Evans, Nolan Tore. While I'm sure they're all decent prospects what makes any of them so head & shoulders above a prospect like Sarr, Buzelis or Holland?! I wanna actually know because I watched the McDonald's AA game and was left feeling like the class was actually quite overhyped.

3. How would you compare this past season's draft (2023 vs 2025) because I would say that 2023 was every bit as "loaded" (if not MORE) than what 2025 is projected to be and we know how our pick turned out to be and some of the names that went 10+ in this year's draft (ie/ Cason, Lively, Gradey, Jaquez)....all really solid players but would shock you if any of Sarr, Holland or Buzelis ended up being better than those guys??? Because it really wouldn't surprise me and I think this past draft gives you a glance at a similar level of prospects we'd be looking at 2025. I think the level of prospect is negligible at best and if not actually favours the top 6 of this draft.

It feels like to me that people have the headliners names of the 25' draft stuck in their head (ie/ Flagg, Malauch & Bailey) and are projecting in their own head like the entire draft is loaded with comparable players lol in reality like in most drafts it drops down a notch around the 7-9 area, then you're mostly banking on luck that someone drops or just happens to evolve/explode into a much better player in the pros than they were college. But for the most part what some of you are advocating is that we wait an entire year for the opportunity to draft another "Cason, Lively etc level player" and they're really good! But again I'm not seeing how they're any better than Sarr, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard etc but the difference is we get that player on our roster sooner than later which would also contribute to pushing next year's draft pick even higher (as in closer to 12+).

There is no rational explanation of why anyone would expect next year's pick to be so much better than this year's other than if we landed in the top 5 or so which of course we're protected from anyways.

[Mark_83]

Not a proposal, just curious about what do you guys would think of Dillingham at 6? He's high risk (though I think he has a relatively high floor as a bench scorer), he's not a good defender, and he doesn't really fill an immediate need with IQ in place.

Counterpoint, he's a ridiculously talented offensive player. The guys is going to be a deadly pick and roll player with his combination of shooting and blow-by quickness. His ability to create and shoot off the dribble and from different angles is next level. He may just be a sixth man and scorer off the bench, but there's a non-zero chance he's a starter playing a quasi-Iverson role next to a bigger playmaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see him putting up close to 20 points a game and winning ROY if he's picked by the right team (probably not with us).

All this is to say I don't think he's the right pick for us, but I think he's going to be a heck of a player.

[WuTang_CMB]

Not a proposal, just curious about what do you guys would think of Dillingham at 6? He's high risk (though I think he has a relatively high floor as a bench scorer), he's not a good defender, and he doesn't really fill an immediate need with IQ in place.

Counterpoint, he's a ridiculously talented offensive player. The guys is going to be a deadly pick and roll player with his combination of shooting and blow-by quickness. His ability to create and shoot off the dribble and from different angles is next level. He may just be a sixth man and scorer off the bench, but there's a non-zero chance he's a starter playing a quasi-Iverson role next to a bigger playmaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see him putting up close to 20 points a game and winning ROY if he's picked by the right team (probably not with us).

All this is to say I don't think he's the right pick for us, but I think he's going to be a heck of a player.

8.6% chance it lands at 6 so prob not worth talking about

It's top 4 or nothing for us

[billy_hoyle]

If we don’t keep our pick I’m just gonna pray that somehow we end up getting Dink Pate with the IND pick.

I personally would rather us convey the pick this year than in 2025, which will be a stronger class.

I've gone through this a few times but I'll explain again why I strongly disagree & why it's no disrespect but I don't think those who believe this have really thought about it in any real depth other than they heard how supposedly deep next year's class is...but the main things is you have to ask yourself where do you think we end up in the standings next year? And give yourself some actual names that are projected to be there (like actually list them out & compare them to guys we could get in the top 6) so...

