[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[OakleyDokely]

Turner blocks shots but his overall defensive impact isn't that great. He's going into the last year of his contract next year and he's already making close to 20 a year.

Sabonis is a tweener who isn't good defensively. He plays a spot on the floor the Raps already have covered.

Lavert is a huge injury risk.

All of these guys would be short term solutions and the Raps are after long term solutions.

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He's a good defender.

But that's my point. He really isn't great at anything, except blocking shots. He's average to good in most areas. Which is fine, he's a useful starting caliber player. But he isn't someone I give up good young assets for.

[Kurtz]

As people mentioned, I don't think we are in a rush to make a trade, as we are not desperate in becoming a contender. And Turner is not as impactful to make us go above a few tiers, so I am not sure other teams are giving up a lottery 1st for him.

I think our decision will largely impacted by what position Barnes plays at the next level. Is he a PF? Is he a SF? Is he a PG/PF?

I think we can safely pencil Scottie in as being able to play anywhere 2 through 4.

[pilkoids]

A rebuilding team shouldn't be giving away #1 picks or good prospects for expensive non star players in their mid to late 20s, unless they're ready to compete pretty soon.

At 25, Turner would fit our core. Assuming Trent is shipped the other way, a core of FVV-Scottie-OG-Siakam-Turner can be competitive right away and for the next 5 years. And on paper, that's the best defensive team in the league.

It's not so much his age I have issue with, it's that we would need to give up good young assets to get him and pay him quite a bit of money and what we'd be getting is basically a solid starter. I don't believe there's enough upside in a move like this.

Yeah as much as I like Turner, this is my concern as well. We would still be atleast 1 major piece away from actually contending, maybe more given how much it would take to trade for him.

[Mak]

Sure, Turner fits a need, but we are not very likely trading partners. We aren't giving up the pieces they need to rebuild, and the matching salaries don't make sense.

I see it working only as part of a 3 team trade where Turner comes here, a package with Dragic and others goes out to the third team, and the third team sends future picks to Indy, with us sending out Flynn and/or Boucher. I don't think Indy gets enough here though. I just don't see a realistic trade scenario that makes sense.

Which contenders have a use for Sabonis/Turner and the pieces to make it work? Maybe the Bucks need a C?

Depends what you want to give up here? Are you willing to give up protected 1st? Then dragic + first for Turner is pretty easy trade to make and they can just buy him out.

I just can't see masai giving up a pick for a team that is about to miss the playoffs. Turner does not automatically makes a playoff team.

Right, it would have to be lottery protected at least.

[TravisScott55]

Turner blocks shots but his overall defensive inpact isn't that great. He's going into the last year of his contract next year and he's already making close to 20 a year.

Sabonis is a tweener who isn't good defensively. He plays a spot on the floor the Raps already have covered.

Lavert is a huge injury risk.

All of these guys would be short term solutions and the Raps are after long term solutions.

He is a good defender. Opponents shoot under 50% at the rim against him. He also has been guarding the perimeter more (adequately) as he's playing with Sabonis who guards centers. He' s probably about average offensively though. We don't need a 20 point scorer at centre though. Just someone who can rim protect and space the floor adequately. Not a great rebounder though. Siakam is worth way more than him, even at his salary imo, and I don't think they would want Trent as they have good SGs.


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He's fine, but I'm really not interested in paying him 20-25 million a year which is what he's going to ask for after next year. He doesn't push the Raps any closer to championship contention.

I'm not convinced Precious can't eventually provide a similar impact at 10x less the cost. I'd rather just play and develop the young guys.

What if the trade is Boucher, and Dragic for Turner and Lamb?

[Swag]

A Toronto, Denver and Indy 3 team trade sending Pascal to the Nuggets - maybe?

I just dont know what Denver would be willing to give up.

I'd love to see Pascal on that roster with Jokic and Murray.

Not as much as I would love to see him in another jersey.

Unfortunately I dont think Denver has anything of value to bring forward.

[OakleyDokely]

He is a good defender. Opponents shoot under 50% at the rim against him. He also has been guarding the perimeter more (adequately) as he's playing with Sabonis who guards centers. He' s probably about average offensively though. We don't need a 20 point scorer at centre though. Just someone who can rim protect and space the floor adequately. Not a great rebounder though. Siakam is worth way more than him, even at his salary imo, and I don't think they would want Trent as they have good SGs.


