Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[chimpston17]

I think battier would be a great fit for the raps as long as he is coming back I will be optimistic. A smart defensive player that can shoot the 3, the biggest thing with him is his leadership. Not only is he a smart defensive player but he will help improve the defensive intelligence of others on the team by communicating with them. Houston has been a gritty defensive team since he has been there and I dont think it is a coincidence and that he plays a big role in that.

Send back hill, and either draft picks or scola along with battier and I think that could be a really good deal for the raps

[Rhettmatic]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

I agree with you, but I also expect Colangelo to continue to do whatever he can to try to eke into the playoffs, future be damned.

[pspot]

If you are planning on contending having depth like Scola is exactly what you want.

Battier as well so maybe he'd be included to make the deal work with Jose but be heading back to Houston after that window closes

but honestly Hill plus some mid picks is a **** return and I'd only be happy with this deal if Jose or Turk is included. My preference is a Jose for Lowry swap

[Raps in 4]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

No I dont see Scola in this at all. He's an RFA, and he wants to stay in Houston and they have pretty much promised him that he will.

Battier is a maybe in this deal. They love his leadership, and it would help us immensely. This trade can be structured so that they keep Battier, but the quid pro quo would be an additional pick or picks.

I'd rather keep Battier out of it, we're not in a win-now situation and whatever additional picks keeping him out of the deal require would probably be more valuable to us in a rebuild (plus I can see Battier being more important to them as well if they're looking to contend). I just hope BC doesn't pull some ill-advised win-now move where we get good role players that will simply lock us into mediocrity for another season.

The problem is that most of Houston's assets are role players. Hill and those picks really aren't that great If NY hits a home-run in free-agency (which I'm skeptical of). Assuming NY strikes out, we're looking at a pick in the 12-15 range, which has value, but if they land some big names, those picks could be in the 20s, which makes them pretty worthless for drafting our own player or packaging to move up in the draft.

[dagger]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

Battier is expiring. He is a quality player who would have trade value in his own right, even if he had two years remaining, but since he is expiring, he would be that much more attractive in a deadline deal. That's much different than a re-signed Scola.

but I understand your dilemma. Battier is all about the intangibles that you can't measure in your stats. You're like a man without taste buds - you can't tell the difference between chocolate and strawberry.

[MrBojangelz71]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

I would take both on my team any day of the week.

Scola could almost replace Bosh's rebounding numbers by himself and I don't think you will find a more fiery competitor in the league. The guy backs down to no one.

Battier would be starting and finishing for us and his expiring 7plus mill along with Reggies and Banks gives us close to 18 million in expiring for 11/12.

It makes us competitive next season and sets us up for cap relief the following. Give us 2 draft picks in there and I can't see how you wouldn't bite on it?

[BFRESH44]

Will Bosh even see an appeal factor with Houston? There's really nothing all that appealing about Houston.

Yao Ming is one more serious injury away from retirement. Guy is made of glass. He's just to massive of a human being not get injured. And after that? Aaron Brooks and Kevin Martin are not getting you to the Finals in western conference.

[Dangles]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

Battier is expiring. He is a quality player who would have trade value in his own right, even if he had two years remaining, but since he is expiring, he would be that much more attractive in a deadline deal. That's much different than a re-signed Scola.

but I understand your dilemma. Battier is all about the intangibles that you can't measure in your stats. You're like a man without taste buds - you can't tell the difference between chocolate and strawberry.

[Randle McMurphy]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

I agree with you, but I also expect Colangelo to continue to do whatever he can to try to eke into the playoffs, future be damned.

Unfortunately, this.

[Raps in 4]

Will Bosh even see an appeal factor with Houston? There's really nothing all that appealing about Houston.

Yao Ming is one more serious injury away from retirement. Guy is made of glass. He's just to massive of a human being not get injured. And after that? Aaron Brooks and Kevin Martin are not getting you to the Finals in western conference.

+1

[isyed]

Jeffries' expiring - $6,883,400
Jordan Hill - $2,669,520
Trevor Ariza - $6,322,320
Houston's pick this year (whoever that is) - $1,371,200
Knicks's pick in 2012
Houston's right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011

I realize we're going to get pennies on the dollar for Bosh, but I still don't like that package. I don't want Ariza and I don't like Hill. The deal only looks OK if New York completely strikes out in free agency and sucks for another couple years.

I'm sure I'll come to realize this is wishful thinking, but I'd like to get one blue-chip prospect/young player for Bosh. I don't need 40 assets, just one with some actual value, personally.

I think its a given that Houston wants to retain as much as possible. I would start with everything listed up there minus Ariza. Replace with Battier (expiring), ask for Budinger and Lowry. I would do everything to dump Turk as well. Bosh starting at 17 mill + Turk at 10 mill gives a salary of 27 mill going out. the 125 % means they have to send out about 21 mill outs to match salaries.

Hill, Battier, Jefferies, Budinger and Lowry add upto about 20 mill. The 1st rounder from this year should easily send it to over 21 mill. Raptors get young players in Hill, Budinger, Lowry. Battier can be bought out so he can return to Houston. Jefferies is an expiring.

Houston retains all their main players but go in cap hell. They give all their youth away but with Yao back should be able to content right away.

Yao/Armstrong/Cook
Bosh/Scola/Hayes
Ariza/Turk/Battier
Martin
Brooks/

They can use the MLE and move Battier to play backup 2. Turk can play backup PG as well and handle the ball.

