Skeezo wrote:So was FVV and Siakim...DSJ requested it because he wasn't getting reps with NYK... Thibs doesn't like young players, so what do you want him to do?
Thibs plays Barrett, Quickly, Robinson, Toppin. C'mon.
I agree with you, which is why I think Powell is worth a lotto protected first, it would seem you think that should be his minimum value as well... We are in agreement!
What we DON'T agree on is your equation that D.Rose is anywhere near the asset Norm is in the market... If expiring D.Rose can get two 2nd Rd picks, Norm can fetch more.
It's not certain. You need to factor in team needs in mid-season trades. We might have to go through all the teams in the playoff picture to determine who would start Norm or be willing to cough up a first for him. There are a lot of teams in the playoff picture, so you may have a lively market. Teams that needed a bench scorer, I can only imagine would have been interested on DRose, who went for crap.
Are you really going to dispute that an expiring 28 year old N.Powell who has averaged 15 points per game over the last two seasons in 28 mins is not worth more than an expiring 31 year old PJ Tucker who was averaging less than 7 points in 30 mins per game at the time of the trade? The same PJ Tucker who left us for less than an MLE contract, while you contend that Norm might garner 18-20m per year deal which is nearly double the MLE?
You said PJ for Two 2nds was a GREAT deal. Better than the Vasquez trade was the initial argument YOU made... Now you say, Norm/PJ/Rose regardless of stat differential, age, or quality of team they come from, are ALL just "traditionally the type of players that go for 2nds" when approaching UFA.
ppg is a weak argument, Tucker's role is defense. And when you consider what I would pay Norm, also consider what you would pay Norm. It seems like you think Norm would be terrible value at my future contract prediction. My valuation was as a starter for the Raptors, factoring in more reps through this season in that role, averaging about 20. It's looking forward into the future on this. Other teams, that don't know him, that might not even have a starting guard/wing spot open at this point, might not have that same read and be willing to cough up a first to find out.
Well if that's the case, how the hell can a standard value, run-of-the mill deadline trade be one of Masai's BEST deals, even better than the Vasquez trade that netted us a 1st/2nd? You don't see how you shift your valuations to suit your narrative?
Again, I don't get this. Anytime you can land a starting-calibre player for 2nds, it's great value.
Straight-forward question... If someone tomorrow offers us a lottery protected 1st Rd pick and salary-filler for Norm would you pull the trigger?
Why do you even need to ask this of me? I'm not in asset-build mode or whatever you want to call tanking. I'm willing to risk Norm walking for nothing than get back a first for him, because there's potential value to the Raptors to keep him in the fold and add him to the SL next year. That doesn't mean I'm against trading him, like for instance the Lonzo Ball rumour would make some sense if they wanted to add another creator/ballhandler with some controllability and felt like their future contracts would hash out about the same. But, I'm not dumping him for picks right now. I'm not interested in weakening the team at the moment for a mid to late first, which could be something and could be nothing.
Now, to throw it back at any tankers. If the best offer is 2nd rounders/ballast for Norm, would you do it because it's still technically asset-building?
