JV on the Raptors Championship

[And1Skip]

Wtf are you kids smoking these days? When the freaking MVP Greek Freak admits that he has had nightmares of Gasol double teams which is giving him motivation to be better next year, it means Gasol was a difference maker in the series

[Johnny Bball]

People seem to forget that we actually almost lost the bucks series because of Gasol. He almost single handedly lost us both games 1 and 2 with his putrid play on "BOTH" defense and offense, maybe people were not watching those games carefully. He did play well in games 3 and 4 and then in 5 and 6, he was responsible for the bucks going on crazy runs to open up 16 and 17 pt leads in both games respectively. It was ibaka on the floor that got us back in both games, Gasol just had a few plays in the 4 quarter that people remember but forget that he actually played poor if you look at the entire game 5 and 6.

The bucks outscored us for the series when Gasol was on the floor and that's hilarious because we won the series, so the narrative should be we won despite gasol, us being outscored with him on the floor is probably surprising to the casual fans, so please do not give me this narrative that he was the reason we got past the bucks, no it was Kawhi, Norm, Fred crazy lights out shooting and ibaka, definitely not Gasol. I think people need to rewatch that "entire" series and all 4 quarters not just hte 4th quarter highlights on tsn.

JV definitely deserves a ring, what happened to him was a joke. We get to the finals with JV too. I like gasol as a person but he was over the hill, if anything we won despite his poor play.

What happened to him? He was traded for a better player? He did just sign for less right?

And nah, not a chance.

nope he was traded for a worse player, the fact we were outscored in an entire series we won by the losing team when Gasol on the floor really speaks for itself. That shows we won despite of him. There's nothing you can deny about that which is why you turned it towards contract talks. LoL and that's the sad thing, we are stuck paying Gasol 28 million next year when we could have paid JV 15 million.

You sure you want to do this? Every JV fan is rolling their eyes right now, because they know already.

Lowry was a minus in the bucks series? Does that mean we win without Lowry? No, because of one bad game in the series he was a minus. Same with Gasol. Even you know your line here is trash here.

JV didn't start against the Bucks all year. In three games vs the Bucks, Jv was a -21 in 13 minutes and 2 -10 (impressively bad), -9 in 13 minutes (2 for 8), he didn't play the third and we won for the first time and he didn't play the fourth game which we lost. JV couldn't stay on the floor against the Bucks when we played them last in the playoffs and they didn't even have a real centre Then we sent him to come of the bench, it was the first time we won 3 playoff games in a row. Pray tell.... what part of JV and his horrible defense (and offense against the bucks this year) against the bucks was getting us out of that series?

I can go on about Philly and GSW if you like. But we won a championship WITH Gasol. In real life, not make believe.

And Jv was paid less, because that's what he was worth. The market just told you that. What's the excuse for that?

I would rather pay Gasol and have a championship.

Lmfao at Nurse benching Gasol for the series...just grasping at straws.

Wtf are you kids smoking these days? When the freaking MVP Greek Freak admits that he has had nightmares of Gasol double teams which is giving him motivation to be better next year, it means Gasol was a difference maker in the series

Yep.

[Useyourhead]

What happened to him? He was traded for a better player? He did just sign for less right?

And nah, not a chance.

nope he was traded for a worse player, the fact we were outscored in an entire series we won by the losing team when Gasol on the floor really speaks for itself. That shows we won despite of him. There's nothing you can deny about that which is why you turned it towards contract talks. LoL and that's the sad thing, we are stuck paying Gasol 28 million next year when we could have paid JV 15 million.

You sure you want to do this? Every JV fan is rolling their eyes right now, because they know already.

Lowry was a minus in the bucks series? Does that mean we win without Lowry? No, because of one bad game in the series he was a minus. Same with Gasol. Even you know your line here is trash here.

