Summer League Thread Part 5: Raps win Finale 86-72. Banton 9,9,4/Morgan 24pts

[Clutch0z24]

In terms of all around play so far id rate the Rookies from the summer league games i watched (Not talking about whos gonna be better 5 years, but right now)

1.Green (Just has too many offensive moves)
2.Cade
3.Suggs
4.Kuminga
5.Mitchell
6.Barnes
7.Mobley
9.Duarte
10.Moody
11.Bouknight
12.Johnson
13.Sengun

That is my 13 atm ranked with how impressed i have been in the games i seen so far i might be missing some but yeah..

Kuminga showed me he has a variety of moves in his bag and attacks strong on the offensive end and is an athletic monster with how quick he can move for his size... hes aggressive always looking for his shot which i like and really surprised me....Especially at 18 years old

Mitchell looks to be one of the better perimeter Defenders i seen this early hes a hawk hounding everyone....And on top of that showed he has a really good offensive game as well with step back jumpers/3 pointers/good drive finisher at the rim...Just looks to be a stud

Oh and before some of you flame my list here and say "Kuminga shot 10 percent from 3 or w/e" i am not basing the list off box scores or stat sheets cause every rookie in summer league has shot poor ....I am basing it off eye test and how they look making moves/feel for the game/touch/skills

The rest i feel are ranked in the right order gonna be a good Draft class for sure tho

[OhCanada1091]

In terms of all around play so far id rate the Rookies from the summer league games i watched (Not talking about whos gonna be better 5 years, but right now)

1.Green (Just has too many offensive moves)
2.Cade
3.Suggs
4.Kuminga
5.Mitchell
6.Barnes
7.Mobley
9.Moody
10.Bouknight

That is my 10 atm raked with how impressed i have been in the games i seen so far i might be missing some but yeah..

Kuminga showed me he has a variety of moves in his bag and attacks strong on the offensive end and is an athletic monster with how quick he can move for his size... hes aggressive always looking for his shot which i like and really surprised me....Especially at 18 years old

Mitchell looks to be one of the better perimeter Defenders i seen this early hes a hawk hounding everyone....And on top of that showed he has a really good offensive game as well with step back jumpers/3 pointers/good drive finisher at the rim...Just looks to be a stud

The rest i feel are ranked in the right order gonna be a good Draft class for sure tho

Sengun? Cunningham? Jalen Johnson? Cooper? Duarte? Cam Thomas? Sims?

This drafts too deep for a top 10 list.

[Clutch0z24]

In terms of all around play so far id rate the Rookies from the summer league games i watched (Not talking about whos gonna be better 5 years, but right now)

1.Green (Just has too many offensive moves)
2.Cade
3.Suggs
4.Kuminga
5.Mitchell
6.Barnes
7.Mobley
9.Moody
10.Bouknight

That is my 10 atm raked with how impressed i have been in the games i seen so far i might be missing some but yeah..

Kuminga showed me he has a variety of moves in his bag and attacks strong on the offensive end and is an athletic monster with how quick he can move for his size... hes aggressive always looking for his shot which i like and really surprised me....Especially at 18 years old

Mitchell looks to be one of the better perimeter Defenders i seen this early hes a hawk hounding everyone....And on top of that showed he has a really good offensive game as well with step back jumpers/3 pointers/good drive finisher at the rim...Just looks to be a stud

The rest i feel are ranked in the right order gonna be a good Draft class for sure tho

Sengun? Cunningham? Jalen Johnson? Cooper? Duarte? Cam Thomas? Sims?

This drafts too deep for a top 10 list.

Oh yeah one guy i left off Was Duarte id put duarte in the 9 range....Jalen Johnson for me would be at 12 behind Bouknight Sengun would be middle of the pack and the rest follow ....This class is deep but these are just guys off top of my head who impressed me

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[DangerZone13]

Random thoughts: I'm getting Josh Smith vibes from Kuminga for some reason, anyone else?

I'm wondering if they're running Scottie in spurts with lots of directive on the bench. "Scottie, show me this on this shift." It's also very Raptors to keep things in the dark. They know what Scottie can do, and what to work on, so get him reps in his rookie role so he can come out of the gate strong.

Big Wainright fan already. If he can hit his open shots, he'll be a good glue guy, and there's something to be said for the toughness he brings as well. Unless something major shakes out, I expect he'll be on the roster this year.

There will be struggles, but I think it's going to be a fun season.

[WuTang_CMB]

Congrats to banton. Showed some nice flashes. The potential is there. He earned it.