1. I think we are leapfrogging BKN & ATL in the standings at bare minimum (assuming health of course) and really I'd expect us to surpass the Bulls as well but we'll see. So if the standings were the same that means we'd be picking outside the top 10. Now list some of the names at 10+ in next year's draft and actually watch some footage on them and you tell me which prospects are supposedly so head & shoulders above guys that we could get in the top 6 of this draft

2. I'll do some of that for you...so right now if we stay in the top 6 we could get one of Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic etc

From 2025, I'll go based on Givony's current mock and you'll see names like Drake Powell, Micheal Ruzic, Isaiah Evans, Nolan Tore. While I'm sure they're all decent prospects what makes any of them so head & shoulders above a prospect like Sarr, Buzelis or Holland?! I wanna actually know because I watched the McDonald's AA game and was left feeling like the class was actually quite overhyped.

3. How would you compare this past season's draft (2023 vs 2025) because I would say that 2023 was every bit as "loaded" (if not MORE) than what 2025 is projected to be and we know how our pick turned out to be and some of the names that went 10+ in this year's draft (ie/ Cason, Lively, Gradey, Jaquez)....all really solid players but would shock you if any of Sarr, Holland or Buzelis ended up being better than those guys??? Because it really wouldn't surprise me and I think this past draft gives you a glance at a similar level of prospects we'd be looking at 2025. I think the level of prospect is negligible at best and if not actually favours the top 6 of this draft.

It feels like to me that people have the headliners names of the 25' draft stuck in their head (ie/ Flagg, Malauch & Bailey) and are projecting in their own head like the entire draft is loaded with comparable players lol in reality like in most drafts it drops down a notch around the 7-9 area, then you're mostly banking on luck that someone drops or just happens to evolve/explode into a much better player in the pros than they were college. But for the most part what some of you are advocating is that we wait an entire year for the opportunity to draft another "Cason, Lively etc level player" and they're really good! But again I'm not seeing how they're any better than Sarr, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard etc but the difference is we get that player on our roster sooner than later which would also contribute to pushing next year's draft pick even higher (as in closer to 12+).

There is no rational explanation of why anyone would expect next year's pick to be so much better than this year's other than if we landed in the top 5 or so which of course we're protected from anyways.

I agree with almost all of this. Especially concerning the talent tiers available in this draft vs others. There will be stars that come out of this draft, its just not as easily identifiable hence less likely than usual to come via the 1 pick.

However, I think getting a top 6 pick this year might actually hurt our record next year. We'd be obligated to play them rotation minutes, they aren't likely to be better as rookies than our rotation vets (i.e. Bruce Brown will likely lead to more wins next year than say... Stephon Castle).

I'm obviously not saying I'd rather have Brown than Castle, just stating that actual experience matters with regard to winning next year.

I can see a world where we get a Castle and we actually improve our chances (slightly) of getting a higher pick next year.

[Psubs]

If we don’t keep our pick I’m just gonna pray that somehow we end up getting Dink Pate with the IND pick.

I personally would rather us convey the pick this year than in 2025, which will be a stronger class.

I've gone through this a few times but I'll explain again why I strongly disagree & why it's no disrespect but I don't think those who believe this have really thought about it in any real depth other than they heard how supposedly deep next year's class is...but the main things is you have to ask yourself where do you think we end up in the standings next year? And give yourself some actual names that are projected to be there (like actually list them out & compare them to guys we could get in the top 6) so...

1. I think we are leapfrogging BKN & ATL in the standings at bare minimum (assuming health of course) and really I'd expect us to surpass the Bulls as well but we'll see. So if the standings were the same that means we'd be picking outside the top 10. Now list some of the names at 10+ in next year's draft and actually watch some footage on them and you tell me which prospects are supposedly so head & shoulders above guys that we could get in the top 6 of this draft

2. I'll do some of that for you...so right now if we stay in the top 6 we could get one of Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic etc

From 2025, I'll go based on Givony's current mock and you'll see names like Drake Powell, Micheal Ruzic, Isaiah Evans, Nolan Tore. While I'm sure they're all decent prospects what makes any of them so head & shoulders above a prospect like Sarr, Buzelis or Holland?! I wanna actually know because I watched the McDonald's AA game and was left feeling like the class was actually quite overhyped.

