Imagine if Precious/Banton had been a top 10 pick...

[Spates]

We should christen Dalano: Van Helsing

[HumbleRen]

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

[Wannabe MEP]

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

What was his true shooting percentage when he was 22?

[Johnny Bball]

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

Missed the point completely. Is TS% a judge of Draymond Green playing centre for the team? Can I just pick any small sample size?

[Los_29]

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

He had a 40% TS% at the age of 22. 49.8% the following year.

[HumbleRen]

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

What was his true shooting percentage when he was 22?

What does that have to do with anything I said lol ?

Did I state somewhere that Precious would never improve ? I'm probably higher on him than you lol.

[HumbleRen]

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

He had a 40% TS% at the age of 22. 49.8% the following year.

Player improves, shocker.

Precious will do the same.

[Los_29]

Considering Green was 58% last year, nope.

What was his true shooting percentage when he was 22?

What does that have to do with anything I said lol ?

Did I state somewhere that Precious would never improve ? I'm probably higher on him than you lol.

I find that very hard to believe.

[Dennis 37]

These types of threads are reminiscent of Weems, Johnson and Derozan.

Only 1 player of the three is a legit starter in the league.

I still miss Weems. Alas we don't have roster space and he's only 1 year left until he's 37.

Seriously though, Precious and Dalano will be a lot better than Johnson and Weems, but not as good as Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

What was his true shooting percentage when he was 22?

What does that have to do with anything I said lol ?

Did I state somewhere that Precious would never improve ? I'm probably higher on him than you lol.

I find that very hard to believe.

I've been pushing him to start since last year lol, obviously won't happen due to politics.

*shrugs*

[ontnut]

Honest question, how hard is it to develop better scoring at the rim? It seems like a much easier thing to develop vs. 3 pters. If Precious has been working hard on the 3 to get it to where it is, I wonder why his rim % is still so low? Is he not working on it as much, or is it truly just a matter of scoring at the rim being harder for some people?

It seems so weird to me that he's so bad at it. It's not for lack of size or athleticism. And his dribble suggests that he doesn't have stone hands. So what is it?

He has terrible touch around the rim. Pretty much sums it up lol.

I mean, you really didn't answer the question. Wouldn't you think touch around the rim would be easier than touch from 25 feet out? lol. Just wondering if/how he can improve on this because it would obviously make him a much better overall player.

I guess we could just lock him in a gym and make him to the Mikan drill....lol

[HumbleRen]

Honest question, how hard is it to develop better scoring at the rim? It seems like a much easier thing to develop vs. 3 pters. If Precious has been working hard on the 3 to get it to where it is, I wonder why his rim % is still so low? Is he not working on it as much, or is it truly just a matter of scoring at the rim being harder for some people?

It seems so weird to me that he's so bad at it. It's not for lack of size or athleticism. And his dribble suggests that he doesn't have stone hands. So what is it?

He has terrible touch around the rim. Pretty much sums it up lol.

I mean, you really didn't answer the question. Wouldn't you think touch around the rim would be easier than touch from 25 feet out? lol. Just wondering if/how he can improve on this because it would obviously make him a much better overall player.

I guess we could just lock him in a gym and make him to the Mikan drill....lol

He can improve on it, just takes alot of reps and practice in the gym.


Lots of watching film as well, his feel for the game is pretty rough which leads to being in bad positions to score high quality shots.

[Wannabe MEP]

He has terrible touch around the rim. Pretty much sums it up lol.

I mean, you really didn't answer the question. Wouldn't you think touch around the rim would be easier than touch from 25 feet out? lol. Just wondering if/how he can improve on this because it would obviously make him a much better overall player.

I guess we could just lock him in a gym and make him to the Mikan drill....lol

He can improve on it, just takes alot of reps and practice in the gym.


Lots of watching film as well, his feel for the game is pretty rough which leads to being in bad positions to score high quality shots.

One of several reasons I think Precious should start is so he's surrounded by better offensive players to reduce his role. Dunks and open threes, and not much else. Those are incredibly valuable, and plenty of offense when he's on the court with Siakam, FVV, etc. But when he's on offense-starved bench units, somebody's gotta do something.

[Wannabe MEP]

Raptors four most used lineup, by net rating:

FVV-Trent-Barnes-Siakam-Precious . . . 114.7/101.3/+13.4 in 152 minutes
FVV-Trent-Anunoby-Barnes-Precious . . 109.0/100.6/+8.4 in 158 minutes
FVV-Trent-Anunoby-Barnes-Siakam . . . 107.4/106.8/+0.5 in 345 minutes
FVV-Trent-Barnes-Siakam-Birch . . . . . 109.9/115.6/-5.7 in 188 minutes

[HumbleRen]

I mean, you really didn't answer the question. Wouldn't you think touch around the rim would be easier than touch from 25 feet out? lol. Just wondering if/how he can improve on this because it would obviously make him a much better overall player.

