PG: Raptors @ Kings - Raps win. 'Bout time

[SB4]

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Exactly what I told my bro before the game. Pascal’s intensity and motor, especially on the defensive end has to be there consistently. Forget the offence (as great as it was today). What makes him special is his motor and when that’s lacking, it takes away a huge element of his game. Happy with the bounce back tonight, but the Kings make it really hard to get an accurate assessment of how well we actually played.

[sycammer]

that's why i suggest moving him to off-guard, make Scottie as pg

Fred probably wouldn’t allow that. His ego too big to let a rookie play point forward/guard.

At some point, gotta hope Masai takes matters into his own hands. Probably not gonna happen till next season tho

I think its inevitable that 1 of the 2 - Pascal or Freddie will be moved as they are simply stopping scottie's development....again, scottie has to work on his 3 point shot, become a better 2pt jump shooter, but he cant any of that during the season if he doesn't get any touches....its ridiculous that he is being ignored...

lets be honest here, there was an excitement here / overall NBA as well that we got a steal with him but, past 5 -7 games, its like meh....if the raptors lose games with him as a no.1 option, I can live with that, but to be losing with pascal / Freddie & GTJ acting as if he is Kobe Bryant frustrating...

GTJ needs to be moved for a bigger SG ; Dec. 15, cant arrive soon enough...

[Scott Hall]

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[ItsDanger]

Birch&Achiuwa plus 2 of Siakam/OG/Scottie = better team performance ?

[mdenny]

It's amazing stuff. Apparently his ego is so big that Masai needs to step in.

He's 9th in the league in Assists to turnovers. Ahead of Kyle Lowry lol.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Kyle has a better assist to turnover ratio this season

Fred has 6.8 AST to 3.1 Turnovers
Kyle has 7.6 AST to 3.0 Turnovers

Lol I looked it up like 5 to 7 days ago. So I guess it changed. Look at the margin though. One or two games is enough to make up that margin lol

You're just cherry-picking stats to prove your agenda. Also....fred has had a better ratio than Kyle for years now. There is no long-term issue with Fred's turnovers. You're making stuff up. "Masai has to step in" lol.

[Syndrome]

We may never lose again.

[Bruin]

He's 9th in the league in Assists to turnovers. Ahead of Kyle Lowry lol.

Not sure where you’re getting that. Kyle has a better assist to turnover ratio this season

Fred has 6.8 AST to 3.1 Turnovers
Kyle has 7.6 AST to 3.0 Turnovers

Lol I looked it up like 5 to 7 days ago. So I guess it changed. Look at the margin though. You're just cherry-picking stats to prove your agenda. Also....fred has had a better ratio than Kyle for years now. There is no long-term issue with Fred's turnovers. You're making stuff up.

I’m cherry picking to prove my agenda? You posted a false stat and I corrected you lol

This is the first time Fred is actually primarily running PG though. Before that he had the luxury of playing next to Lowry

And even disregarding the ratio since it’s marginal as you say, Fred doesn’t have the same floor general presence. He’s not really running the offense like a true PG. the eye test says that and so do the numbers

[mdenny]

Not sure where you’re getting that. Kyle has a better assist to turnover ratio this season

Fred has 6.8 AST to 3.1 Turnovers
Kyle has 7.6 AST to 3.0 Turnovers

Lol I looked it up like 5 to 7 days ago. So I guess it changed. Look at the margin though. You're just cherry-picking stats to prove your agenda. Also....fred has had a better ratio than Kyle for years now. There is no long-term issue with Fred's turnovers. You're making stuff up.

I’m cherry picking to prove my agenda? You posted a false stat and I corrected you lol

This is the first time Fred is actually primarily running PG though. Before that he had the luxury of playing next to Lowry

And even disregarding the ratio since it’s marginal as you say, Fred doesn’t have the same floor general presence. He’s not really running the offense like a true PG. the eye test says that and so do the numbers

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

[orochi_i]

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Dude is legit hyping himself up after beating up on the **** Kings...

Will Lou made an interesting point in the postgame podcast last game: Siakam barely ever speaks up right after a game loss and/or when he underperforms.

Great leadership from our #1 guy... /s

[Los_29]

Fred probably wouldn’t allow that. His ego too big to let a rookie play point forward/guard.

At some point, gotta hope Masai takes matters into his own hands. Probably not gonna happen till next season tho

I think its inevitable that 1 of the 2 - Pascal or Freddie will be moved as they are simply stopping scottie's development....again, scottie has to work on his 3 point shot, become a better 2pt jump shooter, but he cant any of that during the season if he doesn't get any touches....its ridiculous that he is being ignored...

lets be honest here, there was an excitement here / overall NBA as well that we got a steal with him but, past 5 -7 games, its like meh....if the raptors lose games with him as a no.1 option, I can live with that, but to be losing with pascal / Freddie & GTJ acting as if he is Kobe Bryant frustrating...

GTJ needs to be moved for a bigger SG ; Dec. 15, cant arrive soon enough...

He's 2nd among rookies in shot attempts. He averaged 10ppg in college and actually attempted less shots per game in college than in the pros. He's developing just fine. How many shots a game was Giannis getting in his first couple of years? How bout Jokic? Tatum?