3. How would you compare this past season's draft (2023 vs 2025) because I would say that 2023 was every bit as "loaded" (if not MORE) than what 2025 is projected to be and we know how our pick turned out to be and some of the names that went 10+ in this year's draft (ie/ Cason, Lively, Gradey, Jaquez)....all really solid players but would shock you if any of Sarr, Holland or Buzelis ended up being better than those guys??? Because it really wouldn't surprise me and I think this past draft gives you a glance at a similar level of prospects we'd be looking at 2025. I think the level of prospect is negligible at best and if not actually favours the top 6 of this draft.

It feels like to me that people have the headliners names of the 25' draft stuck in their head (ie/ Flagg, Malauch & Bailey) and are projecting in their own head like the entire draft is loaded with comparable players lol in reality like in most drafts it drops down a notch around the 7-9 area, then you're mostly banking on luck that someone drops or just happens to evolve/explode into a much better player in the pros than they were college. But for the most part what some of you are advocating is that we wait an entire year for the opportunity to draft another "Cason, Lively etc level player" and they're really good! But again I'm not seeing how they're any better than Sarr, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard etc but the difference is we get that player on our roster sooner than later which would also contribute to pushing next year's draft pick even higher (as in closer to 12+).

There is no rational explanation of why anyone would expect next year's pick to be so much better than this year's other than if we landed in the top 5 or so which of course we're protected from anyways.

100% like, we had so many deaths to Raptor's relatives and so many injuries like Memphis, who should be back in the playoffs next season.

At minimum the Raptors are a play-in team but with the parity in the east, there's no reason they can't be the #2 seed behind Boston like the Knicks floating up. Boston was relatively healthy but maybe next year they have some injuries?

Most likely the pick will be in the 15-20 range.

I really like Nolan Traore and think he could be higher than any guard in this draft behind Reed Sheppard. A lot of the good players currently mocked in the teens may float up into the lottery and not available to the Raptors anyways.

Traore
Asa Newell
Andrej Stojakovic

I would take this year's top 10 pick and maybe with the 2nd day some team would like to trade a future 1st pick (lottery protected) for #31?

[Psubs]

Not a proposal, just curious about what do you guys would think of Dillingham at 6? He's high risk (though I think he has a relatively high floor as a bench scorer), he's not a good defender, and he doesn't really fill an immediate need with IQ in place.

Counterpoint, he's a ridiculously talented offensive player. The guys is going to be a deadly pick and roll player with his combination of shooting and blow-by quickness. His ability to create and shoot off the dribble and from different angles is next level. He may just be a sixth man and scorer off the bench, but there's a non-zero chance he's a starter playing a quasi-Iverson role next to a bigger playmaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see him putting up close to 20 points a game and winning ROY if he's picked by the right team (probably not with us).

All this is to say I don't think he's the right pick for us, but I think he's going to be a heck of a player.

Malik Monk 2.0. Likley 6th man unless he develops like Iverson.

At his size, I think could just draft at #31 KJ Simpson.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/rob-dillingham
https://www.tankathon.com/players/kj-simpson

Kolek is likely drafted late 1st and gone by #31, so Carrington and Simpson at #31 would be good back up PG's for now behind IQ.

I would keep JFL at 6'4 as the 3rd PG and 3rd SG.

Reed Sheppard, Ulrich Chomche and Carlton Carrington!

PG IQ - Carrington - JFL
SG Dick - Sheppard - JFL
SF Barrett - Dick - Agbaji
PF Barnes - Olynyk/Barrett - Boucher
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Chomche

[youngRAPZ]

Jak/Sarr/kelly
Barnes/kelly/Bouche
Barret/ochai/(18/31)
Trent/Dick/Temple
IQ/(melton/wright/Dunn/Lowry)/(18/31)

Hopefully trade bb and mcdaniels for a big wing and probably won’t need JFL anymore but wouldn’t mind seeing what he got in camp.

At some point try to consolidate and get trey Murphy or herb to be the starting 3 and move Barret to the 2

[God Squad]

I've seen the idea of grabbing a backup PG with the Pacers pick. I've also seen names like Carter, Mcain and Collier mentioned. I can't shake the fact that I like Bub Carrington more than them, while also offering an upside ( I like Carter more than Mcain/Collier)

I want the lottery to happen, so I can finally let out a sigh of relief.

