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Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:38 pm
by radeonboy
Basketball_Jones wrote:Giannis is on another planet physically nobody can be him. But he really does lack a lot of creativity and can’t create his own shot in the half court well. It’s one reason why the Bucks can’t win it all unless they land another superstar
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:41 pm
by radeonboy
LJKO wrote:I said this before and i'll say it again, Giannis need a better supporting cast around him and a coach that is not stupid like Bud. No matter what you add if you have Middleton as your No.2 option you aint getting no where.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:13 pm
by StopitLeo
Basketball_Jones wrote:Giannis is on another planet physically nobody can be him. But he really does lack a lot of creativity and can’t create his own shot in the half court well. It’s one reason why the Bucks can’t win it all unless they land another superstar
Or Kawhi gets hurt…
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:17 pm
by OakleyDokely
This is like asking why can't I be as good looking as Brad Pitt.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:43 pm
by LJKO
radeonboy wrote:LJKO wrote:I said this before and i'll say it again, Giannis need a better supporting cast around him and a coach that is not stupid like Bud. No matter what you add if you have Middleton as your No.2 option you aint getting no where.
Whats funny? Them winning a championship doesn't change this statement I made. I'm sorry to say but Bud is still stupid coach whom was close to being fired and Middleton ain't a No.2 option. They lucky Giannis play out of his mind and got an easy passage in the playoffs after Brooklyn choked because if it's any other year Bucks would of not even made it to the Finals
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:50 pm
by Ranger One
LOL!
No.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:48 am
by LBJKB24MJ23
ItsDanger wrote:Stop comparing Pascal to a confirmed playoff choker. He needs to emulate players from 10-20+ years ago. Giannis is more of a traditional PF. Pascal is more of a finesse PF. Embrace it and adopt skills suited to your abilities.
This aged well.
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Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:20 am
by ItsDanger
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Stop comparing Pascal to a confirmed playoff choker. He needs to emulate players from 10-20+ years ago. Giannis is more of a traditional PF. Pascal is more of a finesse PF. Embrace it and adopt skills suited to your abilities.
This aged well.
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Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:26 am
by Johnny Bball
ItsDanger wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Stop comparing Pascal to a confirmed playoff choker. He needs to emulate players from 10-20+ years ago. Giannis is more of a traditional PF. Pascal is more of a finesse PF. Embrace it and adopt skills suited to your abilities.
This aged well.
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so they win the finals and this is your excuse for calling him a playoff choker when he dominates the series and the final game... yeah that post is **** terrible.
Just own the L and take your receipt.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:40 am
by OakleyDokely
By the way, what Siakam has become as a 27th pick is **** outstanding. He's become one of the top players from his draft class.
It's unfair to compare him to a top 3 player who might end up as one of the top 15-20 players of alltime.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:20 pm
by D.Brasco
ItsDanger wrote:LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Stop comparing Pascal to a confirmed playoff choker. He needs to emulate players from 10-20+ years ago. Giannis is more of a traditional PF. Pascal is more of a finesse PF. Embrace it and adopt skills suited to your abilities.
This aged well.
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If only KD was smart enough to scoot an inch back before he shot, this was a big choke on his part in hindsight.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:25 pm
by Steelo Green
OakleyDokely wrote:By the way, what Siakam has become as a 27th pick is **** outstanding. He's become one of the top players from his draft class.
It's unfair to compare him to a top 3 player who might end up as one of the top 15-20 players of alltime.
You’re judged by your salary not your draft selection.
Kawhi and Giannis 15th pick, Middleton 39, Jokic 41, does it matter where they were picked or the fact they got paid?
If Pascal was making 15 mil, then he’s insane value, but paid 30 mil… yeah not so much.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:29 pm
by Basketball_Jones
I would just like Siakam to be what he was in Oct-Nov 2019 is that too much to ask?
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:33 pm
by OakleyDokely
Steelo Green wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:By the way, what Siakam has become as a 27th pick is **** outstanding. He's become one of the top players from his draft class.
It's unfair to compare him to a top 3 player who might end up as one of the top 15-20 players of alltime.
You’re judged by your salary not your draft selection.
Kawhi and Giannis 15th pick, Middleton 39, Jokic 41, does it matter where they were picked or the fact they got paid?
If Pascal was making 15 mil, then he’s insane value, but paid 30 mil… yeah not so much.
Siakam has like the 25th highest salary in the NBA.
Your salary is only an issue if it becomes a negative asset and that's not the case with Siakam. He can be traded for value today if Masai decided to go that route.
His contract is fair value for a top 3 option on a champion and teams around the NBA would be interested in him if he was available because he's a versatile two way player.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:30 pm
by lobosloboslobos
You mean better development than drafting a guy 27th who only started playing ball at 17 and turning him into Robin on a Championship team? Better than that? Sure, in rainbowland he could have become the greatest player ever, but we took a raw outlier late in the draft and helped turn him into a champion and all-star. Development doesn't get much better than that.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:20 am
by WildWolfdog
LJKO wrote:radeonboy wrote:LJKO wrote:I said this before and i'll say it again, Giannis need a better supporting cast around him and a coach that is not stupid like Bud. No matter what you add if you have Middleton as your No.2 option you aint getting no where.
Whats funny? Them winning a championship doesn't change this statement I made. I'm sorry to say but Bud is still stupid coach whom was close to being fired and Middleton ain't a No.2 option. They lucky Giannis play out of his mind and got an easy passage in the playoffs after Brooklyn choked because if it's any other year Bucks would of not even made it to the Finals
Take the L, man.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:11 am
by Basketball_Jones
Giannis proved a lot of us wrong by hitting his free throws and taking over games in a huge way offensively. These are two things many doubted he could do when it mattered.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:05 am
by GreatWhiteStiff
OakleyDokely wrote:By the way, what Siakam has become as a 27th pick is **** outstanding. He's become one of the top players from his draft class.
It's unfair to compare him to a top 3 player who might end up as one of the top 15-20 players of alltime.
The main difference between Gianna's and siakam coming out of the draft was Gianna's was a tall skinny guard like player siakam was who he was but needed skill improvement and bball reps. Gianna's added three inches of height and fifty pounds of muscle and became a legendary physical speciman somewhere near the lvl of lebron or shaq. Siakam never had a chance at that transcendent transformational upside. This should be patently obvious methinks.
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:18 am
by HiJiNX
Steelo Green wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:By the way, what Siakam has become as a 27th pick is **** outstanding. He's become one of the top players from his draft class.
It's unfair to compare him to a top 3 player who might end up as one of the top 15-20 players of alltime.
You’re judged by your salary not your draft selection.
Kawhi and Giannis 15th pick, Middleton 39, Jokic 41, does it matter where they were picked or the fact they got paid?
If Pascal was making 15 mil, then he’s insane value, but paid 30 mil… yeah not so much.
Do you wake up everyday and think, “how am I going to ignore all context to trash Siakam on the internet today?”
Re: With better development could Pascal have become another Giannis?
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:55 pm
by daswunderboy
Pascal is an all-star. He was drafted nearly last in the first round at age 22 and was developed internally from there, going from 4 points per game to 22...how much more could the team and Pascal really have done? His career arc is amazing, and this OP acts as if he's been failed by the team and his training regime. Dude has wrung out every bit of talent he could in these 5 years, and he can still get better.