Shams: Brad to replace Ainge

Kreamy · Post #81 » by **Kreamy** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:28 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:How long until Woj links Masai to Boston?

"Ujiri giving strong consideration to Boston job. Says a racist city like Boston is optimal for furthering the interests of his African charity"

Dalek · Post #82 » by **Dalek** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:30 pm

I caught it on the TNT post-game but Stevens had some interest in joining the Pacers (or maybe the Pacers were pushing quietly). I know the Hoosiers were also interested but they got Mike Woodson, but likely Boston panicked about losing their golden child.

To me this is a change for the sake of change. Boston is in a really good place. They have two stars under 24 that are guys you can build around. If they are desperate, I can see them flip Brown for a big name like KAT. Really, they just need to shed Kemba. He stinks, but it is not obvious to many people.

Par36 · Post #83 » by **Par36** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:28 pm

Kreamy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:How long until Woj links Masai to Boston?

"Ujiri giving strong consideration to Boston job. Says a racist city like Boston is optimal for furthering the interests of his African charity"

Celtics fans already brought it up in page 1 :lol:

Boston as a future potential hot mess...kinda does my heart good.

Kevin Willis · Post #84 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:15 pm

SharoneWright wrote:This is less about Brad's "promotion" than it is about Ainge being fired.

Danny had like 10 draft picks at one point. His team should be even better than this by now.

Blood Orange · Post #85 » by **Blood Orange** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:19 pm

Danny Ainge exiting the dumpster fire in Boston

mtcan · Post #86 » by **mtcan** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:22 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:This is less about Brad's "promotion" than it is about Ainge being fired.

Danny had like 10 draft picks at one point. His team should be even better than this by now.

Of all the draft picks he has made in the last 7 years...Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Rob Williams and Smart are the only guys that have ended up being decent players. The rest are wasted picks. What is Ainge's percentage for draft hits? How does that compare with Masai's percentage of hits?

Pooh_Jeter · Post #87 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:22 pm

Not shocked that Stevens would jump at this opportunity, but surprised it was even an option. Not sure what kind of personnel chops he has.

You could do a lot worse than starting out with a Tatum/Brown tandem. I imagine Smart is on the move and it will take some real creativity to get out of that Kemba contract. Pierce and Kidd as the initial coaching targets doesn't inspire much confidence, but it's super early.

Mack11 · Post #88 » by **Mack11** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:25 pm

All these Celtics players that had a problem with him behind closed doors prob know their days are numbered now lol

MavCarter · Post #89 » by **MavCarter** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:33 pm

Spida888 · Post #90 » by **Spida888** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:36 pm

Interesting. Ainge is actually a pretty good GM, that Jaylen Brown contract is a bargain. The largest TPE in NBA history used on Fournier is pretty funny though.

I don't want to make fun of them too much before the Masai situation is resolved.

billy_hoyle · Post #91 » by **billy_hoyle** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:00 pm

Ainge didn't do poorly. However, he set himself up to absolutely crush (draft picks + cap space + current overachieving starters/stars)... And whiffed on almost all his late draft picks.

You probably couldn't have ended up with worse assets then what he ended with. Like... I like Tatum, Brown and Smart, but if you have that many picks (including the high Nets picks), this is basically the bare minimum assets to have.

I'm with the people who think this is the same as firing both the coach and GM.

The coach and GM aren't very similiar roles, one is a game tactician and motivator, the other a cap/trade/scout expert. Being a good to great coach doesn't make Stevens a good option as a GM.

To me the C's just lost a good young coach, and a great Cap and trade GM. Ainges' scouting/drafting wasn't entirely bad, but it wasn't good IMO. You absolutely need to be good at that to succeed for most front offices. Masai/Webster/Tolzman have arguably been the top offices in this regard.

agkagk · Post #92 » by **agkagk** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:13 pm

Canadian6ersFan wrote:What a dumpster fire. Love it. FTC.

W

Welcome to bizarro world

The Knicks are one or two good moves away from being the cream of the crop in the east.

Can’t wait for them to knick it up :lol:

OAKLEY_2 · Post #93 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:23 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:So that's what happens when you draft too many point guards but then backtrack to Kyrie and Kemba... Wooosh. I think Ainge is a great Exec. to be honest. So if Masai bolts MLSE step up to the plate! Sixers bombed last year and got Morey and Doc. I guess that is their take on accountability in a bubble and Covid Olympics. Thank gawd we didn't do 7-11 like the Celts. Maybe Brown and Tatum are the new Marner and Matthews. Crowned stars far too early.

I think the racism thing got Danny in the end. Not saying he's racist, but he's not exactly "woke" either. So he needs to spend some time in the wilderness. Raps have a reputation of being a woke franchise, so Ainge wouldn't be a good fit.

Celtics seem to have been ordered (by the league?) to bring in a black coach. Since the Hawks haven't extended Nate McMillan yet, Celtics should jump in with a pot of money. Why hire the guy who was fired before Nate came in and did a great job?

