WT: Raptors have been offered 3 FRPs for OG (Smh its just the Knicks)

[TRik]

There is a massive difference in sliding down 10-20 spots with a swap of picks that will convey a few months down the line (which ended up being 13 spots for us last year) and 3 picks that could range from anywhere from 15th to 60th 2-5 years from now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Its very convenient when a pick matters and when it doesn't, Ill remember that when Im told Im overreacting or to not believe what my eyes are telling me.

I don't want to trade OG for the 20th pick or the 33rd pick.

I just don’t want to see OhGeez go. Definitely think he is a key building block.

[Los_29]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too. Size. Length. And we need a bucket.

Management can probably sell him on sitting some games to end the year if the season doesn't turn around in time too.

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Why would they get rid of Ingram?

[dagger]

probably the Knicks, maybe the Thunder

I Dom't know the Thunder's level of interest in any of our guys, but they might be tempted to unload a bit of their picks' cache to accelerate the rebuild, what with Shai and Lu Dort giving them a taste of respectability right now.

[Spida888]

Wasn't there reports during the offseason that Pels would not move Ingram for KD? Pretty sure, they don't do it for Pascal unless his health is looking even worst these days.

[canada_dry]

Trey Murphy, Dyson Daniels, and a pick. I’d be all over that for OG.

I know. And thats not bad. Very good actually especially if we're not looking to compete going forward.

But the rumblings have been about ingram and his happiness and willingness to be in NOP. NOP management is going to look at keeping those young guys if that's the case. If masai is looking to stay competitive (and all reports point that way) Ingram would be a really nice get. Really really nice.

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I wasn't aware of any rumblings, but I don't know how I feel about trading for Ingram. Dude is made of glass. He hasn't played over ~60 games since 2016.

Hes sitting out 20+ games due to a toe bruise. And the rumblings are its not because of the injury anymore. . If you know what i mean.

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[canada_dry]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too. Size. Length. And we need a bucket.

Management can probably sell him on sitting some games to end the year if the season doesn't turn around in time too.

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I would be all over a package centered around Siakam for Ingram. Oof, hed be a beast on our squad.

You're looking to pair siakam WITH Ingram...lol. siakam isn't going anywhere..don't you worry.

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[dagger]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too. Size. Length. And we need a bucket.

Management can probably sell him on sitting some games to end the year if the season doesn't turn around in time too.

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Why would they get rid of Ingram?

He's very talented but pretty fragile and extremely well paid. Not afraid of the money, but fragility is an issue. Since moving from the Lakers, he has missed a minimum of 20 games a season, last season missed 27 and is on track to miss even more this season. He's 25, so it's fair to wonder if he's going to miss more as he ages. The Raptors bought into Otto Porter, wasted over half an MLE on a guy with one of the worst injury histories in the league today. I'd be careful about buying more fragility. And if he's actually annoyed that the world there now revolves around Zion or CJ, he won't be any happier with Pascal and Scottie. (Besides, they actually ought to consider Fred because they are trying to do what the Raptors are doing - developing young guys on the fly. Daniels is a very nice prospect, but once Zion gets back, you'd think the Pens would want to offer him a proven vet to carry them into the playoffs.)

[canada_dry]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too. Size. Length. And we need a bucket.

Management can probably sell him on sitting some games to end the year if the season doesn't turn around in time too.

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Why would they get rid of Ingram?

If hes unhappy. They're doing great without him when zion plays. Dont want to make it a situation where to keep an already unhappy guy less unhappy you're taking the ball out of ziond hands more than you need to. Og would be a perfect fit in that role.

And health.

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[Jadoogar]

Dyson Daniels (or Herb Jones), Graham, Hayes and 1 pick for OG is my dream trade. We take back a bad contract in Graham in exchange for the extra asset.

Swap out Daniels for Murphy for me.

