Justin Champagnie: "Free me"

[Rapsin6]

I agree with hi. I don’t know why he’s not been given any kind of opportunity. Plays hard and has been productive yet nothing. That said, this is certainly not the way to go about getting his frustration out. Man this organization is leaking oil.

[BCbudraptorfan]

the Toronto Raptors have waived Justin champagnie

[WaltFrazier]

Justin is a guy I do like. I think he can carve out a career in this league because he rebounds at an exceptional rate for his size. He's only shooting 27% from three but his shot doesn't seem broken and he should be able to improve on that.

One of the biggest assets a player can have is health though and Justin has not been able to stay healthy.

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”

"are seen as" is some sort of vague reputation, but what is the reality of our development since the 2019 title?

We have the reigning ROTY.

Yeah 4th pick, great rookie year struggling now. Then there's Banton, Flynn, Champagnie, Bonga. Precious the jury's still out but we can hope. Not listing those who've come and gone.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

The Raptors will probably cut him at some point this season and then he'll end up on a different gleague team.

Or maybe he will turn it around and help another teams bench like Yuta and Davis.

we are all forgetting cam payne. we had him too. now he is an important role player behind chris paul on the suns. could really use him as backup pg right now

[WaltFrazier]

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Nurse took him out of the rotation after this incident and he never gave him another chance.

I don't know if that's really why he took him out, or if it's still held against him. But I took it as a good sign of feistiness and fightback. Not that you want a guy in fights often, need discipline and all that. But it wasn't such a bad thing to stand up for himself

[dgr81]

he's betting on himself. good for him.

[WaltFrazier]

Looks like Justin's frustrated with Nick and his lack of minutes in the big club

What is this anyway? Not Twitter, which social media is it?

[Los_29]

Justin is a guy I do like. I think he can carve out a career in this league because he rebounds at an exceptional rate for his size. He's only shooting 27% from three but his shot doesn't seem broken and he should be able to improve on that.

One of the biggest assets a player can have is health though and Justin has not been able to stay healthy.

"are seen as" is some sort of vague reputation, but what is the reality of our development since the 2019 title?

We have the reigning ROTY.

Yeah 4th pick, great rookie year struggling now. Then there's Banton, Flynn, Champagnie, Bonga. Precious the jury's still out but we can hope. Not listing those who've come and gone.

Bonga. We signed Bonga who had played the previous two years in Washington and is no longer in the league. Are you seriously bringing up Isaac Bonga?

Precious had a great year last year. Was far more effective than in his rookie season with Miami. Miami is a great organization and yet they weren't able to unlock his potential, we were.

Banton was drafted last year in the late 2nd round. None of the players drafted after Banton have done anything. Banton is probably the only one getting somewhat consistent minutes. And Champagnie was undrafted and is only in his 2nd year. Koloko is in his rookie season.

Flynn obviously hasn't panned out.

Since our championship we've only had two FRP's and an early 2nd round pick. The other picks we've had were really, really late in the 2nd round. I think we got really spoiled with the success of Norm and Fred that people expect us to develop late 2nd round picks or undrafted players all the time. That's simply not realistic.

I will admit though, I am a bit disappointed in the lack of growth this year from some of our guys. But it's still very early.

[kj_]

How many guys have developed under Nurse? Fred/Siakam/OG were all given minutes early in their careers when they weren't even that good under Casey.

If Nurse was the coach then, these guys probably wouldn't have even gotten a chance to play through their early career struggles. He needs to be better in this aspect or we need to point out that Masai has failed with half of the roster not being nba calibre. Which is it?

It can be neither. It can be a team that is working on a rebuild. Your expectations are the failure.


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My expectations of a team that won 48 games last year who is practically all young guys getting better was not this, nor was it anyone else's lol.

Now I definitely didn't think we were getting out of the 1st round but didn't expect us to be below .500 at this stage

What? That same team that was 13-15 at this time last season?

All your crying is because your expectations are out of whack.


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[KL78192020]

The Raptors will probably cut him at some point this season and then he'll end up on a different gleague team.

Or maybe he will turn it around and help another teams bench like Yuta and Davis.

we are all forgetting cam payne. we had him too. now he is an important role player behind chris paul on the suns. could really use him as backup pg right now

raptors also had Christian wood back in 2018 summer league, and let him ago. He would probably be the best big on this team lol.

[JShuttlesworth]

He's a peacock, gotta let him fly

[canada_dry]

I'd like to see him get some run too.

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[GreatWhiteStiff]

He's averaging 21/10 on a good TS% in the gleague according to the stats im looking at in 7 games. A big problem is the three point shooting hasn't been there, and his role in the nba to a decent degree would be to stand in a corner and hit threes.

[TakeYourHeart]

Looks like Justin's frustrated with Nick and his lack of minutes in the big club

What is this anyway? Not Twitter, which social media is it?

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Exactly. Casey utilized his young guys, which led to the formation of the Bench Mob, and all of those guys turned out to be good/great players. If Nurse was the coach for Pascal's rookie year, there's no chance he would've played Pascal 15mpg like Casey did.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/nurse-still-trying-to-find-ways-to-get-raptors-bench-more-involved/

But Nurse caught lightning in a bottle and helped solidify his credentials as an NBA head coaching candidate in 2017-18 on a Raptors team that won a franchise-record 59 games.

A big part of the team's success that season was the work Nurse did cultivating what was likely the best bench unit in Raptors franchise history -- known as the 'bench mob.'

You might remember them: Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, Jakob Poeltl, Delon Wright and the ‘bench dad’ -- veteran shooter CJ Miles. They would routinely change games and occasionally finish them.

When the Cleveland Cavaliers swept the Raptors in the second round leading to Casey’s eventual dismissal, one of the factors that helped Nurse his first NBA head coaching job was the work he’d done bringing along what was then a devastating second unit.

The Raptors would almost run two daily practices that season -- the first a light walkthrough that included the veteran starters, then another high-tempo workout where Nurse would have the youngsters hone their games and an up-tempo, defensively aggressive style that proved to be the harbinger for how the Raptors have played under their current head coach in their post-championship years.

Champagnie is a good player and he will get his chance. He just needs to get his stints, get in proper game shape and be patient. The fact that they kept him over others shows their faith in his development. He needs to be humble, it was only one game.

I have to give you a lot of credit for dismantling this narrative with hard proof.

[alan_156]

Free him for a bit, we're not getting anything off our bench anyways.

[YogurtProducer]

I agree with him. Every time he’s played he’s been a net positive for us even dating back to last season.

If there’s one thing everyone can probably agree on is that we need to give some bench guys some leash and let them play through some mistakes. It’s the thing Nurse struggles with that Casey was actually good at

[ATLTimekeeper]

I agree with him. Every time he’s played he’s been a net positive for us even dating back to last season.

If there’s one thing everyone can probably agree on is that we need to give some bench guys some leash and let them play through some mistakes. It’s the thing Nurse struggles with that Casey was actually good at

Casey wouldn't even let Bruno and Bebe practice with the team.

[traps#10]

I rather give him a shot over Flynn.

[niQ]

Surprised he hasn't gotten more opportunities with so many injuries to Precious, Otto, OG, and before with Danton/Hernangomez...