2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[Ell Curry]

I'm of the position that I for sure want to use at least one of our picks on a big. Either Ivisic, Ware, Yang, or Smith would be great to develop behind Poeltl and KO.

I wouldn't be averse to taking two bigs with the picks, but would lean guard or wing with the other pick along the lines of a Carter, Furphy, Sallis, Ajinca, Kolek, George, or Edwards.

I think we'll go BPA because the front office is down on the draft, but yeah a giant 7 footer makes sense. Hopefully in 3-5 years they can take over from Poeltl. I hope Clingan falls to us, or we can use #31 or Bruce Brown to grab him. I feel like he might be a solid 25 minute center if he stays healthy and that's a good outcome from this draft.

If it’s at # 31, they’d be crazy not to.

Majority of the names that are thrown out with the DET pick are SGs and we already have Gradey and now Ochai developing there both of whom are clearly part of future plans.

On the flip side Kelly and Yak will be here another 3 tops and it wouldn’t surprise me if Poeltl is gone sooner than later considering he did say he didn’t want to be a part of rebuild AND he’s not a great fit offensively.

But having them both here is perfect for developing a young big who people always say take longer to develop. I doubt Big Z will be there for the DET pick but I think one of Yang or Chomche will be there. I could it being excellent for Yang to learn from both Kelly & Yak and if he hits he’ll prob make Yak dispensable sooner than later. If it’s Chomche then you know you can comfortably let him develop and build his game in the G League and should make for a smoother transition to the league. Either way the franchise just seen that had to pay with a FRP (one of which was a high lotto one) to get a decent C, now they can use a bargain of SRP in a supposedly bad draft to take a flyer on a C with the upside to be substantially better than either current C and be able to lock them up for prob the next 6-8 years.

Honestly seems like a no brainer move imo. I could really see Furphy (frp) & Yang (srp) really fitting into this new offence.

Oh I meant #31 and/or Brown AND the Pacers pick to move up a few spots picks to get Clingan. Not him falling to #31.

I've seen nothing of Yang.

Not sure why, but I kind of see us taking Dunn and hoping he can learn to shoot if Clingan is gone. Fits logically enough:

Poeltl-Olynyk-#31
Barnes-Dunn
Barrett-Dick
2025/2026-Agbaji
Quickley-Trent/Brown

and one of the veteran guards goes, the other stays and maybe we end up trading up with a future 1st to go after a wing in the 2025 or 2026 drafts, or if we can't do that or find one with our picks, hopefully have drafted well enough that we can move some combination of them and future picks for a scoring wing.

[Jstock12]

Buzelis 3PT% by month:
Dec 30.8%
Jan 27.0%
Feb 42.9%

[UnbelievablyRAW]

We need to find a way to move up with OKC. Reed Sheppard has a chance of falling because most of the bottom 10 have or would have taken a PG ahead of him (Topic and/or Dillingham)

I’m looking at dangling Poeltl and or BB to move up. Re-sign Kelly then use the 31 pick on a big. Reed Sheppard as a bench guard or even eventually starter would be amazing

[aminiaturebuddha]

Unfortunately we should probably stop talking about the Detroit pick as the 31st pick. The way that Detroit and Washington are trending, it's more likely to be the 32nd pick, and could even end up being the 33rd.

It's too bad. It would have been interesting to have the first pick of the 2nd round the first year that it moves to the two-day format, just to see what kind of offers the team would have been fielding from one day to the next.

[OakleyDokely]

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[WuTang_CMB]

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Dude is just a baller and you always bet on ballers.

When I watch anyones game I always ask if he can translate to the NBA. This kid can. Great numbers, great feel and you can see the talent. 70%TS and 8.5 BPM. USG 18%

[WuTang_CMB]

Unfortunately we should probably stop talking about the Detroit pick as the 31st pick. The way that Detroit and Washington are trending, it's more likely to be the 32nd pick, and could even end up being the 33rd.

It's too bad. It would have been interesting to have the first pick of the 2nd round the first year that it moves to the two-day format, just to see what kind of offers the team would have been fielding from one day to the next.

not so bad. TOR will likely be the team the most aggressive talking trades on it. WASH will likely draft someone

[OakleyDokely]

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Dude is just a baller and you always bet on ballers.

