Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread III

bboyskinnylegs · Post #81 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:05 pm

at the 6 hour mark for today's meeting now

bboyskinnylegs · Post #82 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:07 pm

the jazz has stopped playing on the feed, they're testing the live audio now

bboyskinnylegs · Post #83 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:11 pm

there's david aldridge... he just confirmed that something is going on at 7

Man of Steel · Post #84 » by **Man of Steel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:12 pm

Derosa.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #85 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:13 pm

league wants to add a$1 to the existing taxes in places 2.50 for the 3rd 5 million ... ahh i didnt get all of it

Post #86 » by **LittleOzzy** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:13 pm

Tune is now http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/live

nahom1319 · Post #87 » by **nahom1319** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm

crap they cut the feed, he's doing an interview.

Man of Steel · Post #88 » by **Man of Steel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm

lulz... kinda seems like he's talking to himself.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #89 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm

"one of the attorneys that handles a lot of the negotiations...you can say, I guess you can say he's the lead negotiator"

bboyskinnylegs · Post #90 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm

damn they switched it

bboyskinnylegs · Post #91 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:16 pm

so the league seems to have pushed to add $1 to the existing tax penalty structure, and it appears to go up in $5 million increments based on what Aldridge said when he was practicing on the mic

Post #92 » by **Cyrus** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:33 pm

sam_amick Sam Amick
Overlooked-& most random-part of Checketts interview: he sent "complimentary gravy bowls from a KFC in Manhattan" into negotiating room.

LOL What?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #93 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:38 pm

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Heading for @NBATV at 7 for GT with @NBATVRick and @3Deezy. Warning. I'm talking system numbers. Detailed numbers. Not for the squeamish.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #94 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:58 pm

here he is with an update...

EDIT: here's the video, nothing really new
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... pdate.nba/

- two sides seem to have agreed to 50/50 split, contingent on the way system issues are handled
-most notable issues remaining are ability for tax teams to use the MLE, and execute s&t's
-made progress on the 'repeater tax' (something about a cliff for teams that repeatedly dip into the tax)
-progress has been incremental

mirrornick · Post #95 » by **mirrornick** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:34 am

Wow Seriously what is up with these negotiations? Seems like it's groundhog day.

MEDIC · Post #96 » by **MEDIC** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:41 am

Ponchos wrote:Small markets can contend, they just have to draft well & be lucky enough to draft a star player that will stay committed long term.

I've fixed your quote.

knickerbocker2k2 · Post #97 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:56 am

MEDIC wrote:
Ponchos wrote:Small markets can contend, they just have to draft well. Remember the days before we drafted Bargs? Terrible. Now it's nothing but championship parades the last few years.

I remember the days when we drafted Stoudamire, T-Mac, Carter & Bosh.

Still waiting for that championship contention.

I remember when Cleveland drafted home grown boy Lebron James, signed Shaq, traded for Antawn Jamison. Where is Cleveland now?

"They just have to draft well".......my azz.....it's not that simple.

Well they had Lebron for 7 years. That is half of career. They made the finals once, had the best record in the league two years running and who was the best player they put Lebron with? If they put right talent beside him, maybe they would have won, and Lebron wouldn't have jetted to win someone else. Toronto had Bosh for 7 years and what kinda of team did they build around him? Only made the playoffs twice.

What you are proposing is teams draft players and keep them forever. Essentially you are advocating for getting rid of Free Agency.

gerrit4 · Post #98 » by **gerrit4** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:57 am

MEDIC wrote:
Ponchos wrote:Small markets can contend, they just have to draft well. Remember the days before we drafted Bargs? Terrible. Now it's nothing but championship parades the last few years.

I remember the days when we drafted Stoudamire, T-Mac, Carter & Bosh.

Still waiting for that championship contention.

I remember when Cleveland drafted home grown boy Lebron James, signed Shaq, traded for Antawn Jamison. Where is Cleveland now?

"They just have to draft well".......my azz.....it's not that simple.

What does that mean? Cleveland were one of the top teams in the league for 5 years. They made it to the finals, and had the beat record in the league for two years.

Toronto lost it's star players because of management, drafting and being in Canada. Tracey left to get out of vince s shadow. Bosh left to join the two best players in the league. What did any of that have to do with the cap? We overspent with grunwald and bc.

You saw the truehoop article right? That actually uses stats instead of just two teams?

Ponchos · Post #99 » by **Ponchos** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:03 am

MEDIC wrote:
Ponchos wrote:Small markets can contend, they just have to draft well. Remember the days before we drafted Bargs? Terrible. Now it's nothing but championship parades the last few years.

I remember the days when we drafted Stoudamire, T-Mac, Carter & Bosh.

Still waiting for that championship contention.

I remember when Cleveland drafted home grown boy Lebron James, signed Shaq, traded for Antawn Jamison. Where is Cleveland now?

"They just have to draft well".......my azz.....it's not that simple.

Wasn't T-Mac an RFA? Bad management to let him go.

MEDIC · Post #100 » by **MEDIC** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:07 am

Well, my point is, Cleveland did do well in the draft (regardless if they were lucky or not) & they were a contending team. Now they are back to obscurity.

It would have been nice if they got a Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitski type commitment from their star player.

As for Toronto. They did draft well....they drafted EXTREMELY well early on. Where did that get them?

I'm not buying the "small market teams just have to draft well to win" (insuating that they are doing poorly because they suck at drafting).

The issue is much more complicated that that.