It was Raps and Celtics who partnered on BLM before Milwaukee pulled the plug on their game causing a reset in the bubble. I just would be careful of assuming Ainge is quasi racist if we do not have hard evidence. Otherwise that is just a hardcore assertion.

douggood · Post #94 » by **douggood** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:24 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:So that's what happens when you draft too many point guards but then backtrack to Kyrie and Kemba... Wooosh. I think Ainge is a great Exec. to be honest. So if Masai bolts MLSE step up to the plate! Sixers bombed last year and got Morey and Doc. I guess that is their take on accountability in a bubble and Covid Olympics. Thank gawd we didn't do 7-11 like the Celts. Maybe Brown and Tatum are the new Marner and Matthews. Crowned stars far too early.

I think the racism thing got Danny in the end. Not saying he's racist, but he's not exactly "woke" either. So he needs to spend some time in the wilderness. Raps have a reputation of being a woke franchise, so Ainge wouldn't be a good fit.

Celtics seem to have been ordered (by the league?) to bring in a black coach. Since the Hawks haven't extended Nate McMillan yet, Celtics should jump in with a pot of money. Why hire the guy who was fired before Nate came in and did a great job?

It was Raps and Celtics who partnered on BLM before Milwaukee pulled the plug on their game causing a reset in the bubble. I just would be careful of assuming Ainge is quasi racist if we do not have hard evidence. Otherwise that is just a hardcore assertion.

that was the players in the bubble. FVV and jaylen brown especially.

tecumseh18 · Post #95 » by **tecumseh18** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:35 pm

douggood wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
I think the racism thing got Danny in the end. Not saying he's racist, but he's not exactly "woke" either. So he needs to spend some time in the wilderness. Raps have a reputation of being a woke franchise, so Ainge wouldn't be a good fit.

Celtics seem to have been ordered (by the league?) to bring in a black coach. Since the Hawks haven't extended Nate McMillan yet, Celtics should jump in with a pot of money. Why hire the guy who was fired before Nate came in and did a great job?

It was Raps and Celtics who partnered on BLM before Milwaukee pulled the plug on their game causing a reset in the bubble. I just would be careful of assuming Ainge is quasi racist if we do not have hard evidence. Otherwise that is just a hardcore assertion.

that was the players in the bubble. FVV and jaylen brown especially.

I am absolutely not calling Ainge a racist. I am saying he seems tone deaf to the issue. He's better than Dan Gilbert, but by how much I can't say.

Yes, within the C's organization, JB has been the leader of the BLM movement. And "coincidentally", he's been the one there have been rumours about trading. Funny how that happens.

kalel123 · Post #96 » by **kalel123** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:59 pm

I guess Celtics owner really likes Stevens to promote him with no prior experience.

It's amazing how little Ainge got done with so many good draft picks sprinkled with some big FA signings.

Cael · Post #97 » by **Cael** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:11 pm

Failed up.

Johnny Bball · Post #98 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:33 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:For some reason people don't seem to get how its possible Ainge could get fired.

I'll put it this way. You get four or five kicks at the can and no matter how good you are, you can't get over the hump. At some point it's the coach or GM that needs to go. Brad Stevens is too good, you want to keep him. Basically, Ainge is Dwayne Casey in his coach of the year season, he has to go for the team to try to get over the hump. Ainge had countless opportunities to try and do that and didn't do it. Just as Casey did without any effort at change.

So he's toast.

You cannot keep a GM that obviously has such a low risk tolerance, when you're close.

Can't get over the hump? He brought them a title.

Then he rebuilt the team, and got them back to the ECF multiple times.

He was easily a top-5 executive in the league.

As in had a " war chest" and the last 5-6 years did nothing wit hit and can't get over the hump. You know exactly what I meant. If you think you GM gets 15 years between titles while screwing up like the last few years, that you opinion.

And he's not a top five executive in the league because he's not an executive in the league, and they just moved on from him. You can pretend I didn't predict this would happen, but if I could see it coming, well there far more reasons that what you assumed, which is no reason.

They went the the ECF because of their seeding purely. That's all. Play James in early rounds and you're bitching at Ainge like you bitch at Derozan.

Tor_Raps · Post #99 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:35 pm

If Masai leaves then I'd want Ainge as our next President without question. He was a victim of his own success. Not many have done what he built in Boston over these years. Flame away lol.

Johnny Bball · Post #100 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:36 pm

RapsFan008 wrote:Interesting. Ainge is actually a pretty good GM, that Jaylen Brown contract is a bargain. The largest TPE in NBA history used on Fournier is pretty funny though.

I don't want to make fun of them too much before the Masai situation is resolved.

He lowballed Brown at 4/80, pissed him off, then paid him 4/115 a week later. Even in that negotiation Ainge had no clue.

Ainge is living off a lot of years ago and hasn't been a good GM for some time. All this does is make them better.