[Kingsway_fan]

Random thoughts: I'm getting Josh Smith vibes from Kuminga for some reason, anyone else?

I'm wondering if they're running Scottie in spurts with lots of directive on the bench. "Scottie, show me this on this shift." It's also very Raptors to keep things in the dark. They know what Scottie can do, and what to work on, so get him reps in his rookie role so he can come out of the gate strong.

Big Wainright fan already. If he can hit his open shots, he'll be a good glue guy, and there's something to be said for the toughness he brings as well. Unless something major shakes out, I expect he'll be on the roster this year.

There will be struggles, but I think it's going to be a fun season.

He is a FA, isn't he?... do they have an open roster spot for him?

[OhCanada1091]

Random thoughts: I'm getting Josh Smith vibes from Kuminga for some reason, anyone else?

I'm wondering if they're running Scottie in spurts with lots of directive on the bench. "Scottie, show me this on this shift." It's also very Raptors to keep things in the dark. They know what Scottie can do, and what to work on, so get him reps in his rookie role so he can come out of the gate strong.

Big Wainright fan already. If he can hit his open shots, he'll be a good glue guy, and there's something to be said for the toughness he brings as well. Unless something major shakes out, I expect he'll be on the roster this year.

There will be struggles, but I think it's going to be a fun season.

You know who's the better Josh Smith comparison? Precious Achiuwa. In fact he's been compared to Josh for years now. Kuminga's much smaller, its like 3 inch difference. He also projects more of an offensive minded player. I don't really like the Jaylen Brown character, because Brown plays more like a big gaurd but I think thats the closest one I can think of.

[OakleyDokely]

Kuminga basically played like he did in the gleague this year. He display very good athleticism. He got to the basket off the dribble and finished inside or got to the line. But he has also displayed the exact same weakness - high volume shot taker with low efficiency, he hasn't displaced much passing ability and the ball usually stops when it gets to him and there's no defensive consistency at all. He's still young and some of these issues can be improved, but he has to display more than off the dribble penetration to be an impact player.

Funny thing is, Kuminga is shooting about the same % as Barnes in summer league without all the over stuff like playmaking, defense etc

High PPG and flashy dunks gets you noticed in SL/preseason games.

[billy_hoyle]

Kuminga basically played like he did in the gleague this year. He display very good athleticism. He got to the basket off the dribble and finished inside or got to the line. But he has also displayed the exact same weakness - high volume shot taker with low efficiency, he hasn't displaced much passing ability and the ball usually stops when it gets to him and there's no defensive consistency at all. He's still young and some of these issues can be improved, but he has to display more than off the dribble penetration to be an impact player.

Funny thing is, Kuminga shot about the same % as Barnes in summer league without all the over stuff like playmaking, defense etc

High PPG and flashy dunks gets you noticed in SL/preseason games.

Ya, maybe they shot the same percentage roughly, but Kuminga looked comfortable shooting some really tough shots. In the game against us, he blew a couple chippies, including a monster dunk. He's able to get shots that I think he will eventually be able to make consistently.

He honestly looks like he will be the best scorer and best athlete attacking the rim. Reminds me big time of Tmac.

Now, I'm not saying he will be better than Barnes, who clearly impacts the other side of the ball, and provides a different kind of playmaking. Different players, different impact.

[OakleyDokely]

Kuminga basically played like he did in the gleague this year. He display very good athleticism. He got to the basket off the dribble and finished inside or got to the line. But he has also displayed the exact same weakness - high volume shot taker with low efficiency, he hasn't displaced much passing ability and the ball usually stops when it gets to him and there's no defensive consistency at all. He's still young and some of these issues can be improved, but he has to display more than off the dribble penetration to be an impact player.

Funny thing is, Kuminga shot about the same % as Barnes in summer league without all the over stuff like playmaking, defense etc

High PPG and flashy dunks gets you noticed in SL/preseason games.

Ya, maybe they shot the same percentage roughly, but Kuminga looked comfortable shooting some really tough shots. In the game against us, he blew a couple chippies, including a monster dunk. He's able to get shots that I think he will eventually be able to make consistently.

He honestly looks like he will be the best scorer and best athlete attacking the rim. Reminds me big time of Tmac.

Now, I'm not saying he will be better than Barnes, who clearly impacts the other side of the ball, and provides a different kind of playmaking. Different players, different impact.

I like Kuminga as well. The potential to be an impact scorer is there. I just find it interesting that the excitement around him now is off the charts when his performance at SL has been very similar to his performance in the gleague which caused his draft stock to drop a bit among GMs.