[Psubs]

I've seen the idea of grabbing a backup PG with the Pacers pick. I've also seen names like Carter, Mcain and Collier mentioned. I can't shake the fact that I like Bub Carrington more than them, while also offering an upside ( I like Carter more than Mcain/Collier)

I want the lottery to happen, so I can finally let out a sigh of relief.

Ya, if you can guarantee Chomche at #31, I'd want Carrington at #17. Carrington's 3pt shooting should increase with better shot-selection.

Carrington is the 2nd cousin of Rudy Gay. I think his floor is Ayo Dosunmu.

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[Brinbe]

Yeah, if we're not drafting Sarr @ 1, I'm on-board with adding Holland if we stick at 6 or even earlier. Another young wing with decent size/strength, good athleticism/defensive versatility plus a burgeoning offensive game that plays absolutely balls to the wall to pair with Scottie is exactly what we've been needing. The shooting will hopefully come around but he'll be 19-years-old next season, we'll have lots of time to mold/develop him. The tools/mental traits he possesses aren't easy to find and he would instantly sort of change the future upward trajectory of this team.

One of those things where maybe there'd be more excitement around him if his name was Ronaldo Hollandinho.

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[God Squad]

I've seen the idea of grabbing a backup PG with the Pacers pick. I've also seen names like Carter, Mcain and Collier mentioned. I can't shake the fact that I like Bub Carrington more than them, while also offering an upside ( I like Carter more than Mcain/Collier)

I want the lottery to happen, so I can finally let out a sigh of relief.

Ya, if you can guarantee Chomche at #31, I'd want Carrington at #17. Carrington's 3pt shooting should increase with better shot-selection.

Carrington is the 2nd cousin of Rudy Gay. I think his floor is Ayo Dosunmu.

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I can see the Ayo floor. I like the idea of going BPA with the top 6 pick, and I like the idea of filling needs with 18+31. I don't know if it's wiser to draft a big with 18, or a guard.

For example, we draft Ware 18 and get Kolek 31. Maybe something like Carter at 18, and Chomche 31.

No clue which would be the smart/wise option.

[ArthurVandelay]

Yeah, if we're not drafting Sarr @ 1, I'm on-board with adding Holland if we stick at 6 or even earlier. Another young wing with decent size/strength, good athleticism/defensive versatility plus a burgeoning offensive game that plays absolutely balls to the wall to pair with Scottie is exactly what we've been needing. The shooting will hopefully come around but he'll be 19-years-old next season, we'll have lots of time to mold/develop him. The tools/mental traits he possesses aren't easy to find and he would instantly sort of change the future upward trajectory of this team.

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One of those things where maybe there'd be more excitement around him if his name was Ronaldo Hollandinho.

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Motor is just one of those things you can't just easily teach. You either have it or you don't.

I like Holland. Going to be curious what his measurements are at the combine. So glad all prospects have to be measured.

[Psubs]

Yeah, if we're not drafting Sarr @ 1, I'm on-board with adding Holland if we stick at 6 or even earlier. Another young wing with decent size/strength, good athleticism/defensive versatility plus a burgeoning offensive game that plays absolutely balls to the wall to pair with Scottie is exactly what we've been needing. The shooting will hopefully come around but he'll be 19-years-old next season, we'll have lots of time to mold/develop him. The tools/mental traits he possesses aren't easy to find and he would instantly sort of change the future upward trajectory of this team.

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One of those things where maybe there'd be more excitement around him if his name was Ronaldo Hollandinho.

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Motor is just one of those things you can't just easily teach. You either have it or you don't.

I like Holland. Going to be curious what his measurements are at the combine. So glad all prospects have to be measured.

I guess he's like a taller Jaylen Brown. I'm cool with him at #2 and Reed if #3 or 4.

He seems like he could be like Jimmy Butler.

[Psubs]

I've seen the idea of grabbing a backup PG with the Pacers pick. I've also seen names like Carter, Mcain and Collier mentioned. I can't shake the fact that I like Bub Carrington more than them, while also offering an upside ( I like Carter more than Mcain/Collier)

I want the lottery to happen, so I can finally let out a sigh of relief.

Ya, if you can guarantee Chomche at #31, I'd want Carrington at #17. Carrington's 3pt shooting should increase with better shot-selection.

