[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

[brownbobcat]

Pascal just had his best season ever, was a monster who carried the team for over two months. About to be named 3rd team all-nba, so a top 15 player. He's not being traded. Even the talk of not fitting Scottie's timeline is silly, Pascal can play at this level for five years yet. He, Scottie and OG are the core of the team, the engine of the long boi concept. You don't trade any of them, you build around this trio plus Achiuwa.

On the flip side, will his value ever be higher?

Anybody can be traded - I think a more useful question is: what is the right kind of offer (strategically)? I think it's unlikely Toronto would put together a package to get a superstar-tier player. Even if a borderline guy like Mitchell gets traded, I'm not sure Siakam would fit their team. If you go the other direction and improve depth, does that leave enough firepower to contend?

I floated the idea before of a Smart+Williams package, which some thought lowered their ceiling, but I'm really high on the compete level of those guys.

[OakleyDokely]

For me, a Siakam trade would need to include either:

-a top 5ish draft pick (or a recent player selected really high with high-end potential)

or

-an allstar who is younger than Siakam.

If that's not offered, you don't even consider moving him.

Trading him for a package of solid starters, depth players, and mid-late 1st rounders doesn't make much sense. You need all-stars in order to win in this league.

[aroc23]

The only reason I would trade Siakam at this point is if the Raps could land a young star / star in the making to pair with Scottie long term. I would not trade Siakam for a win now piece because the piece you will get back will not be as good (and will not make this team a championship team - unless it's an MVP candidate which is ridiculous) or will be slightly better but older. There are only a handful of players in the league who are both better than Siakam and younger, and those players all play on winning teams.

For example, if the Warriors decided they wanted to go all in for a championship while Steph, Klay and Draymond are still playing at a high level and they offered Poole, Kuminga and salary filler, that is a trade I would make.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Has to be a killer deal. If Goldenstate gives us all their young guns i'd do it like Kuminga, Wiseman Moody and poole

Id prolly do a Kuminga/Poole for Siakam deal right now if it was offered ...It just makes sense for both teams timelines much more...Siakam would keep Curry/Klay/Draymond hunting titles on their last legs while we get Kuminga to pair with Barnes and Poole who is a 22 year old sharpshooter/Scorer but tbh i doubt Warriors would do the deal sadly as they prolly want to make Poole their next Curry and Kuminga to be their prospect for the future to pair with him.

Ya, it's gotta be a big score like if Sabonis could land what he got Siakam should get WAY more. I dunno how we could make salaries match with the Warriors though. seems like we'd have to take Wiggins back as well or some other high salary guy

[StopitLeo]

The only way I trade Pascal is if he is the second best player in the trade.

[QingJames]

I would sell high on Siakam right now if it means us getting back something great....Even If it was for a Donovan Mitchell i would prolly do it...Siakams value is at its highest its ever going to be right now and if you can get something back that makes sense to pair with Barnes long term you do it....Siakam for how great as he is will always be the number 2/3 best player on a championship team...

Will be interesting to see some of the offers though

Donovan Mitchell? What a joke. Mitchell is nowhere near as good as Siakam is right now, and frankly I don’t see him ever getting there. He’s a nodefense volume chucker who dominates the ball and doesn’t create for others. Siakam is a million times better as a defender and he’s already a way better playmaker than Mitchell is. Literally the only thing Mitchell is better at is halfcourt scoring, and even then it’s a difference of like 4 ppg.

Siakam may always be the 2/3 best guy on a championship team. Mitchell will literally never get there. I really just do not understand our fanbase sometimes, you want to trade a guy who’s already a confirmed top 3 option on a championship squad for a guy who has repeatedly sucked and never even sniffed the conference finals.

[Morris_Shatford]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

[gerrit4]

I can't see a realistic trade that actually makes us better.

I think that Mitchell and Gobert are really good players, but considering our biggest issues offensively are shooting and playmaking, neither really helps there. Someone like Ayton at least makes us younger, but I don't see Phoenix trading him.

The only reason it would make sense to trade one of our main guys is that I think it's very likely that we'll have 6 starting caliber players next season who will all hope/expect to start. If Nurse can manage the egos and someone like Precious can be fine with coming off the bench, that's fine. But it may be a time to either consolidate talent, or try to get depth.

It just seems like any realistic Siakam trade would create a bigger hole than it fills.

[RapsFanInOhio]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

[mtcan]

This Windhorst just talking. There would never be even a whisper about Pascal's availability this soon after the season ends.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Wooo boy let’s go there - if the Lakers came calling and offered Lebron, would you do it? What about AD? Not going to happen, but man, I would have to think long and hard about both deals.

[canz55]

Part of the reason Barnes had a breakout season is because of Pascal. That tandem is the nucleus of our 48-win season in a year where we were projected to be a play-in team.

Trading Pascal would be a betrayal to Scottie. We did it once to Lowry and got lucky because we won a championship but doing the same thing to Scottie is sending the worst message to the players and staff at such an important time for their development.

[Green Backpack]

You only trade Siakam if the player you get back is a bonafide star/superstar with a proven track of winning. Gobert is not that guy.

[WaltFrazier]

The only way I trade Pascal is if he is the second best player in the trade.

This. Trading a star for a couple younger players and a pick doesn't make you better, it leaves a big hole. The team getting the best player wins the trade. And I don't see another Kawhi out there to get in exchange for Pascal.

[JB7]

Now that the team has found such a perfect role for Pascal as the primary ball handler, I think they only trade him if they feel Barnes is ready to step into that exact same role, and Pascal is just blocking Barnes path.

[brownbobcat]

The only way I trade Pascal is if he is the second best player in the trade.

I don't think that Masai is actively looking to trade Siakam before next season - he tends to give a long rope to guys who are producing.

However, I also don't think that the next big step has to be the consolidating move that takes Toronto directly into contention. If it's unlikely you can ever flip Siakam for a superstar, does that mean we never trade him? I think fit, youth and depth play a part in it too.

[Steelo Green]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

Barnes pick, Kyle trade, Gasol trade, Kawhi trade.

In recent years a decent chunk has come out.

[Morris_Shatford]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

Barnes pick, Kyle trade, Gasol trade, Kawhi trade.

In recent years a decent chunk has come out.

I can't comment on the Barnes pick as I don't recall if that was a leak or a broken clock is right twice a day scenario with Chad Ford.

The other three seemingly all came from the other side, in the case of this rumour specifically as there is no "other side" I am fairly comfortable that Masai and Co aren't actively leaking that they are willing to trade Siakam and risk that blow back.

[alienchild]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

Barnes pick, Kyle trade, Gasol trade, Kawhi trade.

In recent years a decent chunk has come out.

I can't comment on the Barnes pick as I don't recall if that was a leak or a broken clock is right twice a day scenario with Chad Ford.

The other three seemingly all came from the other side, in the case of this rumour specifically as there is no "other side" I am fairly comfortable that Masai and Co aren't actively leaking that they are willing to trade Siakam and risk that blow back.

There's 8 teams left in the championship hunt, meaning there's 22 teams and their media available to throw ish at a wall. Lot's of brown walls at this time of year.

[Madhouse]

He is available but you likely don't get anyone back who is worth trading Siakam away.

Just the reality. Pascal in all likelihood stays.