He's not being ignored and it's absurd to think he is.

[itbobby007]

Listen I love Scottie a ridiculous amount but no one is being moved this year because of him. He’s doing just fine guys. Friggin relax.

Also its nice getting a win after a tough stretch and seeing our best player (Siakam) have a good game. Enjoy the win, F TwO and have a good night.

[720]

Lol I looked it up like 5 to 7 days ago. So I guess it changed. Look at the margin though. You're just cherry-picking stats to prove your agenda. Also....fred has had a better ratio than Kyle for years now. There is no long-term issue with Fred's turnovers. You're making stuff up.

I’m cherry picking to prove my agenda? You posted a false stat and I corrected you lol

This is the first time Fred is actually primarily running PG though. Before that he had the luxury of playing next to Lowry

And even disregarding the ratio since it’s marginal as you say, Fred doesn’t have the same floor general presence. He’s not really running the offense like a true PG. the eye test says that and so do the numbers

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

[Bruin]

I’m cherry picking to prove my agenda? You posted a false stat and I corrected you lol

This is the first time Fred is actually primarily running PG though. Before that he had the luxury of playing next to Lowry

And even disregarding the ratio since it’s marginal as you say, Fred doesn’t have the same floor general presence. He’s not really running the offense like a true PG. the eye test says that and so do the numbers

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

You can tell who’s a casual when they’re saying Fred is all star caliber. Anyone who truly believes Fred is a Point Guard doesn’t truly understand the role of a Point Guard

There are many guys I’d rather have running our offense than Fred. And that’s not to say Fred isn’t a good player, cause he is good. He’s just not a real Point Guard

[LJKO]

At some point, gotta hope Masai takes matters into his own hands. Probably not gonna happen till next season tho

I think its inevitable that 1 of the 2 - Pascal or Freddie will be moved as they are simply stopping scottie's development....again, scottie has to work on his 3 point shot, become a better 2pt jump shooter, but he cant any of that during the season if he doesn't get any touches....its ridiculous that he is being ignored...

lets be honest here, there was an excitement here / overall NBA as well that we got a steal with him but, past 5 -7 games, its like meh....if the raptors lose games with him as a no.1 option, I can live with that, but to be losing with pascal / Freddie & GTJ acting as if he is Kobe Bryant frustrating...

GTJ needs to be moved for a bigger SG ; Dec. 15, cant arrive soon enough...

He's 2nd among rookies in shot attempts. He averaged 10ppg in college and actually attempted less shots per game in college than in the pros. He's developing just fine. How many shots a game was Giannis getting in his first couple of years? How bout Jokic? Tatum?

He's not being ignored and it's absurd to think he is.

Though I give a hard time on Pascal but I rather see us trade FVV and let Barnes be our point forward.

[mdenny]

I’m cherry picking to prove my agenda? You posted a false stat and I corrected you lol

This is the first time Fred is actually primarily running PG though. Before that he had the luxury of playing next to Lowry

And even disregarding the ratio since it’s marginal as you say, Fred doesn’t have the same floor general presence. He’s not really running the offense like a true PG. the eye test says that and so do the numbers

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

The claim was that the boxscore showed how "Masai needs to step in" regarding Fred. So are we referring to the boxscore or not?

"Look at the boxscore.....Fred sucks. Masai needs to step in"

[Los_29]

Do people seriously refer to Fred as Trashfleet? Is there an age requirement for this forum?

[Bruin]

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

The claim was that the boxscore showed how "Masai needs to step in" regarding Fred. So are we referring to the boxscore or not?

The box score didnt have anything to do with my point about Masai needing to step in. You’re combining 2 separate points

[720]

Do you think the stats you posted constitute evidence that "masai needs to step in"?

Fred is posting all-star numbers. Cry about it.

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

The claim was that the boxscore showed how "Masai needs to step in" regarding Fred. So are we referring to the boxscore or not?

PrinceAli can correct me if I’m misinterpreting him but I believe he means “step in”, in the context of if there is any resistance from Fred in a situation where Barnes gets an expanded role facilitating. In such a case, it’s irrelevant what his assist to turnover ratio is because like my post states, being a facilitator goes beyond getting assists.

[mdenny]

Do people seriously refer to Fred as Trashfleet? Is there an age requirement for this forum?

Bro...there is a grown man who has designed an avator signature addressing a "team mediocre" feud for which he is primarily motivated.

[mdenny]

Trashfleet fanboys and their love for boxscore stats. No wonder there is major overlap between Fred and Debrick fanboys.

He isn’t a point guard, he lacks the vision. Don’t care if he puts up assists. There is more to running the offense than getting assists. Controlling momentum, feeling out the players on your team and keeping them involved in an effective manner. Making sure you reward the guys working hard.

He’s an undersized shooting guard masquerading as a point.

The claim was that the boxscore showed how "Masai needs to step in" regarding Fred. So are we referring to the boxscore or not?

The box score didnt have anything to do with my point about Masai needing to step in. You’re combining 2 separate points

You cited Fred's assist to turnover ratio in tonight's game.