Raps looking to replace Maurizio Gherardini?

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I believe the Euro hate comes from the fact that almost all of them have played like garbage once they got here. And in one case, ruined team chemistry all together.

Yep, That's exactly it.. and for that reason i don't ever want to acquire one until BC is gone..

"like garbage"? Sorry, Bargnani has been a disappointment for where he was drafted, but who else has been anything but a minor signing. Garbo was fine. Parker was fine. Calderon (a Babcock find) was a nice undrafted find. Lots of end of bench types, second round types, etc.

Should we not sign Americans because Joey Graham was a big disappointment. How about American college players in general. We've had a number of stiffs, and quite a few disappointments. In fact, of the guys right out of Europe, most have done pretty much as expected, not better but not worse.

[RoleModel]

Yep, That's exactly it.. and for that reason i don't ever want to acquire one until BC is gone..
"like garbage"? Sorry, Bargnani has been a disappointment for where he was drafted, but who else has been anything but a minor signing. Garbo was fine. Parker was fine. Calderon (a Babcock find) was a nice undrafted find. Lots of end of bench types, second round types, etc.

Should we not sign Americans because Joey Graham was a big disappointment. How about American college players in general. We've had a number of stiffs, and quite a few disappointments. In fact, of the guys right out of Europe, most have done pretty much as expected, not better but not worse.

They have created a stigma around our team that the Toronto Raptors are a "Euro" haven. Our whole organization in return has become synonymous with soft, jump shooting big men. We will never be able to shed that label and gain the respect of the league if we keep bringing in guys like Andrea Bargnani who view basketball as a hobby.

If I were a basketball player, in a predominantly English speaking league, why would I want to go to a Euro team?

[arbsn]

Reminded me of this...

[Komodo]

Good riddance. He was supposed to give us an advantage with Euro prospects, but he hasn't landed us a single one. He won't be missed.

[waltthewiz]

Theorycrafting time: This sets up a promotion for Jay to take Maurizio's vacated spot and we hire Rick Adelman or ETTORE MESSINA. Boom. Championship time.

[lolwut]

I made this.

[J-Roc]

RealGM experts said Maurizio did important things in the background that we didn't know about. This will be a tough loss.

[Tenacious_C]

So we are looking for a new asst. GM?

[[SJJ]]

I'm sure he did do important things within the organization but as far as specifics are concerned I have no idea what he actually did. hopefully the person who replaces him likes defensive minded players instead of soft defenseless ones.

[RoleModel]

RealGM experts said Maurizio did important things in the background that we didn't know about. This will be a tough loss.

Maurizio: "Hmm, would BC want a chocolate chip, or banana muffin?"

[C_Money]

I believe the Euro hate comes from the fact that almost all of them have played like garbage once they got here. And in one case, ruined team chemistry all together.

Yep, That's exactly it.. and for that reason i don't ever want to acquire one until BC is gone..

"like garbage"? Sorry, Bargnani has been a disappointment for where he was drafted, but who else has been anything but a minor signing. Garbo was fine. Parker was fine. Calderon (a Babcock find) was a nice undrafted find. Lots of end of bench types, second round types, etc.

Should we not sign Americans because Joey Graham was a big disappointment. How about American college players in general. We've had a number of stiffs, and quite a few disappointments. In fact, of the guys right out of Europe, most have done pretty much as expected, not better but not worse.

Its a combination of Bargnani and Turkoglu's lazy attitudes and Calderon's horrible defense that turned people off. Being a hockey town, Toronto is the worst place to have players like that.

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Toronto is the worst place to have players like that.

I'm sorry, Turkuglu was an NBA player and we all know he was signed to keep Bosh interested in re-signing. Portland wanted to sign him for the same money. It had little to do with ethnicity and everything to do with the fact he was the best FA on the market that summer. To weave that into some anti-Euro argument is intellectually impoverished.

[C_Money]

No I'm trying to say since Toronto is a hockey town, the fans like their players to give it their all on every play. Guys like Bargnani and Turkoglu obviously don't fit well in a city like that.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don't know of any candidates with International scouting experience, but Griffin and Cho are two solid NBA brains I think would beef up the front office.

I'm less worried about BC's ability to find diamonds in the rough and more concerned he doesn't have a strong enough voice to tell him not to spend stupid money.

[disoblige]

Yep, That's exactly it.. and for that reason i don't ever want to acquire one until BC is gone..
"like garbage"? Sorry, Bargnani has been a disappointment for where he was drafted, but who else has been anything but a minor signing. Garbo was fine. Parker was fine. Calderon (a Babcock find) was a nice undrafted find. Lots of end of bench types, second round types, etc.

