Will Bargnani ever learn to value individual success?

[strangespot]

The title of this thread should be changed to "Will Bargnani ever learn to value team success?" and the OP should be deleted.

Was it a team ? I saw lots of Raptor games the past few years... and surely didnt look like a team anyway, was all about one player.

Bargnani at least (compared to lots of his former and actual teammates in Toronto) has a championship to be proud of... and even if it was "only" the italian championship, he was part of a TEAM back then

Come on, aren't we reaching a bit here? I could say Bosh won a State HS Championship going 40-0 for Lincoln. Hell, he has an Olympic gold medal playing a key role.

Bottom line, a team is composed of a bunch of individuals. Each individual has to carry his weight / play his role in order for the team to succeed.

yes, but the problems begin when those individuals are not comfortable with the roles they are supposed to play. small example: JO, would have been 10x the leader Bosh ever was... and thats how JO acted and tried to establish himself... I remember JO working and demanding the ball down low and basically didn't care if Bosh got his touches or not.... and i am pretty sure Bosh didnt like to see that and played a big role when JO was shipped to MIA.

What I am saying is that Toronto was, say, one guy in the picture and everybody else had to be part of the frame. Me, from watching them play, totally had the sensation that Bosh's goal first and foremost was his individual success (i.e. good stats, all star game)... but this obviously thats just imho.

[JN]

Yes we would have been a lot better giving more looks to JO - he is such an efficient scorer.

[OhMyBosh]

Bargnani does value individual success.

In an interview, his ultimate goal is to be an allstar. Not win a ring.

[strangespot]

Yes we would have been a lot better giving more looks to JO - he is such an efficient scorer.

wasn't my point... but anyway, dont think you would have been much worse either...

[Reignman]

Was it a team ? I saw lots of Raptor games the past few years... and surely didnt look like a team anyway, was all about one player.

Bargnani at least (compared to lots of his former and actual teammates in Toronto) has a championship to be proud of... and even if it was "only" the italian championship, he was part of a TEAM back then

Come on, aren't we reaching a bit here? I could say Bosh won a State HS Championship going 40-0 for Lincoln. Hell, he has an Olympic gold medal playing a key role.

Bottom line, a team is composed of a bunch of individuals. Each individual has to carry his weight / play his role in order for the team to succeed.

yes, but the problems begin when those individuals are not comfortable with the roles they are supposed to play. small example: JO, would have been 10x the leader Bosh ever was... and thats how JO acted and tried to establish himself... I remember JO working and demanding the ball down low and basically didn't care if Bosh got his touches or not.... and i am pretty sure Bosh didnt like to see that and played a big role when JO was shipped to MIA.

What I am saying is that Toronto was, say, one guy in the picture and everybody else had to be part of the frame. Me, from watching them play, totally had the sensation that Bosh's goal first and foremost was his individual success (i.e. good stats, all star game)... but this obviously thats just imho.

I don't know about that, had JO come here and stuck to defending, rebounding and shotblocking then we would've been in good shape. Unfortunately JO was still under the impression that he was an all-star so he wanted his touches on the other end.

Look, Bosh was carrying the brunt of our scoring and rebounding load. That was his job on this team and he did it at an elite level. Basically, Bosh is one of the premier offensive big men in the league while also being one of the better rebounders. He filled that role perfectly.

The issue was that we didn't have a single other player on the roster that could fulfill their role as needed to contend / compete. We didn't have a high-end perimeter player, we didn't have a defensive anchor and we didn't have any top flight coaching.

Bosh was the only piece on this team that would play an integral role on a good team.

[Reignman]

Yes we would have been a lot better giving more looks to JO - he is such an efficient scorer.

wasn't my point... but anyway, dont think you would have been much worse either...

JO is a low efficiency scorer that was average at getting to the line. Teams no longer double team JO.

Bosh is a high efficiency scorer that was amongst the best in the L at getting to the line. Drawing double teams was his forte.

If JO came in as our defensive anchor and only stuck to that role, we'd be golden because our defense was pretty good with him here. On offense was where the issues started and not just because JO needed his touches but because we sent our only dynamic perimeter player to Indy when trading for him. If we had even a single above average offensive option on the perimeter our team would've worked much better that season.

[Abba Zabba]

centre sounds too french

i use center

Wow. You're not offensive at all.