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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#781 » by hyper316 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:49 pm

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hyper316 wrote:Love the bench we have now:

Shead, Gradey, Walters, Ochai

Boucher and Mitchell flipped for 2nd Rd picks

One’s gotta go IMO for a big. I’d keep Boucher/Davion to as re-signing should be cheap.

IQ/Davion/Shead
Barrett/Agbaji/Walter/Dick (one be traded)
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/Boucher
Poeltl/ one of our 2’s for a 5


That's tough, if I were to pick out of those 3 wings, it's between Dick or Walter, leaning towards Walter

Keeping Ochai for sure, he can be both sides of the floor, reliable corner 3
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#782 » by traps#10 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:50 pm

I don’t see any downside to this, certainly accelerates the rebuild and Masai is planning on competing next year for a playoff spot. We still kept our draft pick for this upcoming strong draft year so Masai is betting on this team to make the playoffs next year and doesn’t care about the draft next year.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#783 » by PushDaRock » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:50 pm

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Sandman88 wrote:So glad some of you are not the GM. This is the type of move you make 10/10 times.

Ingram is a great buy low candidate who, when healthy, has proven to be an unguardable 3 level scorer and a decent defender with tremendous length. He has not yet peaked imo and will be motivated with the raps.


There's a few elements to the trade that need to be considered.

In a vacuum sure, BI is a good player to add. Especially since we cannot score in the half court. But looking at the context of this team overall the move doesn't make a lot of sense.

BI is always hurt, there's no two ways around this. He is always hurt. He also operates heavily in the mid range (99th percentile i believe is what I read). SB operates in this area. RJ needs to get downhill to be effective. JP needs to be in the paint to be effective. Plus, BI's defence is nothing to write home about.

For midrange heavy players, spacing is really key, we don't have that with this team. The fit on this current roster is weird and clearly some follow up trades/signings will be needed.

The second piece is that if we look at where this team is in the current standings, we are the 5th worst team. Meaning we have a real shot at a top end player who fits the team's timeline.

The third piece, our FO preached patience and staying the course. Trading for BI is the opposite of this statement. If we were overachieving this year and they wanted to add then sure, why not. But we aren't overachieving, if anything we are right where we are supposed to be.

We did not give up much to get BI which is great! We turned an expiring, a backup big, and a 15-20th pick into a 27 year old scorer. That's not bad at all and based on a pure trade standpoint I think we won it.

I just don't think the trade makes sense in the context of the team

Ingram is still a guy who puts up 6/7 3’s a night. Hes taking mid range shots instead of at the rim, not instead of from 3.

He’s also been a good shooter historically. IMO there is possibility to scale up his 3 ball a bit to 7/8 takes a night.

Really this move to me signals that next year our offense is gonna be IQ/BI featured more and Barnes moves into a more third option / connector role who is a beast defensively. That’s my hope at least.

Possibly go after Turner to just so we have a stretch 5. That would open it up a lot.


Yeah, I expect Ingram to take a lot of 3's in this offense.

I don't think they make this move if they felt Scottie was going to develop into a #1 option. So, that experiment is likely dead and as I've said all along, the way to maximize his potential as a player is to have him put his energy more towards the defensive side and becoming an All-NBA level defender.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#784 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:52 pm

Gavin_TDThree wrote:has anyone seen an updated salary cap projection for next year based on this trade? Assuming BI gets $40M per, how's our books look?


https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/_/year/2025
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#785 » by hyper316 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:53 pm

Ado05 wrote:Trade is questionable at best. Can be bad depending on the extension they give him.


Brown ($22M) was gone anyways and losing Kelly ($10M) is a plus imo. So really trading IND 2026 pick in the mid 10s for Ingram is great value.

A sub 40M/year is a good deal, means getting rid of Boucher or Mitchell which I'm fine with.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#786 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:53 pm

I went to bed last night and this was at about 20 pages and now it's 40. I haven't read everything in between.

So I apologize if this has been discussed already, but could Ingram sign an extension now like Butler did? Or was that only possible in that case because he technically had a year remaining on his contract in the form of a player option?

I'm not sure it's something BI's agents would advise him to do, just wondering if it's possible.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#787 » by djsunyc » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:53 pm

Tripod wrote:Funny how 1 year ago it was Masai is washed because he traded Siakam for such a bad return. Should have traded him earlier for Bufkin and Griffin some said.