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He's fine, but I'm really not interested in paying him 20-25 million a year which is what he's going to ask for after next year. He doesn't push the Raps any closer to championship contention.

I'm not convinced Precious can't eventually provide a similar impact at 10x less the cost. I'd rather just play and develop the young guys.

What if the trade is Boucher, and Dragic for Turner and Lamb?

If the price is that cheap fine but I dont see why IND does it

[HiJiNX]

As long as FVV/Siakam/OG/Barnes aren’t involved in any potential deals than I’m good. Each of those guys is as valuable or more valuable to a chip team than Turner or Sabonis. Especially Sabonis who is greatly overrated.

Turner is a rich man’s Birch who can defend the pnr way better than Birch can. He’s a good fit at the 5, but not for any of our top four guys.

It’s still really weird to me that y’all have watched the same last five games that I have and want to trade Siakam who appears to finally be “getting it” even if the conditioning and numbers aren’t there yet. The game is clearly slowing down for him, he’s learning how to integrate all the skills he works on, his D has been fabulous, he’s playing hard, playmaking and can also get you some offence pretty reliably. He’s also 6’9 and can guard 2/3/4. Not sure why you wanna get rid of him.

And yeah, you can say that those past five games are a small sample size, but what makes me excited is that Siakam is managing his emotions way better and as we all know his emotional lability has been the biggest issue with his performance. As an example, he started 1-6 last game. Then went 7/7 in the second Q, looking like a superstar. When has he ever done that? I’m willing to give him more time as he’s clearly maturing as a person and player.

I’m back on the Siakam stay bandwagon y’all!

[HangTime]

I'd like Turner on this team, I think staff could unlock alot more than Indiana has.

But, what's the real asking price?

[Jim Todd Jr.]

I would move siakam and a first for sabonis in a heartbeat

[HiJiNX]

I would move siakam and a first for sabonis in a heartbeat

No. Just no. Siakam AND a first??

I wouldn’t even move Siakam by himself for Sabonis.

Sabonis is a box score darling, but doesn’t really impact the games that well.

[TravisScott55]

He's fine, but I'm really not interested in paying him 20-25 million a year which is what he's going to ask for after next year. He doesn't push the Raps any closer to championship contention.

I'm not convinced Precious can't eventually provide a similar impact at 10x less the cost. I'd rather just play and develop the young guys.

What if the trade is Boucher, and Dragic for Turner and Lamb?

If the price is that cheap fine but I dont see why IND does it

because they are trying to bottom out and get 2 expiring deals

[Jim Todd Jr.]

You wouldnt trade siakam for sabonis straight up? thats crazy man.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

What if the trade is Boucher, and Dragic for Turner and Lamb?

If the price is that cheap fine but I dont see why IND does it

because they are trying to bottom out and get 2 expiring deals

Not happening man

[raptor jesus]

Raps aren't near close enough to contention to make a play for one of these guys worthwhile imo. I think they should be prioritizing their younger timeline, not looking to supplement the older one.

[Mak]

You wouldnt trade siakam for sabonis straight up? thats crazy man.

This will be funny when we actually see what Sabonis is traded for. It will be a couple of bench players and late picks. Hard to picture Sabonis playing C on a good playoff team.

[Jadoogar]

If the price is that cheap fine but I dont see why IND does it

because they are trying to bottom out and get 2 expiring deals

Not happening man

yea that's not nearly enough. i don't think the assets for a deal like that. Flynn and Banton aren't promising enough. Barnes and OG are too valuable.

Unfortunately i don't think we can get either one

[ruckus]

Just spitballing but how attractive is an unprotected 2022 first paired with Goran? For Turner. Indiana gets a rebuilding piece and an expiring contract.

Does Turner elevate the Raps enough to be able to stomach the loss of next year's draft pick?

[SpiderMunn]

You wouldnt trade siakam for sabonis straight up? thats crazy man.

How is that crazy?

[BHF]

Its amazing how many of you praise Asscal who has been pure garbage ever since he got paid, but **** on Sabonis who is an actual all-star, with very good basketball IQ and solid fundamentals.