[Clutch0z24]

Kuminga basically played like he did in the gleague this year. He display very good athleticism. He got to the basket off the dribble and finished inside or got to the line. But he has also displayed the exact same weakness - high volume shot taker with low efficiency, he hasn't displaced much passing ability and the ball usually stops when it gets to him and there's no defensive consistency at all. He's still young and some of these issues can be improved, but he has to display more than off the dribble penetration to be an impact player.

Funny thing is, Kuminga shot about the same % as Barnes in summer league without all the over stuff like playmaking, defense etc

High PPG and flashy dunks gets you noticed in SL/preseason games.

Ya, maybe they shot the same percentage roughly, but Kuminga looked comfortable shooting some really tough shots. In the game against us, he blew a couple chippies, including a monster dunk. He's able to get shots that I think he will eventually be able to make consistently.

He honestly looks like he will be the best scorer and best athlete attacking the rim. Reminds me big time of Tmac.

Now, I'm not saying he will be better than Barnes, who clearly impacts the other side of the ball, and provides a different kind of playmaking. Different players, different impact.

I like Kuminga as well. The potential to be an impact scorer is there. I just find it interesting that the excitement around him now is off the charts when his performance at SL has been very similar to his performance in the gleague which caused his draft stock to drop a bit among GMs.

I would agree with your take if all the other rookies were shooting good percentages in the SL but no one is so based on the eye test Kuminga looks like he has all the tools to be a legit Scorer from all 3 levels in the future....Ofc it will take time for consistency it takes players about 3-5 years for the game to slow down for them and get to the spots they like to be more efficient...

Kuminga showed me he has a respectable 3 point shot , attacks the rim with power, decent finisher, good ball handling and he is also Only 18 years old ....In about 5 years he will be only 23 years old and by then he will be a beast in the league for sure

[HumbleRen]

Kuminga basically played like he did in the gleague this year. He display very good athleticism. He got to the basket off the dribble and finished inside or got to the line. But he has also displayed the exact same weakness - high volume shot taker with low efficiency, he hasn't displaced much passing ability and the ball usually stops when it gets to him and there's no defensive consistency at all. He's still young and some of these issues can be improved, but he has to display more than off the dribble penetration to be an impact player.

Funny thing is, Kuminga shot about the same % as Barnes in summer league without all the over stuff like playmaking, defense etc

High PPG and flashy dunks gets you noticed in SL/preseason games.

Ya, maybe they shot the same percentage roughly, but Kuminga looked comfortable shooting some really tough shots. In the game against us, he blew a couple chippies, including a monster dunk. He's able to get shots that I think he will eventually be able to make consistently.

He honestly looks like he will be the best scorer and best athlete attacking the rim. Reminds me big time of Tmac.

Now, I'm not saying he will be better than Barnes, who clearly impacts the other side of the ball, and provides a different kind of playmaking. Different players, different impact.

I like Kuminga as well. The potential to be an impact scorer is there. I just find it interesting that the excitement around him now is off the charts when his performance at SL has been very similar to his performance in the gleague which caused his draft stock to drop a bit among GMs.

It’s more so seeing what can translate to the next level rather than efficiency. Kuminga can get to his spots whenever he wants to due to his tight handles and explosive first step so with development and reps, it’s easy to see how high his ceiling can be in terms of being a prolific scorer. He’s also shown more defence in the SL than he’s ever shown in the G League, so that’s a nice surprise for people.

With Barnes though, we haven’t seen anything at all that can translate to the next level in terms of offence. To his credit though, our team hasn’t put him in any scenario for his strengths to shine so there’s a caveat there.

[Dennis 37]

Dragic is going to start, no way teams will trade for a 20m who is not a starting quality.
Teams who do not play their player, that player usually end up being waived, so I don't see that.
Birch is starting as well, that is the reason he signed with us instead of the Bulls.

Most likely this is our lineup:
VanVleet / Flynn / Banton
Dragic / Trent / Wainright
OG / Barnes / Watanabe
Siakam / Boucher / Dekker
Birch / Achiuwa / Gillespie

Dragic will NOT start. He's a throw-in because we wanted Precious. Dragic is also injury prone...so if there is a chance you are looking to trade him this season...your best interest is to keep him from getting injured and therefore, playing him as little as possible. He's out for 3 to 4 months with whatever injury...kiss any chance at getting any value in return for him in a trade. Don't give a **** how much money he makes. He's not supposed to be a Raptor.

