Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[Brinbe]

Siakam or OG

But Blazers will have their pick of options

[Johnny Bball]

Why are we all talking about OG when it’s obvious that it’s Siakam that they will ask for? Let’s give them Siakam and move the **** on with the 3rd pick.

For #3 and Simons they will probably ask for both.

Then you say no. People just giving away OG in here. And not sure why Simons is included in this rumour when they seemingly should need him to compete and he's pretty good himself. Think they are partly under the cap, no?

[Raptors Realtor]

I actually think if anything, POR feels like they need more value, keeping in mind Siakam and OG will need to be paid and that their depth will be an issue.

I don't think the Raps need 13 if they pickup #3 and 2 young players while still having Barnes, Achiuwa and Koloko. That's 6 young guys right there.

Agree to a degree.

I think maybe something along the lines where we gift them some cheap veteran depth like Boucher and porter for little, a small bad contract and some kind of futures (protected pick, good 2nds, 2nd tier prospect, whatever…).

Something like

Og, siakam, Boucher, porter, #13

For

Grant, simons, #3, little

Plus

Kevin Knox and justice Winslow — expiring scrubs.

Reddish, his 5 million expiring and bad attitude. He’s quickly nearing scrub status.

A future protected first (or couple of good 2nds) and some decent/toolsie young player none of us have heard of.

Portland runs with lillard, thybulle, og, pascal, nurkic

With Boucher, porter, sharpe and #13 on the bench

Plus they have the mid level and an 8.5 million trade exemption to round out the rotation.

Dude that's horrendous value in return.

[Clutch0z24]

Why are we all talking about OG when it’s obvious that it’s Siakam that they will ask for? Let’s give them Siakam and move the **** on with the 3rd pick.

For #3 and Simons they will probably ask for both.

Then you say no. People just giving away OG in here. And not sure why Simons is often included when they need him to compete.

As much as i love OG as a player here i honestly have a gut feeling hes going to look for a way out of Toronto when his contract is up....I think hes looking to go to a big market team or a team competing for a title....I think we either move him for the best we can get this offseason or we run into a situation next year he declines his player option and leaves for nothing.

[Boselecta]

We are not getting the 3rd pick for OG let alone a solid prospect as well. Stop the madness.

The next Gobert overpay for a somewhat limited guy is probably gonna be for a versatile defensive forward who can hit a 3 and not a center, and we might have Dallas offering #10, Hardy and multiple firsts, Houston with Harden making OG a perfect fit, teams like Memphis, Sacramento, Minnesota and Atlanta who all have 2 20+ point scorers and badly need a guy like OG. I think the bidding could be pretty strong.

Gobert was much more decorated than OG and the picks they received for that trade will likely be late teens and beyond. Huge difference between picks in the teens and the 3rd pick.

[mademan]

ya Gobert was seen as a top 10 player by people who love advanced metrics. OG isnt rated nearly as high by anybody

[agkagk]

Agree to a degree.

I think maybe something along the lines where we gift them some cheap veteran depth like Boucher and porter for little, a small bad contract and some kind of futures (protected pick, good 2nds, 2nd tier prospect, whatever…).

Something like

Og, siakam, Boucher, porter, #13

For

Grant, simons, #3, little

Plus

Kevin Knox and justice Winslow — expiring scrubs.

Reddish, his 5 million expiring and bad attitude. He’s quickly nearing scrub status.

A future protected first (or couple of good 2nds) and some decent/toolsie young player none of us have heard of.

Portland runs with lillard, thybulle, og, pascal, nurkic

With Boucher, porter, sharpe and #13 on the bench

Plus they have the mid level and an 8.5 million trade exemption to round out the rotation.

Dude that's horrendous value in return.

Perhaps either you’re discounting the value of signing grant or I’m overvaluing it.

I figure if we went to trade him the next year we could net something similar to the elusive “three first round picks” offer people on this board seem to love so much.

But if the basis of the return was simons, little, #3 with a franchise level prospect available, plus 4 future first round picks You think that would be horrible?

[duppyy]

Elite forward, that excludes spicy brick

[Sticks]

Something like

Og, siakam, Boucher, porter, #13

For

Grant, simons, #3, little

Plus

Kevin Knox and justice Winslow — expiring scrubs.

Reddish, his 5 million expiring and bad attitude. He’s quickly nearing scrub status.

A future protected first (or couple of good 2nds) and some decent/toolsie young player none of us have heard of.

Portland runs with lillard, thybulle, og, pascal, nurkic

With Boucher, porter, sharpe and #13 on the bench

Plus they have the mid level and an 8.5 million trade exemption to round out the rotation.

Dude that's horrendous value in return.

Perhaps either you’re discounting the value of signing grant or I’m overvaluing it.

I figure if we went to trade him the next year we could net something similar to the elusive “three first round picks” offer people on this board seem to love so much.

But if the basis of the return was simons, little, #3 with a franchise level prospect available, plus 4 future first round picks You think that would be horrible?

in what world is Grant getting 3 1sts?

[JShuttlesworth]

I can't imagine we are able to get in on this, but if we can get the #3 you take it and run

[agkagk]

Dude that's horrendous value in return.