When I watch anyones game I always ask if he can translate to the NBA. This kid can. Great numbers, great feel and you can see the talent. 70%TS and 8.5 BPM. USG 18%

and doing this as a freshman is incredible. It's not like he's a 4 year senior.

54/52/83 splits with a 70 TS playing that many minutes is almost unheard of for a freshman in a major conference.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Did anyone manage to catch the whole Kentucky-Miss St. game? Obviously Reed was the star, but I noticed that Ivisic got 21 minutes and in the clips that I've seen seemed to be playing crunch time minutes.

It also seemed from the clips that even though he had a quiet offensive night, that his paint defence was a factor.

Can anyone confirm this? Was Ivisic's defence good and that's why Calipari trusted him with minutes late?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Unfortunately we should probably stop talking about the Detroit pick as the 31st pick. The way that Detroit and Washington are trending, it's more likely to be the 32nd pick, and could even end up being the 33rd.

It's too bad. It would have been interesting to have the first pick of the 2nd round the first year that it moves to the two-day format, just to see what kind of offers the team would have been fielding from one day to the next.

There will be offers no matter the pick, unless someone major drops out of the first round who would be a hot commodity at the top of day 2. But in all likelihood the 33rd pick would get similar offers to the 31st pick.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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Dude is just a baller and you always bet on ballers.

When I watch anyones game I always ask if he can translate to the NBA. This kid can. Great numbers, great feel and you can see the talent. 70%TS and 8.5 BPM. USG 18%

His BPM is higher, the BPM metrics showing up on sites that use them from BBR are all broken right now I believe.

There's no question he will translate in the NBA the question is in what capacity. He's an incredible shooter and scorer when the defense gives him space or his teammates create space for him. The thing with Reed is that he can't create a ton of space for himself and I don't see him being able to at the NBA level. That said, I don't really think he needs to in order to get tremendous value out of him because he is so insanely good at playing off others and capitalizing on opportunities that present themselves. The areas he strongly impacts are heavily tied to overall player efficiency.

He's polarizing for so many people, I was going through a thread on reddit where some people have him as the next John Stockton and others think he's going to struggle mightily against NBA athletes and length. I also read a similar assessment by NBA scouts where some view him as a top pick and others as a guy who shouldn't be picked in the top 20-25. I don't think either of those assessments are the proper way to look at Reed and are trying to analyze him on the basis of something he is not. What he is, is an incredibly capable combo guard who can play within the rhythm of an offense and knock down shots as good as we've seen in recent memory, shows smart passing tendencies although is not particularly special at creating for his teammates with his passing because he's not a guy who carries a lot of gravity except when standing behind the arc (he has also made some boneheaded reads this year when forced to make quick decisions off the dribble but you hope he can clean that up), is a capable finisher at the rim when the opportunity presents itself to get there and has incredible hands that will be able to prod the ball away at a high rate at the next level. What that amounts to and what value such a player possesses relative to others with perceived self-creation potential I don't know, but I do know that the point in time to draft Reed is the second you are really uncertain about high level space creation potential of a prospect on the board.

If I am to stand by that, it means that even if you believe there's a prospect with the potential to create space either for himself or others with the ball in his hands but not at a very high level, it is at that point that you should take the player who looks like an absolutely elite glue guy instead. There is a negative perception when you use the word glue guy but we can use the term "ceiling raiser" instead and Reed projects to do just that.

Of course, maybe I am not looking at this from the right perspective and Reed does have some kind of hidden generational talent potential that analyzing him based on his metrics alone would suggest (even though the sample size and USG% suggest potential for high variance), but I'm confident in my assessment that this is not the case. What this amounts to is that in the case that I'm wrong (which I do not believe), at least you're super comfortable with the floor and then have that outside chance he could be something even bigger.

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That's another possibility, Reed BARELY needs space to get shots off. There's a chance you can build your offense around him if you can find ways to get him open frequently using screens. This is a guy you want shooting the ball as many times as possible per game and a team committed to getting him looks should be able to find ways to achieve that.