All we need to do is dump Jose for expiring and we start fresh as well.

[dagger]

The problem is that most of Houston's assets are role players. Hill and those picks really aren't that great If NY hits a home-run in free-agency (which I'm skeptical of). Assuming NY strikes out, we're looking at a pick in the 12-15 range, which has value, but if they land some big names, those picks could be in the 20s, which makes them pretty worthless for drafting our own player or packaging to move up in the draft.

It's a long way from where NYK is today to what it would take for them to land in the 20s. Only Lebron can do that, and maybe not in one year. To be in the 20s, you pretty much have to be a top 4, home seed team. The Celtics, for example, are picking 19th in June.

[supersub15]

It makes us competitive next season and sets us up for cap relief the following. Give us 2 draft picks in there and I can't see how you wouldn't bite on it?

Because it sets up to be a worse treadmill team than we already are. They are both getting up there in age, and I can Colangelo re-signing both (if we do get them), just to make the playoffs in the East.

If we're losing Bosh, then I want a complete destruction of this cursed roster. No one over 25 should be on it (except for the token 5-minutes a night veteran).

[jrsmith]

I want no part of Ariza and his contract on this team. No thanks to Hill if either/both Bargnani/Amir are on the team. I also want absolutely no part of Scola as it would be nothing but a patch move making us slightly better and much more mediocre in the long term plans.

Both the knicks picks are a must, same with a houston pick. Expirings + budinger.

That along with us being bottom feeders for a couple of years depending on our drafting skills/luck should be a good scenario to rebuild with.

Although I am sure Colangelo will do everything in his power to make us a 30-40 win team, thus making the worst of all scenarios.

With that said, and being realistic, Houston is a fairly good package IMO.

[pspot]

Will Bosh even see an appeal factor with Houston? There's really nothing all that appealing about Houston.

Yao Ming is one more serious injury away from retirement. Guy is made of glass. He's just to massive of a human being not get injured. And after that? Aaron Brooks and Kevin Martin are not getting you to the Finals in western conference.

IMO Houston is probably the perfect fit for Bosh
- close to home
- He'd be the #1 guy with a 20 ppg SG and defensive/rebounding C.

[douggood]

The problem is that most of Houston's assets are role players. Hill and those picks really aren't that great If NY hits a home-run in free-agency (which I'm skeptical of). Assuming NY strikes out, we're looking at a pick in the 12-15 range, which has value, but if they land some big names, those picks could be in the 20s, which makes them pretty worthless for drafting our own player or packaging to move up in the draft.

It's a long way from where NYK is today to what it would take for them to land in the 20s. Only Lebron can do that, and maybe not in one year. To be in the 20s, you pretty much have to be a top 4, home seed team. The Celtics, for example, are picking 19th in June.

houston picks 14th in 2010
also the 2011 pick is the right to swap, there is always the chance that houston sucks as well. there is a fairly good chance of the 2011 pick being in the mid teens, either from NY or Houston.
2012 ny pick i wont have high hopes for, we owe miami a pick, maybe we convey it to them or if we make the playoff in 2012 and give the pick to miami will will have a pick.

[Brinbe]

It makes us competitive next season and sets us up for cap relief the following. Give us 2 draft picks in there and I can't see how you wouldn't bite on it?

Because it sets up to be a worse treadmill team than we already are. They are both getting up there in age, and I can Colangelo re-signing both (if we do get them), just to make the playoffs in the East.

If we're losing Bosh, then I want a complete destruction of this cursed roster. No one over 25 should be on it (except for the token 5-minutes a night veteran).

Unfortunately, this is truly wishful thinking, SS... Especially with BC at the helm.

[Ripp]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

Battier is expiring. He is a quality player who would have trade value in his own right, even if he had two years remaining, but since he is expiring, he would be that much more attractive in a deadline deal. That's much different than a re-signed Scola.

but I understand your dilemma. Battier is all about the intangibles that you can't measure in your stats. You're like a man without taste buds - you can't tell the difference between chocolate and strawberry.

Battier's impact is actually easy to measure:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers. ... C&team=HOU

Better defense, slightly worse offense. There was a pretty cool article on the NYTimes a while back discussing +/- and Battier that you might like...google it.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

I would take both on my team any day of the week.

Scola could almost replace Bosh's rebounding numbers by himself and I don't think you will find a more fiery competitor in the league. The guy backs down to no one.

Battier would be starting and finishing for us and his expiring 7plus mill along with Reggies and Banks gives us close to 18 million in expiring for 11/12.

It makes us competitive next season and sets us up for cap relief the following. Give us 2 draft picks in there and I can't see how you wouldn't bite on it?

Exactly, if picks are coming with it I don't see the problem--you take some future consideration along with some exceptional vets.

I don't believe in full-on rebuilds, but I guess I'm just used to history suggesting that those who try and win usually do.

[Raps in 4]

It makes us competitive next season and sets us up for cap relief the following. Give us 2 draft picks in there and I can't see how you wouldn't bite on it?

Because it sets up to be a worse treadmill team than we already are. They are both getting up there in age, and I can Colangelo re-signing both (if we do get them), just to make the playoffs in the East.

If we're losing Bosh, then I want a complete destruction of this cursed roster. No one over 25 should be on it (except for the token 5-minutes a night veteran).

Unfortunately, this is truly wishful thinking, SS... Especially with BC at the helm.

You're absolutely right. A full rebuild would go against everything BC stands for, the guy would rather jump in front of a train than blow this team up.