Perhaps either you’re discounting the value of signing grant or I’m overvaluing it.

I figure if we went to trade him the next year we could net something similar to the elusive “three first round picks” offer people on this board seem to love so much.

But if the basis of the return was simons, little, #3 with a franchise level prospect available, plus 4 future first round picks You think that would be horrible?

in what world is Grant getting 3 1sts?

Same world where a resigned og could - or at least similar value to “3 1st round picks”.

Ya can’t tell me that if Portland cleaned house they couldn’t get a combined 3-4 unprotected picks plus significantly more for simons and a resigned grant!

Grant was an elite high volume 3 pt shooter last year — and not just a catch and shoot guy. He can create his shots from a surprising amount of ways.

[ItsDanger]

If you trade Siakam and OG, Poeltl won't likely re-sign here, so they will have to S&T him

[LoveMyRaps]

If you trade Siakam and OG, Poeltl won't likely re-sign here, so they will have to S&T him

I don't think there's much correlation there, if any. lol
All because Poeltl is boys with Siakam, doesn't mean he's gonna leave if Siakam leaves.

[ItsDanger]

If you trade Siakam and OG, Poeltl won't likely re-sign here, so they will have to S&T him

I don't think there's much correlation there, if any. lol
All because Poeltl is boys with Siakam, doesn't mean he's gonna leave if Siakam leaves.

I'm just going by what was reported earlier that he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. Which is perfectly understandable at 27.

[DonDoolie]

Perhaps either you’re discounting the value of signing grant or I’m overvaluing it.

I figure if we went to trade him the next year we could net something similar to the elusive “three first round picks” offer people on this board seem to love so much.

But if the basis of the return was simons, little, #3 with a franchise level prospect available, plus 4 future first round picks You think that would be horrible?

in what world is Grant getting 3 1sts?

Same world where a resigned og could - or at least similar value to “3 1st round picks”.

Ya can’t tell me that if Portland cleaned house they couldn’t get a combined 3-4 unprotected picks plus significantly more for simons and a resigned grant!

Grant was an elite high volume 3 pt shooter last year — and not just a catch and shoot guy. He can create his shots from a surprising amount of ways.

you are smoking something serious if you think those two are netting you 4 unprotected picks from anyone.

[Johnny Bball]

For #3 and Simons they will probably ask for both.

Then you say no. People just giving away OG in here. And not sure why Simons is often included when they need him to compete.

As much as i love OG as a player here i honestly have a gut feeling hes going to look for a way out of Toronto when his contract is up....I think hes looking to go to a big market team or a team competing for a title....I think we either move him for the best we can get this offseason or we run into a situation next year he declines his player option and leaves for nothing.

They will know the answer to that more than likely. But you get fair value, you don't just ship him out because he's leaving. You send him somewhere he wants to be.

Pretty sure they can try to extend him under the new CBA rules, to a number that's close since they can start him year one at 29+ million. Maybe its a touch low, who knows yet.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Taking 3 years of expensive useless salary filler in Simons means more needs to be coming our way even if it isn't Sharpe. I doubt our FO values Simons at all so good luck to Portland in trade negotiations.

[ontnut]

We should be able to get better value than that for siakam + OG + 13

Raps at least keep the 13 for the rebuild

I actually think if anything, POR feels like they need more value, keeping in mind Siakam and OG will need to be paid and that their depth will be an issue.

I don't think the Raps need 13 if they pickup #3 and 2 young players while still having Barnes, Achiuwa and Koloko. That's 6 young guys right there.

You are undervaluing the Raps two biggest trade pieces.

Remember what kind of value some GM gave for Gobert and his ridiculous contract. All it takes is one GM to overpay and we shouldnt just give away our 2 best pieces for that package

I don't think I am. I don't think they're really that highly valued around the league. Minnesota is a horrid franchise, so it makes sense they overpaid. Sure we can hold out for some idiotic trade, but the likelihood is small. Portland may or may not be desperate, so they're probably the best target, but I can't see them giving up any more than that.

You're alternative is to not make a deal at all and hope for trade deadline shenanigans, but with both guys essentially looking for new deals, their value may not be viewed too highly.

[ontnut]

Why are we all talking about OG when it’s obvious that it’s Siakam that they will ask for? Let’s give them Siakam and move the **** on with the 3rd pick.

For #3 and Simons they will probably ask for both.

Then you say no. People just giving away OG in here. And not sure why Simons is included in this rumour when they seemingly should need him to compete and he's pretty good himself. Think they are partly under the cap, no?

We need salary coming back, as would most teams trading their "star-ish" players.

[Johnny Bball]

For #3 and Simons they will probably ask for both.

Then you say no. People just giving away OG in here. And not sure why Simons is included in this rumour when they seemingly should need him to compete and he's pretty good himself. Think they are partly under the cap, no?

We need salary coming back, as would most teams trading their "star-ish" players.

Or three teams and we get worse salary back. Because both for Siakam seems like an overpay by Portland. OG makes it too much salary and an overpay by Toronto.

Meh... I guess 3 for 13 and Siakam for Simons is not so far away. I think would flip 3 for 6 and and 11 to Orlando if possible if Henderson goes 2nd.