I would caution against comparing with Trae as he does not possess the wiggle or agility that Trae does but he might be onto something with seeing him used in a manner that Brunson is although comparing him to Brunson isn't great either because Brunson has a deeper bag and more functional strength but you can't put it past Reed to develop a deeper bag over time. When you're as good of a shooter as Reed is you really don't need to work so hard to find opportunities since the entire floor is fair game to snipe from.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I think right now the only player who blatantly possesses good enough ability to manipulate defenses is Topic. What that means is that Reed should be heavily considered as the #2 overall player. His shooting ability and focus on the court are both at a higher level than Risacher has demonstrated thus far. If you otherwise believe that despite the differences in dimension between the two players that Reed will be capable of getting shots off with a fair amount of ease at the NBA level then you ignore the difference in physical profile.

[OakleyDokely]

This is where I'm at right now:

If we move up: Z Rischar

IND pick: D Carter

DET pick: D Holmes II

[PhilBlackson]

This is where I'm at right now:

If we move up: Z Rischar

IND pick: D Carter

DET pick: D Holmes II

To piggyback…

If we move up…I’ll list 3 at each I’d be happy with

Move up: Zach, Tidj or Sarr

IND pick: Furphy, Smith or Collier

DET: Big Z, Yang or Chomche

[Psubs]

This is where I'm at right now:

If we move up: Z Rischar

IND pick: D Carter

DET pick: D Holmes II

Is Carter going to be any better than JFL, who is leading the G-League in scoring? I'm happy with JFL as a bench combo guard.

Ind: Furphy, Tyler Smith, Ware, Ivisic

Det: Ivisic, Kolek, Carrington, Ajinca, Carter

[Psubs]

I think right now the only player who blatantly possesses good enough ability to manipulate defenses is Topic. What that means is that Reed should be heavily considered as the #2 overall player. His shooting ability and focus on the court are both at a higher level than Risacher has demonstrated thus far. If you otherwise believe that despite the differences in dimension between the two players that Reed will be capable of getting shots off with a fair amount of ease at the NBA level then you ignore the difference in physical profile.

Reed should definitely be top 5. Players like Deron Williams have gone high. Reed shows elements of like a Mark Price and John Stockton. His floor is a 6'3 Fred VanVleet.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I think right now the only player who blatantly possesses good enough ability to manipulate defenses is Topic. What that means is that Reed should be heavily considered as the #2 overall player. His shooting ability and focus on the court are both at a higher level than Risacher has demonstrated thus far. If you otherwise believe that despite the differences in dimension between the two players that Reed will be capable of getting shots off with a fair amount of ease at the NBA level then you ignore the difference in physical profile.

Reed should definitely be top 5. Players like Deron Williams have gone high. Reed shows elements of like a Mark Price and John Stockton. His floor is a 6'3 Fred VanVleet.

I don't believe in Reed's passing enough to whip out names like those. I also don't believe in his handle or floor navigation to compare him to FVV anymore except in terms of some likely statistical production similarities.

I think Dean might have hit the nail on the head in him being something like a poor man's Caruso and poor man's Steph rolled into one. A modern NBA version of Hinrich makes sense to me too, so take Hinrich's best years and then add some 3 point volume to them and higher shooting efficiency and stocks per 36 due to pace.

[Psubs]

I think right now the only player who blatantly possesses good enough ability to manipulate defenses is Topic. What that means is that Reed should be heavily considered as the #2 overall player. His shooting ability and focus on the court are both at a higher level than Risacher has demonstrated thus far. If you otherwise believe that despite the differences in dimension between the two players that Reed will be capable of getting shots off with a fair amount of ease at the NBA level then you ignore the difference in physical profile.

Reed should definitely be top 5. Players like Deron Williams have gone high. Reed shows elements of like a Mark Price and John Stockton. His floor is a 6'3 Fred VanVleet.

I don't believe in Reed's passing enough to whip out names like those. I also don't believe in his handle or floor navigation to compare him to FVV anymore except in terms of some likely statistical production similarities.

I think Dean might have hit the nail on the head in him being something like a poor man's Caruso and poor man's Steph rolled into one. A modern NBA version of Hinrich makes sense to me too, so take Hinrich's best years and then add some 3 point volume to them and higher shooting efficiency and stocks per 36 due to pace.

When was the last time a player shot over 50% from 3 over a full season on over 3 attempts per game?

There are a lot of other guards on Kentucky. If he was the man like Steph at Davidson, he'd have closer to 6-7 apg. At least his A/T is over 2 as a freshman (though closer to sophomore age).