Should we not sign Americans because Joey Graham was a big disappointment. How about American college players in general. We've had a number of stiffs, and quite a few disappointments. In fact, of the guys right out of Europe, most have done pretty much as expected, not better but not worse.

They have created a stigma around our team that the Toronto Raptors are a "Euro" haven. Our whole organization in return has become synonymous with soft, jump shooting big men. We will never be able to shed that label and gain the respect of the league if we keep bringing in guys like Andrea Bargnani who view basketball as a hobby.

If I were a basketball player, in a predominantly English speaking league, why would I want to go to a Euro team?

sounds very racist.

just listing some current nba euro players..

france- ajinca, batum ,diawara , tony parker, petro , pietrus, turiaf
germany- kaman , dirk
England- Deng , pops
italy- bargs , benelli , gallinari

Obviously blinded by race... or a shot geared toward white players.

[RoleModel]

sounds very racist.

just listing some current nba euro players..

france- ajinca, batum ,diawara , tony parker, petro , pietrus, turiaf
germany- kaman , dirk
England- Deng , pops
italy- bargs , benelli , gallinari

Obviously blinded by race... or a shot geared toward white players.

I'm just stating what is said about us. Other teams view us as a soft, jump shooting team.

It has nothing to do with race; it has to do with where the person is from. I don't think that it's a good idea to have too many international players given that most players are born in North America.

Even guys such as Amir, Reggie, and DeMar were surprised that Andrea came to sit with them on the bus this year, they thought he was going to the bathroom. He would normally sit with other "Euro" players like Belinelli. This is not good for team chemistry. Because we had so many players from different nationalities, I feel that Colangelo created a divide within the locker room. Guys from Italy would sit with each other, guys from NA would sit with each other, and players like Jose, Rasho, and even Garbo back in the day would hang out with each other. It's just like real life. People will naturally hang out with people they are most like and thus Andrea, apparently our best player, never had on-court chemistry with the rest of our core.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ I don't think anyone views us as a jump-shooting team anymore. We were dead last in 3pt%. The soft team I can understand... but that has a lot to do with having the worst defensive team in the league for the 2nd consecutive year.

[highness]

sounds very racist.

just listing some current nba euro players..

france- ajinca, batum ,diawara , tony parker, petro , pietrus, turiaf
germany- kaman , dirk
England- Deng , pops
italy- bargs , benelli , gallinari

Obviously blinded by race... or a shot geared toward white players.

I'm just stating what is said about us. Other teams view us as a soft, jump shooting team.

It has nothing to do with race; it has to do with where the person is from. I don't think that it's a good idea to have too many international players given that most players are born in North America.

Even guys such as Amir, Reggie, and DeMar were surprised that Andrea came to sit with them on the bus this year, they thought he was going to the bathroom. He would normally sit with other "Euro" players like Belinelli. This is not good for team chemistry. Because we had so many players from different nationalities, I feel that Colangelo created a divide within the locker room. Guys from Italy would sit with each other, guys from NA would sit with each other, and players like Jose, Rasho, and even Garbo back in the day would hang out with each other. It's just like real life. People will naturally hang out with people they are most like and thus Andrea, apparently our best player, never had on-court chemistry with the rest of our core.

Exactly. It's evident from last year that there was a divide.

[disoblige]

sounds very racist.

just listing some current nba euro players..

france- ajinca, batum ,diawara , tony parker, petro , pietrus, turiaf
germany- kaman , dirk
England- Deng , pops
italy- bargs , benelli , gallinari

Obviously blinded by race... or a shot geared toward white players.

I'm just stating what is said about us. Other teams view us as a soft, jump shooting team.

It has nothing to do with race; it has to do with where the person is from. I don't think that it's a good idea to have too many international players given that most players are born in North America.

Even guys such as Amir, Reggie, and DeMar were surprised that Andrea came to sit with them on the bus this year, they thought he was going to the bathroom. He would normally sit with other "Euro" players like Belinelli. This is not good for team chemistry. Because we had so many players from different nationalities, I feel that Colangelo created a divide within the locker room. Guys from Italy would sit with each other, guys from NA would sit with each other, and players like Jose, Rasho, and even Garbo back in the day would hang out with each other. It's just like real life. People will naturally hang out with people they are most like and thus Andrea, apparently our best player, never had on-court chemistry with the rest of our core.

Exactly. It's evident from last year that there was a divide.

Im sorry but this is BS. You DONT exclude other people because they are different. Whether they dont have personal chemistry.

[RoleModel]

Im sorry but this is BS. You DONT exclude other people because they are different.

Actually, you do that all the time in professional sports. Certain players don't fit the mold of your team so you don't pick them.