I guess we could just lock him in a gym and make him to the Mikan drill....lol

He can improve on it, just takes alot of reps and practice in the gym.


Lots of watching film as well, his feel for the game is pretty rough which leads to being in bad positions to score high quality shots.

One of several reasons I think Precious should start is so he's surrounded by better offensive players to reduce his role. Dunks and open threes, and not much else. Those are incredibly valuable, and plenty of offense when he's on the court with Siakam, FVV, etc. But when he's on offense-starved bench units, somebody's gotta do something.

Agreed, Raptors keep saying they want to win the possession game, Precious helps them do that.

Alas, like I said before, the politics won't let him start lol. No chance in hell that GTJ comes off the bench in a contract year.

[Wannabe MEP]

One of several reasons I think Precious should start is so he's surrounded by better offensive players to reduce his role. Dunks and open threes, and not much else. Those are incredibly valuable, and plenty of offense when he's on the court with Siakam, FVV, etc. But when he's on offense-starved bench units, somebody's gotta do something.

Agreed, Raptors keep saying they want to win the possession game, Precious helps them do that.

Alas, like I said before, the politics won't let him start lol. No chance in hell that GTJ comes off the bench in a contract year.

I've consistently advocated for Precious starting instead of Barnes. Not because Precious is better at basketball than Barnes. But for fit reasons, and for the development of both of them. The bench needs more on-ball skill, and the starters need more off-ball skill. And it would be valuable for Barnes to have more chances with the ball in his hands -- tough playing alongside Siakam and FVV all the time. I think both our bench and our starters would improve.

And I don't consider it a demotion for Barnes. Starter minutes. Again, he came off the bench in college. That obviously screwed him up

[HumbleRen]

One of several reasons I think Precious should start is so he's surrounded by better offensive players to reduce his role. Dunks and open threes, and not much else. Those are incredibly valuable, and plenty of offense when he's on the court with Siakam, FVV, etc. But when he's on offense-starved bench units, somebody's gotta do something.

Agreed, Raptors keep saying they want to win the possession game, Precious helps them do that.

Alas, like I said before, the politics won't let him start lol. No chance in hell that GTJ comes off the bench in a contract year.

I've consistently advocated for Precious starting instead of Barnes. Not because Precious is better at basketball than Barnes. But for fit reasons, and for the development of both of them. The bench needs more on-ball skill, and the starters need more off-ball skill. And it would be valuable for Barnes to have more chances with the ball in his hands -- tough playing alongside Siakam and FVV all the time. I think both our bench and our starters would improve.

And I don't consider it a demotion for Barnes. Starter minutes. Again, he came off the bench in college. That obviously screwed him up

I mean I get it, but I can't roll with that one lol. Last year I'd agreed but Barnes was the 2nd best player over that 40-game stretch to end the season. That ship has sailed.

[Wannabe MEP]

I mean I get it, but I can't roll with that one lol. Last year I'd agreed but Barnes was the 2nd best player over that 40-game stretch to end the season. That ship has sailed.

So what? Manu was the 2nd best player on the Spurs for maybe three championships.

[HumbleRen]

I mean I get it, but I can't roll with that one lol. Last year I'd agreed but Barnes was the 2nd best player over that 40-game stretch to end the season. That ship has sailed.

So what? Manu was the 2nd best player on the Spurs for maybe three championships.

That worked because they had a top 10 player of all time in Tim Duncan.

We have um .. a barely a top 20 player in the current league in Siakam ?

If we're contending for championships and this is the best option to win said championships then by all means go for it but we're not, we're a 1st round exit team with a low ceiling as presently constructed.

[Wannabe MEP]

I mean I get it, but I can't roll with that one lol. Last year I'd agreed but Barnes was the 2nd best player over that 40-game stretch to end the season. That ship has sailed.

So what? Manu was the 2nd best player on the Spurs for maybe three championships.

That worked because they had a top 10 player of all time in Tim Duncan.

We have um .. a barely a top 20 player in the current league in Siakam ?

If we're contending for championships and this is the best option to win said championships then by all means go for it but we're not, we're a 1st round exit team with a low ceiling as presently constructed.

I don't get the logic. My argument is...

• It would make the starters better
• It would make the bench better
• It would be better for Barnes's development
• It would be better for Precious's development

And the counter is...that we're not a championship contender?