The answer to all our problems... JEREMY LIN

[Hassassin]

I guess they like his defensive intensity in the starting lineup. Lin is a much better scorer than him, but fit wise, it makes sense to have him come off the bench since the team already has high usage guys in the starting lineup.

And those are the exact reasons why I don't agree it is a good trade for the Raps. Lowry is the superior defender, and with the high usage and ISO offense by Gay and DD, he doesn't fit.

Maybe this works as a follow up trade if one or both of DD and Gay are gone, but then it all depends on what comes back in those trades to justify the extra year of salary Lin comes with.

I like Lin as a better fit than Lowry because he is a better pick and roll guard and the Raptors are underutilizing Valanciunas in the P&R. I don't expect the ISO centric offense starring Gay and DeRozan to continue in Toronto.

On the surface, it might not appear Lin would be the ideal pick-and-roll point guard to pair with Howard. On all of his passes out of the pick-and-roll, Lin ranked in just the 40th percentile in points per play.

However, when going exclusively to the roll man, Lin ranked in the 72nd percentile (fifth of 35 point guards with 100 plays). That compares favorably to both Howard’s current and preferred point guards.

Orlando’s Jameer Nelson ranked 15th among that group of 35 point guards while the Nets’ Deron Williams came in at just 29th on points per play generated on passes to the roll man.

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[Alfred]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

I think this is a bit too rich for Toronto unfortunately.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I like Lin as a better fit than Lowry because he is a better pick and roll guard and the Raptors are underutilizing Valanciunas in the P&R. I don't expect the ISO centric offense starring Gay and DeRozan to continue in Toronto.

On the surface, it might not appear Lin would be the ideal pick-and-roll point guard to pair with Howard. On all of his passes out of the pick-and-roll, Lin ranked in just the 40th percentile in points per play.

However, when going exclusively to the roll man, Lin ranked in the 72nd percentile (fifth of 35 point guards with 100 plays). That compares favorably to both Howard’s current and preferred point guards.

Orlando’s Jameer Nelson ranked 15th among that group of 35 point guards while the Nets’ Deron Williams came in at just 29th on points per play generated on passes to the roll man.

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I absolutely agree that Lin is far superior in the P&R than Lowry, however he is far superior to Beverly and even that article infers that he and Howard make a good P&R duo.

What makes me doubtful is that the current coaching staff and players would have to move away from their current offensive hierarchy and trust a PG of Lin's caliber to dominate the ball on offense in order for him to be effective. If they do not, than it's a starting PG swap that doesn't make the team any better offensively, but makes them worse defensively.

This is already now the second team (NYK, and HOU) who have ball dominant wings and who have found that Lin is not effective playing beside them. That pretty much means that for Lin to be anything different for Toronto, at least one (if not both) of DD and Gay would need to go.

[Hassassin]

I like Lin as a better fit than Lowry because he is a better pick and roll guard and the Raptors are underutilizing Valanciunas in the P&R. I don't expect the ISO centric offense starring Gay and DeRozan to continue in Toronto.

On the surface, it might not appear Lin would be the ideal pick-and-roll point guard to pair with Howard. On all of his passes out of the pick-and-roll, Lin ranked in just the 40th percentile in points per play.

However, when going exclusively to the roll man, Lin ranked in the 72nd percentile (fifth of 35 point guards with 100 plays). That compares favorably to both Howard’s current and preferred point guards.

Orlando’s Jameer Nelson ranked 15th among that group of 35 point guards while the Nets’ Deron Williams came in at just 29th on points per play generated on passes to the roll man.

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I absolutely agree that Lin is far superior in the P&R than Lowry, however he is far superior to Beverly and even that article infers that he and Howard make a good P&R duo.

What makes me doubtful is that the current coaching staff and players would have to move away from their current offensive hierarchy and trust a PG of Lin's caliber to dominate the ball on offense in order for him to be effective. If they do not, than it's a starting PG swap that doesn't make the team any better offensively, but makes them worse defensively.

This is already now the second team (NYK, and HOU) who have ball dominant wings and who have found that Lin is not effective playing beside them. That pretty much means that for Lin to be anything different for Toronto, at least one (if not both) of DD and Gay would need to go.

I agree. For the Lin thing to work here, another high usage perimeter guy needs to go. But I think that's going to happen this season because I don't see Masai keeping this group together.

[Scraptor]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

I think this is a bit too rich for Toronto unfortunately.

I think it's the perfect tank trade.

Lowry isn't going to net much more than a late first-rounder or prospect. If we can price him at Giannis it's a huge steal for us.

Gay for Lin/Donut/Butler's expiring is solid, given that we reduce salary commitment and get a mid-round prospect like Donut. I'm not a huge believer in Donut and I'd prefer a pick but getting Giannis for Lowry balances things out.

Lin is the perfect facilitator to run the show and get others involved while we tank. I think he'd really help the development of other young players.

[Alfred]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

I think this is a bit too rich for Toronto unfortunately.

I think it's the perfect tank trade.

Lowry isn't going to net much more than a late first-rounder or prospect. If we can price him at Giannis it's a huge steal for us.