I get that Daniels has very nice potential to be a primary or secondary facilitator with some nice scoring upside but I feel like with Scottie (in particular) & Pascal here, both of those guys need the ball in their hands & decision making to be their most effective. Sometimes you just need another player that helps their lives by being able to bomb away from 3...OG does that, Trey just does it better and I think there's upside there to be a better overall scorer as he seems bit more fluid in his movements and of course his shooting touch is still there on pull jumpers off the dribble. Add more things to his bag I don't see what would stop him from being a 22+ppg scorer PLUS we get a pick for another shot for a good upside player, at worst a likely very good rotation player (assuming it's a LAL pick). That to me would be more an ideal OG trade, where you might not get quite as intense of a defender but still a very good one, with more offensive upside AND actually helps bring up 3pt shooting percentages (not possibly reduces it as may be the case with Dyson) but that's just my 2c.

I would be good on any of those 3 (Murphy, Jones or Daniels with Jones being the last choice), but i feel like the pelicans will want to keep Murphy the most.

[TRik]

‘How about you give me 6 second round picks instead?’

[TorontoBarneys]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too. Size. Length. And we need a bucket.

Management can probably sell him on sitting some games to end the year if the season doesn't turn around in time too.

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I would be all over a package centered around Siakam for Ingram. Oof, hed be a beast on our squad.

You're looking to pair siakam WITH Ingram...lol. siakam isn't going anywhere..don't you worry.

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You don't get Ingram without giving up Siakam. OG is great, but it's not gonna ever be an OG+filler for Ingram swap, Ingram is still more valuable.

[ruckus]

I know. And thats not bad. Very good actually especially if we're not looking to compete going forward.

But the rumblings have been about ingram and his happiness and willingness to be in NOP. NOP management is going to look at keeping those young guys if that's the case. If masai is looking to stay competitive (and all reports point that way) Ingram would be a really nice get. Really really nice.

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I wasn't aware of any rumblings, but I don't know how I feel about trading for Ingram. Dude is made of glass. He hasn't played over ~60 games since 2016.

Hes sitting out 20+ games due to a toe bruise. And the rumblings are its not because of the injury anymore. . If you know what i mean.

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Aaahh. The implication.

[TRik]

I would be all over a package centered around Siakam for Ingram. Oof, hed be a beast on our squad.

You're looking to pair siakam WITH Ingram...lol. siakam isn't going anywhere..don't you worry.

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You don't get Ingram without giving up Siakam. OG is great, but it's not gonna ever be an OG+filler for Ingram swap, Ingram is still more valuable.

Lol. Ingram would instantly become our offence.

[canada_dry]

I would be all over a package centered around Siakam for Ingram. Oof, hed be a beast on our squad.

You're looking to pair siakam WITH Ingram...lol. siakam isn't going anywhere..don't you worry.

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You don't get Ingram without giving up Siakam. OG is great, but it's not gonna ever be an OG+filler for Ingram swap, Ingram is still more valuable.

I think youd be surprised.

Masai could find a way to get him without giving siakam up. Trading siakam would defeat the purpose. Them together and things get interesting.

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[PhilBlackson]

Dyson Daniels (or Herb Jones), Graham, Hayes and 1 pick for OG is my dream trade. We take back a bad contract in Graham in exchange for the extra asset.

Swap out Daniels for Murphy for me.

I get that Daniels has very nice potential to be a primary or secondary facilitator with some nice scoring upside but I feel like with Scottie (in particular) & Pascal here, both of those guys need the ball in their hands & decision making to be their most effective. Sometimes you just need another player that helps their lives by being able to bomb away from 3...OG does that, Trey just does it better and I think there's upside there to be a better overall scorer as he seems bit more fluid in his movements and of course his shooting touch is still there on pull jumpers off the dribble. Add more things to his bag I don't see what would stop him from being a 22+ppg scorer PLUS we get a pick for another shot for a good upside player, at worst a likely very good rotation player (assuming it's a LAL pick). That to me would be more an ideal OG trade, where you might not get quite as intense of a defender but still a very good one, with more offensive upside AND actually helps bring up 3pt shooting percentages (not possibly reduces it as may be the case with Dyson) but that's just my 2c.

I would be good on any of those 3 (Murphy, Jones or Daniels with Jones being the last choice), but i feel like the pelicans will want to keep Murphy the most.