Carrington is the 2nd cousin of Rudy Gay. I think his floor is Ayo Dosunmu.

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I can see the Ayo floor. I like the idea of going BPA with the top 6 pick, and I like the idea of filling needs with 18+31. I don't know if it's wiser to draft a big with 18, or a guard.

For example, we draft Ware 18 and get Kolek 31. Maybe something like Carter at 18, and Chomche 31.

No clue which would be the smart/wise option.

I think Ware's ceiling is Myles Turner. Chomche might have a slightly lower floor but much higher ceiling. I think his floor might be Christian Koloko.

Since there are soooooo many more guard and forward prospects late 1st and early 2nd that may not be that much, I'd go for the more rare player at #17.

[DG88]

If we don’t keep our pick I’m just gonna pray that somehow we end up getting Dink Pate with the IND pick.

I personally would rather us convey the pick this year than in 2025, which will be a stronger class.

I've gone through this a few times but I'll explain again why I strongly disagree & why it's no disrespect but I don't think those who believe this have really thought about it in any real depth other than they heard how supposedly deep next year's class is...but the main things is you have to ask yourself where do you think we end up in the standings next year? And give yourself some actual names that are projected to be there (like actually list them out & compare them to guys we could get in the top 6) so...

1. I think we are leapfrogging BKN & ATL in the standings at bare minimum (assuming health of course) and really I'd expect us to surpass the Bulls as well but we'll see. So if the standings were the same that means we'd be picking outside the top 10. Now list some of the names at 10+ in next year's draft and actually watch some footage on them and you tell me which prospects are supposedly so head & shoulders above guys that we could get in the top 6 of this draft

2. I'll do some of that for you...so right now if we stay in the top 6 we could get one of Sarr, Risacher, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic etc

From 2025, I'll go based on Givony's current mock and you'll see names like Drake Powell, Micheal Ruzic, Isaiah Evans, Nolan Tore. While I'm sure they're all decent prospects what makes any of them so head & shoulders above a prospect like Sarr, Buzelis or Holland?! I wanna actually know because I watched the McDonald's AA game and was left feeling like the class was actually quite overhyped.

3. How would you compare this past season's draft (2023 vs 2025) because I would say that 2023 was every bit as "loaded" (if not MORE) than what 2025 is projected to be and we know how our pick turned out to be and some of the names that went 10+ in this year's draft (ie/ Cason, Lively, Gradey, Jaquez)....all really solid players but would shock you if any of Sarr, Holland or Buzelis ended up being better than those guys??? Because it really wouldn't surprise me and I think this past draft gives you a glance at a similar level of prospects we'd be looking at 2025. I think the level of prospect is negligible at best and if not actually favours the top 6 of this draft.

It feels like to me that people have the headliners names of the 25' draft stuck in their head (ie/ Flagg, Malauch & Bailey) and are projecting in their own head like the entire draft is loaded with comparable players lol in reality like in most drafts it drops down a notch around the 7-9 area, then you're mostly banking on luck that someone drops or just happens to evolve/explode into a much better player in the pros than they were college. But for the most part what some of you are advocating is that we wait an entire year for the opportunity to draft another "Cason, Lively etc level player" and they're really good! But again I'm not seeing how they're any better than Sarr, Holland, Buzelis, Sheppard etc but the difference is we get that player on our roster sooner than later which would also contribute to pushing next year's draft pick even higher (as in closer to 12+).

There is no rational explanation of why anyone would expect next year's pick to be so much better than this year's other than if we landed in the top 5 or so which of course we're protected from anyways.

No disrespect taken at all and I see your point as to not having the pick convey. This draft class to me is more rotation player deep than star talent deep. Now there will be All Stars that come out of this draft, we just don't know who they are. Part of the reason why I would rather just get it over with and convey is that I like the 2025 class better in terms of overall talent. Though my main reason is that it increases our flexibility of having our future picks in play.