You don't sign Gary Trent to a bigger and longer deal than Dragic's one year salary to have him come off the bench. You don't draft Barnes so that a guy who doesn't even want to be in Toronto eats into his minutes.

If Dragic gets the Andre Iguodala treatment...which is...tell him to stay home and away from the team until a trade is made...that's probably the smartest decision.

That is your perspective in claiming him "not supposed to be a Raptor", but I wouldn't be surprised that is not how Ujiri and Nurse evaluate. Furthermore, that is not how team evaluate who they would trade for. Meanwhile, no team wants to trade for Iguodala back then, everyone think he was a wash, and waiting for his buyout.

For us to get more from Dragic, we better play him as a starter, otherwise, both agent and other team will see him as a buyout option at deadline (0 value).

My purpose for showing the depth chart, was simply to show the players we have signed, not necessarily to indicate the pecking order.

My point was to indicate that Banton has not been signed yet, which I find odd. Johnson was signed quickly, and, to be honest, he's been pretty invisible.

[RaptorReloaded]

Ya, maybe they shot the same percentage roughly, but Kuminga looked comfortable shooting some really tough shots. In the game against us, he blew a couple chippies, including a monster dunk. He's able to get shots that I think he will eventually be able to make consistently.

He honestly looks like he will be the best scorer and best athlete attacking the rim. Reminds me big time of Tmac.

Now, I'm not saying he will be better than Barnes, who clearly impacts the other side of the ball, and provides a different kind of playmaking. Different players, different impact.

I like Kuminga as well. The potential to be an impact scorer is there. I just find it interesting that the excitement around him now is off the charts when his performance at SL has been very similar to his performance in the gleague which caused his draft stock to drop a bit among GMs.

It’s more so seeing what can translate to the next level rather than efficiency. Kuminga can get to his spots whenever he wants to due to his tight handles and explosive first step so with development and reps, it’s easy to see how high his ceiling can be in terms of being a prolific scorer. He’s also shown more defence in the SL than he’s ever shown in the G League, so that’s a nice surprise for people.

With Barnes though, we haven’t seen anything at all that can translate to the next level in terms of offence. To his credit though, our team hasn’t put him in any scenario for his strengths to shine so there’s a caveat there.

I think Barnes has shown some flashes of offensive brilliance. His fade-away over Kuminga and even that one field goal from last game where he did a hook shot was really impressive. You could tell Barnes is much bigger and stronger than Kuminga and one of the bigger dudes on the floor no matter what.

The problem is his flashes are few and have felt far in between mixed with very awkward flat footed blunders. Personally I would have liked to see Barnes get the ball more but I can understand our coaching staff taking a different approach or are being careful to avoid injury. This Summer League is not going to define Scottie's career. The training, reps and being around our team after this is what will.

[LastNameEver]

Kuminga looks like a DeAndre Hunter type of prospect, in the PG/Kawhi lite mold. He might progress faster than Barnes

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Kuminga - 17.3ppg on 36% shooting
Scottie - 13.3ppg on 30% shooting

Just a weird take. They both have been bad at scoring

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Kuminga - 17.3ppg on 36% shooting
Scottie - 13.3ppg on 30% shooting

Just a weird take. They both have been bad at scoring

Kuminga's forcing it a lot. He looks like he might be an inefficient volume scorer. But he's so lucky he gets to play with Steph, Klay and Draymond. They'll make sure he fixes those holes.

To me, Scottie's biggest issue is him being misused. They have the kid standing around on the perimeter like he's Jason Kapono. It's mind boggling. We're definitely missing something.

[MavCarter]

Wouldnt want jeff green 2.0 on this roster even if you paid me. Give him consistent minutes and you'll see how annoyingly bad his shot selection is

[Clutch0z24]

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Kuminga - 17.3ppg on 36% shooting
Scottie - 13.3ppg on 30% shooting

Just a weird take. They both have been bad at scoring

Barnes will be the better Defender , Kuminga will be the better scorer ....Pick your poison tbh all these players in SL are shooting horrible percentage all you can go off is the eye test at this point.....So far Kuminga showed he has a legit offensive game that can be polished with some of the moves he has shown in game...

Barnes we are seeing flashes of it like 1 or 2 moves a game that make you say ok Barnes....But other times he looks like he will struggle (Airballing 3s , jumpers) and not looking like a great finisher around the rim...

I think it all just depends how they get developed...Kuminga is also getting more chances to show his stuff cause he is getting more touches...But atm Kuminga does look like he can create for himself more