JV didn't start against the Bucks all year. In three games vs the Bucks, Jv was a -21 in 13 minutes and 2 -10 (impressively bad), -9 in 13 minutes (2 for 8), he didn't play the third and we won for the first time and he didn't play the fourth game which we lost. JV couldn't stay on the floor against the Bucks when we played them last in the playoffs and they didn't even have a real centre Then we sent him to come of the bench, it was the first time we won 3 playoff games in a row. Pray tell.... what part of JV and his horrible defense (and offense against the bucks this year) against the bucks was getting us out of that series?

I can go on about Philly and GSW if you like. But we won a championship WITH Gasol. In real life, not make believe.

And Jv was paid less, because that's what he was worth. The market just told you that. What's the excuse for that?

I would rather pay Gasol and have a championship.

Wtf are you kids smoking these days? When the freaking MVP Greek Freak admits that he has had nightmares of Gasol double teams which is giving him motivation to be better next year, it means Gasol was a difference maker in the series

Yep.

Lowry had one bad game, gasol had 4 bad games in the series, there's a difference. Look don't get me wrong, I like gasol a lot, i just think it would have been sweeter to win with a guy who played his heart out for the team for 7 years and was capable. I'll forever hate Draymond the donkey, because we were the best team in the NBA before he went down. We still would have been number 1 at the trade deadline had JV been healthy and JOBAKA was dominating the league, no way we trade him.

It would have proved to everyone on this board that we win even with JV, the philly series definitely would not have gone 7 and we would not have to listen to the idiotic take by american media that Kawhi should sign with the lakers because we were one shot away from losing to philly.

[djsunyc]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

[Johnny Bball]

nope he was traded for a worse player, the fact we were outscored in an entire series we won by the losing team when Gasol on the floor really speaks for itself. That shows we won despite of him. There's nothing you can deny about that which is why you turned it towards contract talks. LoL and that's the sad thing, we are stuck paying Gasol 28 million next year when we could have paid JV 15 million.

You sure you want to do this? Every JV fan is rolling their eyes right now, because they know already.

Lowry was a minus in the bucks series? Does that mean we win without Lowry? No, because of one bad game in the series he was a minus. Same with Gasol. Even you know your line here is trash here.

JV didn't start against the Bucks all year. In three games vs the Bucks, Jv was a -21 in 13 minutes and 2 -10 (impressively bad), -9 in 13 minutes (2 for 8), he didn't play the third and we won for the first time and he didn't play the fourth game which we lost. JV couldn't stay on the floor against the Bucks when we played them last in the playoffs and they didn't even have a real centre Then we sent him to come of the bench, it was the first time we won 3 playoff games in a row. Pray tell.... what part of JV and his horrible defense (and offense against the bucks this year) against the bucks was getting us out of that series?

I can go on about Philly and GSW if you like. But we won a championship WITH Gasol. In real life, not make believe.

And Jv was paid less, because that's what he was worth. The market just told you that. What's the excuse for that?

I would rather pay Gasol and have a championship.

Wtf are you kids smoking these days? When the freaking MVP Greek Freak admits that he has had nightmares of Gasol double teams which is giving him motivation to be better next year, it means Gasol was a difference maker in the series

Yep.

Lowry had one bad game, gasol had 4 bad games in the series, there's a difference. Look don't get me wrong, I like gasol a lot, i just think it would have been sweeter to win with a guy who played his heart out for the team for 7 years and was capable. I'll forever hate Draymond the donkey, because we were the best team in the NBA before he went down. We still would have been number 1 at the trade deadline had JV been healthy and JOBAKA was dominating the league, no way we trade him.

It would have proved to everyone on this board that we win even with JV, the philly series definitely would not have gone 7 and we would not have to listen to the idiotic take by american media that Kawhi should sign with the lakers because we were one shot away from losing to philly.

Lowry had two games at big minuses. And since plus minus is your only hope, lets not let you obscure facts. So it's ok for one to have two bad minus games (in games we lost... which is often the case shockingly) but not ok for the other? Anyway , I digress...


Tell me... since you ignored it ... how does JV get us through when he was that bad against the Bucks and don't avoid the question with more strawman arguments.

You just have no idea what you're watching on the court. That's all I can say. That's the only way you can come to this conclusion besides lying to yourself.