If we're being honest here we don't know what the standings will look like next year but what we do know is that our team will be younger with the inclusion of 2 rookies and potentially a third if we don't convey. That means that they will be given a long leash and winning games isn't the end goal but development. We have no idea what BKN, ATL and CHI will do this offseason to either improve or tank next season. The Play-In had only added incentives for team to play to win. There are probably 5 teams that are tanking. Detroit, Washington, Portland, Charlotte and San Antonio. Outside of that everyone is pushing for wins until they know they won't make it.

In the end even if the pick conveys we're still going to get some rotational talent with the IND pick and potentially a project or rotational player with the 31st pick.

[OAKLEY_2]

Not a proposal, just curious about what do you guys would think of Dillingham at 6? He's high risk (though I think he has a relatively high floor as a bench scorer), he's not a good defender, and he doesn't really fill an immediate need with IQ in place.

Counterpoint, he's a ridiculously talented offensive player. The guys is going to be a deadly pick and roll player with his combination of shooting and blow-by quickness. His ability to create and shoot off the dribble and from different angles is next level. He may just be a sixth man and scorer off the bench, but there's a non-zero chance he's a starter playing a quasi-Iverson role next to a bigger playmaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see him putting up close to 20 points a game and winning ROY if he's picked by the right team (probably not with us).

All this is to say I don't think he's the right pick for us, but I think he's going to be a heck of a player.

8.6% chance it lands at 6 so prob not worth talking about

It's top 4 or nothing for us

So if we do convey what are our make draft lemonade options? Free agency is horrible. We need long interior D. As espn phrases it: "grabbing another versatile forward (player x) could be beneficial, giving Toronto more positional size and lineup optionality to play with in the frontcourt, something this front office has traditionally favored."

If the 46% chance of keeping the pick doesn't translate then next up Tristan da Silva a big defender and shooter moves into the current timeline as a quick study senior. Not an upside pick but a depth pick.

#31 gets interesting. Trevon Brazile or Ulrich Chomche. Projects with us looking to mine interior presence. Personally I don't think we should draft non-shooters. Going to go with da Silva to be a rotation player. Brazile to develop in 905 but with spot on Raptors roster. If Collier or Edey were to fall to Pacers pick then either of those two are a no brainer.

We need to keep in mind in a very short period we emptied the cupboard of Siakam, Anunoby and Achuiwa.

[OAKLEY_2]

And Jontay.............

[ItsDanger]

Let's take a Drake Powell as example for '25 picks. Athletic, can shoot at multiple levels, can put the ball on the floor with either hand. Right now, he looks to have higher upside than many of these '24 high lottery guys. BUT, we need to see it at next level against better defenders. Hard to project from high school for that reason.

[Dalek]

Not a proposal, just curious about what do you guys would think of Dillingham at 6? He's high risk (though I think he has a relatively high floor as a bench scorer), he's not a good defender, and he doesn't really fill an immediate need with IQ in place.

Counterpoint, he's a ridiculously talented offensive player. The guys is going to be a deadly pick and roll player with his combination of shooting and blow-by quickness. His ability to create and shoot off the dribble and from different angles is next level. He may just be a sixth man and scorer off the bench, but there's a non-zero chance he's a starter playing a quasi-Iverson role next to a bigger playmaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see him putting up close to 20 points a game and winning ROY if he's picked by the right team (probably not with us).

All this is to say I don't think he's the right pick for us, but I think he's going to be a heck of a player.

I am torn on Dillingham. He has the shake to be a Kyrie-like guard, although his low freethrow rate (.271 FtR) turns me off. Not a lot guys his size start and survive as pure jump shooters. Dillingham really works if he has an elite two-way player like Wemby. I can't think of a better two-man combo on pick and roll, and JD doesn't even have to work on his defense with Wemby on the backline. The other team would be Orlando for me. They could be really elevated with a Dillingham/Suggs backcourt.

If Toronto is building towards a title I don't see a fit. Quickley does a lot of the same and is a better rebounder and defender. Pair them together you have one of the smallest backcourts in the league. Even the Kings don't use Fox and Monk full time because they get killed on the defensive end.

It is my personal preference, but if we are looking at guys under 6'5 they should be dynamic at least one of two things: elite POA defense or be able to self-create paint touches. Both are about pressure, and I think that is gap for Toronto. We lack some force and RJ can't be relied on with his freethrow shooting being what it is.