Now he turned that bad return into a 22 point scorer, built up Ochai, and Walter for youth...plus grabbed Davion+Shead with the TPE from Siakam.

And people are still complaining that this deal is a fireable offense? Complete lunacy.

agreed. i think some people are just firmly planted on their my way or the highway stance that it skews everything else.

just one year ago, pacers traded THREE first round picks for soon to be UFA pascal. if pascal and ingram are in a similar tier then we got him for just one. that's pretty good asset management.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#788 » by TOStateofMind » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:54 pm

Don’t completely hate it since it’s pretty obvious they weren’t gonna tank again like this next year. BI is better than what he has shown so they got him at his lowest. As mentioned already as long as it doesn’t affect rest of this season it’s a fine deal.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#789 » by PushDaRock » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:54 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:I went to bed last night and this was at about 20 pages and now it's 40. I haven't read everything in between.

So I apologize if this has been discussed already, but could Ingram sign an extension now like Butler did? Or was that only possible in that case because he technically had a year remaining on his contract in the form of a player option?

I'm not sure it's something BI's agents would advise him to do, just wondering if it's possible.


yes he is extension eligible for 3 years at 144m max

that's the number I'm mentally preparing that we lock him up for if it's just 3 years.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#790 » by Mak » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:55 pm

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TimeForChange wrote:What a terrible trade


You think so? All star player for 2 payers that we did not want and a last first round pick?

He’s a fine player but I don’t like the fit and it pushes the raps into a tax team.


It does not push them into a tax team, they will not be paying tax next year.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#791 » by Raptors_Dynasty » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:56 pm

I’m just glad this means I don’t have to watch Scottie try to score as much, it was getting tough to watch
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#792 » by TorontoRapsFan » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:59 pm

They have to have an agreement with BI for resigning. No way they give up a first for a rental. And I doubt they are going to try to make the play in this year. Chances are now we're back to lots more rotating injuries for key players and stacking up losses.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#793 » by MoneyBall » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:00 pm

Siakam is both a better player and more reliable health wise than Ingram. Of course he fetched more than Ingram.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#794 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:01 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:I went to bed last night and this was at about 20 pages and now it's 40. I haven't read everything in between.

So I apologize if this has been discussed already, but could Ingram sign an extension now like Butler did? Or was that only possible in that case because he technically had a year remaining on his contract in the form of a player option?

I'm not sure it's something BI's agents would advise him to do, just wondering if it's possible.


yes he is extension eligible for 3 years at 144m max

that's the number I'm mentally preparing that we lock him up for if it's just 3 years.


I'd be very disappointed if that's the number. I'm on the fence about this trade until we see what he can be signed for. I'm not a big BI fan, but at the same time they definitely won the "asset value" side of the trade, and I can see the logic with the kind of player he could be in Toronto if things go well.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#795 » by hyper316 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:01 pm

Do you think Pels had the choice between Kelly or Boucher? If so, why take Kelly?
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Re: This is a good buy-low situation no matter the cons 

Post#796 » by Kingsway_fan » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:01 pm

Why a separate thread?
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#797 » by traps#10 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:03 pm

TOStateofMind wrote:Don’t completely hate it since it’s pretty obvious they weren’t gonna tank again like this next year. BI is better than what he has shown so they got him at his lowest. As mentioned already as long as it doesn’t affect rest of this season it’s a fine deal.


This is the only way the Raptors will ever get “stars”. Trade for them when they’re at their lowest (injury) and bet on the medical staff to work their magic. Alex McKechnie is the true MVP.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#798 » by Gavin_TDThree » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:03 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:has anyone seen an updated salary cap projection for next year based on this trade? Assuming BI gets $40M per, how's our books look?


https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/_/year/2025


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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#799 » by traps#10 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:03 pm

hyper316 wrote:Do you think Pels had the choice between Kelly or Boucher? If so, why take Kelly?


For some reason, I see Kelly being acquired by the Lakers
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Re: This is a good buy-low situation no matter the cons 

Post#800 » by Los_29 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:03 pm

No one thought BI can be had for this price. It’s a very good value deal. Something Masai has a history of doing.

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