[Kabookalu]

Gasol was always on Masai's radar, I have no doubt the trade would have still went through. We got Gasol because they finally gave up any thought of competing with him. If anything JV getting hurt jeopardized our chances of getting Gasol.

[XxIronChainzxX]

People seem to forget that we actually almost lost the bucks series because of Gasol. He almost single handedly lost us both games 1 and 2 with his putrid play on "BOTH" defense and offense, maybe people were not watching those games carefully. He did play well in games 3 and 4 and then in 5 and 6, he was responsible for the bucks going on crazy runs to open up 16 and 17 pt leads in both games respectively. It was ibaka on the floor that got us back in both games, Gasol just had a few plays in the 4 quarter that people remember but forget that he actually played poor if you look at the entire game 5 and 6.

The bucks outscored us for the series when Gasol was on the floor and that's hilarious because we won the series, so the narrative should be we won despite gasol, us being outscored with him on the floor is probably surprising to the casual fans, so please do not give me this narrative that he was the reason we got past the bucks, no it was Kawhi, Norm, Fred crazy lights out shooting and ibaka, definitely not Gasol. I think people need to rewatch that "entire" series and all 4 quarters not just hte 4th quarter highlights on tsn.

JV definitely deserves a ring, what happened to him was a joke. We get to the finals with JV too. I like gasol as a person but he was over the hill, if anything we won despite his poor play.

What happened to him? He was traded for a better player? He did just sign for less right?

And nah, not a chance.

nope he was traded for a worse player, the fact we were outscored in an entire series we won by the losing team when Gasol on the floor really speaks for itself. That shows we won despite of him. There's nothing you can deny about that which is why you turned it towards contract talks. LoL and that's the sad thing, we are stuck paying Gasol 28 million next year when we could have paid JV 15 million.

Look, I get that trading JV broke something in you that will never be fixed. But you have to stop this. It's getting silly. Gasol's the better player, the championship run speaks for itself, and JV wouldn't have been better.

At this point, the only way you could be more wrong is if you post that Kawhi is leaving because he hates Gasol five minutes before he announces he stay because of Gasol.

[Useyourhead]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

No way Masai shakes things up with us having the best record in the league. We were like 23-7 when JV went down #1 team in the nba. Stupid draymond the donkey, man deep down JV knows they could have won with him too which is why its so disappointing for him.

[righteous015]

The last two pages have been idiotic. JV will be offered a ring whether you like it or not; regardless of how Gasol played after the trade. Gasol was a key part on both off and def. Just like Kyle, he doesn't fill a stat sheet but does all the intangibles. Casual fans won't get it. This is how things turned out. Accept it and move on.

[Useyourhead]

The last two pages have been idiotic. JV will be offered a ring whether you like it or not; regardless of how Gasol played after the trade. Gasol was a key part on both off and def. Just like Kyle, he doesn't fill a stat sheet but does all the intangibles. Casual fans won't get it. This is how things turned out. Accept it and move on.

if he does all the intangibles, why are teams we are beating outscoring us with him on the floor? To me intangibles leads to you helping your team score more points than the other team either by defense or offense, No one is saying kyle won us the bucks series but they are saying gasol did despite us being outscored with him on the floor. He had a terrible game 1, and 2, Nurse was ready to bench him for the entire series for crying out loud, played better in 3 and 4 and then played bad again in game 5 and 6. All i'm saying is Marc was not the reason we won that series.

[zZero]

JV should get standing O when he's back in toronto with memphis

[Useyourhead]

JV should get standing O when he's back in toronto with memphis

100% agree

[Hero]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

If Greg Oden doesn't get hurt, does he become a hall of famer?

JV has shown that injuries are a concern. In the one time we made it to the ECF and won 2 games prior to this season, it was without JV.

This season he played less than 50 games. I'm glad we traded for Marc. He was a key piece for us.

[Useyourhead]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

If Greg Oden doesn't get hurt, does he become a hall of famer?

JV has shown that injuries are a concern. In the one time we made it to the ECF and won 2 games prior to this season, it was without JV.