Gay for Lin/Donut/Butler's expiring is solid, given that we reduce salary commitment and get a mid-round prospect like Donut. I'm not a huge believer in Donut and I'd prefer a pick but getting Giannis for Lowry balances things out.

Lin is the perfect facilitator to run the show and get others involved while we tank. I think he'd really help the development of other young players.

No, I'm saying this is probably too good for Toronto.

[Hassassin]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

I think this is a bit too rich for Toronto unfortunately.

I think it's the perfect tank trade.

Lowry isn't going to net much more than a late first-rounder or prospect. If we can price him at Giannis it's a huge steal for us.

Gay for Lin/Donut/Butler's expiring is solid, given that we reduce salary commitment and get a mid-round prospect like Donut. I'm not a huge believer in Donut and I'd prefer a pick but getting Giannis for Lowry balances things out.

Lin is the perfect facilitator to run the show and get others involved while we tank. I think he'd really help the development of other young players.

I figure that if they can give up Tobias Harris for a half-season rental of JJ Reddick, they can surely trade Giannis (and Ilyasova) away for Gay and Lowry.

[ForeverTFC]

You suggest turning our cap hell into a cap nightmare, in order to lose - something that we are already doing pretty well?

The cap room we'll have in two years is far more enticing than jumping up a slot or two in the draft next year, because that's what a Lin trade would do AT BEST.

Not to mention you'd be killing my constant supply of $20 and under tickets.

[The_Hater]

He's a dleague level player, no thanks. .

Right, because if you're not an NBA all-star then you belong in the D-League.

What a ridiculous comment.

[Chaos Engine]

why would we want this guy? for the asian fans? He's all hype no thanks.

[The_Hater]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

The Rockets say yes but the Bucks say no. Might be able to pry Henson instead of Giannis though.

[Scraptor]

Ah, gotcha Alfred.

Yeah, Hammond has said he's not going to make the Harris mistake twice, but Kohl (the owner) is hell-bent on making the playoffs so maybe he can be convinced.

I'd actually be more interested in Morey's take. He's been very supportive of Lin, and with Lin's advanced stats looking much stronger this year I'm not sure he'd be willing to derail the Asian connection given Les Alexander's interest in Chinese investment (see here for more: http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012 ... ttom-line/).

But MU is shrewd as hell, so maybe he can figure out something similar.

[Hassassin]

Here is a Lin trade that I would do:

Raptors trade Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry, receive Jeremy Lin, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Donatas Motiejunas.

Bucks trade Ersan Ilyasova, Caron Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luke Ridnour. They receive Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry.

Rockets trade Jeremy Lin and Donatas Motiejunas. Rockets receive Ersan Ilyasova and Luke Ridnour.

The Rockets say yes but the Bucks say no. Might be able to pry Henson instead of Giannis though.

I figured they keep Henson since he can produce now as opposed to Antetokounmpo, who is still a couple of seasons away from being a rotational guy.

[The_Hater]

why would we want this guy? for the asian fans? He's all hype no thanks.

After sifting through all the pros and cons Lin is similar in ability to Lowry but probably a better fit for this team. At least Lin can run the pick and roll which would increase the likelihood that you could run plays for Amir and JV (both of whom are very effective on the PnR) in the offense.

[Scraptor]

You suggest turning our cap hell into a cap nightmare, in order to lose - something that we are already doing pretty well?

The cap room we'll have in two years is far more enticing than jumping up a slot or two in the draft next year, because that's what a Lin trade would do AT BEST.

Not to mention you'd be killing my constant supply of $20 and under tickets.

Lin expires at the end of next season, with Fields and Gay.

[Hassassin]

Ah, gotcha Alfred.

Yeah, Hammond has said he's not going to make the Harris mistake twice, but Kohl (the owner) is hell-bent on making the playoffs so maybe he can be convinced.

I'd actually be more interested in Morey's take. He's been very supportive of Lin, and with Lin's advanced stats looking much stronger this year I'm not sure he'd be willing to derail the Asian connection given Les Alexander's interest in Chinese investment (see here for more: http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012 ... ttom-line/).

But MU is shrewd as hell, so maybe he can figure out something similar.

I read that they have to make the playoffs just to break-even.

[The_Hater]

I figured they keep Henson since he can produce now as opposed to Antetokounmpo, who is still a couple of seasons away from being a rotational guy.

Ya they're not going to trade both their PF's, that wouldn't make sense for them.

I guess now that the season has started and Giannis isn't playing in the real games the aura of a few spectacular plays in the preseason are less likely to influence Hammond's decision. At least I can try to convince myself this is true.

[rapsanity]

No thank you.

Lin sucks. The only way I would even consider accepting him is if HOU sends a 2014 first round pick our way

[ForeverTFC]

You suggest turning our cap hell into a cap nightmare, in order to lose - something that we are already doing pretty well?

The cap room we'll have in two years is far more enticing than jumping up a slot or two in the draft next year, because that's what a Lin trade would do AT BEST.

Not to mention you'd be killing my constant supply of $20 and under tickets.

Lin expires at the end of next season, with Fields and Gay.

You are right. I thought he had three more years left.

Still, the $20 tickets are a bigger concern.

[VintageVince]

no thanks to poison pill contract, i would rather have that cap space in 2015