I'd avoid Jones not only because he likely has the lowest offensive ceiling....he's a UFA in a single year too, the other 2 will be RFAs.

[pingpongrac]

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

There is a massive difference in sliding down 10-20 spots with a swap of picks that will convey a few months down the line (which ended up being 13 spots for us last year) and 3 picks that could range from anywhere from 15th to 60th 2-5 years from now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Its very convenient when a pick matters and when it doesn't, Ill remember that when Im told Im overreacting or to not believe what my eyes are telling me.

Of course it matters when a pick you're trading for is likely to convey. Are you seriously denying that fact?

In the most simple way possible...

Trading a 1st (that was likely to be mid teens/early 20s with lottery protections to be safe) for a 2nd (that was all but guaranteed to be in the 31-35 range) last year was a very small risk. Trading OG (who clearly has significantly more value than Dragic and was rumoured to have been worth the 7th pick + more this past summer) for 3 picks that could all end up being mid-to-late 1sts or 2nds a few years down the road would an extremely high risk.

[Son Goku 25]

OG is a legit DPOY level defender that takes on beasts like Embiid and Jokic on a nightly basis, or KD, or Kawhi, or Harden, or Ja... He's THE best 3&D guy in the entire league with some upside remaining in playmaking. He's plug and play in all 30 teams today and for the rest of his career. This is to say if we trade him, we have to create that bidding war. No doubt in my mind he's worth more than 3 late lottery picks in today's environment.

This

[Jcity08]

There is a massive difference in sliding down 10-20 spots with a swap of picks that will convey a few months down the line (which ended up being 13 spots for us last year) and 3 picks that could range from anywhere from 15th to 60th 2-5 years from now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Its very convenient when a pick matters and when it doesn't, Ill remember that when Im told Im overreacting or to not believe what my eyes are telling me.

Of course it matters when a pick you're trading for is likely to convey. Are you seriously denying that fact?

In the most simple way possible...

Trading a 1st (that was likely to be mid teens/early 20s with lottery protections to be safe) for a 2nd (that was all but guaranteed to be in the 31-35 range) last year was a very small risk. Trading OG (who clearly has significantly more value than Dragic and was rumoured to have been worth the 7th pick + more this past summer) for 3 picks that could all end up being mid-to-late 1sts or 2nds a few years down the road would an extremely high risk.

Thats all well and fine, how you evaluate risk is up to you, as long as I don't get to hear how stupid we are for worrying about trading our first for Thad & a 2nd.

Or tell me the draft is a crapshoot, as an argument against tanking, when whatever return we hypothetical get for OG is a crapshoot or signing pieces like the oft injured OPJ is also a crapshoot.

Im just tired of the hoiler than thou attitude.

[TheRaptor!]

Theres rumblings in new Orleans.

We need to start taking a look at the possibility of targeting ingram.

That doesn't necessarily get in the way of the poetl trade. But im just putting it out there.

I know most people are looking at dyson daniels and picks, but Ingram might be the real get here.

Fits the vision perfectly too.

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Trey Murphy, Dyson Daniels, and a pick. I’d be all over that for OG.

I know. And thats not bad. Very good actually especially if we're not looking to compete going forward.

But the rumblings have been about ingram and his happiness and willingness to be in NOP. NOP management is going to look at keeping those young guys if that's the case. If masai is looking to stay competitive (and all reports point that way) Ingram would be a really nice get. Really really nice.

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Trading defence for offence.

I'm all for it.

We don't need a DPOY, we need iso scoring beside Scottie and Pascal.

Trade Trent for Poetl and upgrade Fred. we'll be fine

[YogurtProducer]

Man I am glad some of you guys are not GMs, 3 unprotected late round, potentially 2nd round picks? really? You think you can get a Defensive Player of the year or first team defensive player from that? Because that is what you are giving up. You need at least one high level guaranteed asset coming back, whether it is another player coming back or unprotected draft picks. Teams highly covet a player like this, and they are on every championship contending team, unless you get blown away, you keep OG and focus trading the other guys like FVV, Trent and even Siakam, whos skill sets are way more common.

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

Literally no one said this my guy.