This season he played less than 50 games. I'm glad we traded for Marc. He was a key piece for us.

You know what, i'll give you that point, that's maybe one area where Marc does have an advantage where he gets hurt less than JV when it counts. If JV is not there, ofcourse i would have Marc cuz ibaka cannot guard the other 7 footers.

I just feel really bad for JV, assuming health and totally understand why he's so annoyed as he himself claims, I honestly believe philly would not have gone 7 games, bucks probably still goes 6 and we beat golden state in an even more dominant fashion as it was ibaka who was key for us in that series, not gasol.

[KL78192020]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

No way Masai shakes things up with us having the best record in the league. We were like 23-7 when JV went down #1 team in the nba. Stupid draymond the donkey, man deep down JV knows they could have won with him too which is why its so disappointing for him.

Myabe Gasol wasn't his best against the bucks, but there is no bucks series without Gasol. Raptors don't beat the sixers with JV instead of Gasol. Embiid would've destroyed JV.

[righteous015]

The last two pages have been idiotic. JV will be offered a ring whether you like it or not; regardless of how Gasol played after the trade. Gasol was a key part on both off and def. Just like Kyle, he doesn't fill a stat sheet but does all the intangibles. Casual fans won't get it. This is how things turned out. Accept it and move on.

if he does all the intangibles, why are teams we are beating outscoring us with him on the floor? To me intangibles leads to you helping your team score more points than the other team either by defense or offense, No one is saying kyle won us the bucks series but they are saying gasol did despite us being outscored with him on the floor. He had a terrible game 1, and 2, Nurse was ready to bench him for the entire series for crying out loud, played better in 3 and 4 and then played bad again in game 5 and 6. All i'm saying is Marc was not the reason we won that series.

Trust me, JV wasn't going to be the reason we won it either. It's true that intangibles usually lead to plays in offense and defense but he was key on Giannis. Had we let Giannis do whatever he wanted, he would've been rolling hard with his teammates doing the same. JV is a pylon.

[Useyourhead]

if jv doesnt get hurt, is gasol on the team? we may have won more games if jv didnt miss 2 months. does masai then shake up a 1st seed?

No way Masai shakes things up with us having the best record in the league. We were like 23-7 when JV went down #1 team in the nba. Stupid draymond the donkey, man deep down JV knows they could have won with him too which is why its so disappointing for him.

Myabe Gasol wasn't his best against the bucks, but there is no bucks series without Gasol. Raptors don't beat the sixers with JV instead of Gasol. Embiid would've destroyed JV.

umm...i think enough fans here know that JV would have absolutely murdered Embid, Embid has openly admitted he sturggles against JV. JV schools him on both ends of the floor and with embid being hurt and sick, it would have been a very quick series. Gasol can defend him but no way in hell can score on embid. JV can do both.

[KL78192020]

No way Masai shakes things up with us having the best record in the league. We were like 23-7 when JV went down #1 team in the nba. Stupid draymond the donkey, man deep down JV knows they could have won with him too which is why its so disappointing for him.

Myabe Gasol wasn't his best against the bucks, but there is no bucks series without Gasol. Raptors don't beat the sixers with JV instead of Gasol. Embiid would've destroyed JV.

umm...i think enough fans here know that JV would have absolutely murdered Embid, Embid has openly admitted he sturggles against JV. JV schools him on both ends of the floor and with embid being hurt and sick, it would have been a very quick series. Gasol can defend him but no way in hell can score on embid. JV can do both.

JV was also a horrible passer out of the double team and on the three point line, would usually turn it over, and his 3 point shot is nowhere close to Gasol, teams have to respect his 3. Your insane if you think this team wins with JV instead of Gasol.

[Johnny Bball]

JV should get standing O when he's back in toronto with memphis

He already got one when he came back so why not.

[Courtside]

JV should get standing O when he's back in toronto with memphis

He already got one when he came back so why not.

JV hasn't come back as an opposing player yet, as both our games with Memphis were before the trade deadline.