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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#81 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:48 pm

causal_fan wrote:Dalano Banton may/may not have an NBA future but the Raptors spent 8m to keep Thad Young & 3m to have a babysitter in Temple, yet couldn't find a way to keep Banton - disgraceful.


He didn't want to be here, the city was a distraction for him.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#82 » by Duffman100 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:41 am

causal_fan wrote:Dalano Banton may/may not have an NBA future but the Raptors spent 8m to keep Thad Young & 3m to have a babysitter in Temple, yet couldn't find a way to keep Banton - disgraceful.


This just in on “moves that don’t **** ing matter”.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#83 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:48 am

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causal_fan wrote:Dalano Banton may/may not have an NBA future but the Raptors spent 8m to keep Thad Young & 3m to have a babysitter in Temple, yet couldn't find a way to keep Banton - disgraceful.

I'd love to see him play well for a longer stretch and not in the closing stretch for a lotto team.

Yeah somewhere in between what he's doing now, and being buried on a superteam like Boston. Though I think he must have learned some things in Boston. I hope he finds a niche as a rotation player.

At least what he's doing now, putting up numbers on a lotto team, is better than the alternative of getting a chance in Portland and playing terrible
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#84 » by TravisScott55 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:04 pm

It's rebuild, everyone relax. These take time.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#85 » by Pointgod » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:13 pm

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Orlando has sucked forever but I guess thats irrelevant.


Cole Anthony was the 15th pick, Fultz was traded for a top 20 protected pick, Suggs was picked one pick after Barnes and Black was a lottery pick last year. Laughable to say they’ve sucked forever to get their guards. They actually value guard skills even though they’ve prioritized length size and length in their players as well.


They've literally been mediocre for at least a decade beside that one year we beat them in the 1st round. They also won the #1 pick in Bancharo.

Flynn was picked 29th, although bringing up Bane is a good point.


It’s not only that we missed out on Bane **** happens (although it does show the value of having multiple late picks) but the front office though Flynn was a capable back up for 4 seasons. He’s been traded twice in one season and can’t get minutes on one of the worst teams in the league. I honestly don’t know if he’ll even be in the league next season . I’m pointing out how Orlando was able to build a rotation of 4 quality PG’s with a combo of lottery picks, trades and mid round picks while our main backup was a dude that might be playing in China next year.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#86 » by Los_29 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:17 pm

Pointgod wrote:
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Cole Anthony was the 15th pick, Fultz was traded for a top 20 protected pick, Suggs was picked one pick after Barnes and Black was a lottery pick last year. Laughable to say they’ve sucked forever to get their guards. They actually value guard skills even though they’ve prioritized length size and length in their players as well.


They've literally been mediocre for at least a decade beside that one year we beat them in the 1st round. They also won the #1 pick in Bancharo.

Flynn was picked 29th, although bringing up Bane is a good point.


It’s not only that we missed out on Bane **** happens (although it does show the value of having multiple late picks) but the front office though Flynn was a capable back up for 4 seasons. He’s been traded twice in one season and can’t get minutes on one of the worst teams in the league. I honestly don’t know if he’ll even be in the league next season . I’m pointing out how Orlando was able to build a rotation of 4 quality PG’s with a combo of lottery picks, trades and mid round picks while our main backup was a dude that might be playing in China next year.


Teams actually don’t want to have lots of late picks which is why they try to trade them away.

This is Flynn’s 4th season. His rookie season he backed up Fred and Kyle. He was the 3rd point guard on that team. The following two seasons he got inconsistent minutes while the team opted to go big with Scottie and Pascal running point when Fred was resting. This year he got traded two months into the year. They weren’t invested in him.

Who cares if Orlando managed to do that. They didn’t get any star talent out of those guards and they are likely a 1st round exit. Not to mention it took them ages to do it.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#87 » by ciueli » Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:20 pm

Pointgod wrote:
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Cole Anthony was the 15th pick, Fultz was traded for a top 20 protected pick, Suggs was picked one pick after Barnes and Black was a lottery pick last year. Laughable to say they’ve sucked forever to get their guards. They actually value guard skills even though they’ve prioritized length size and length in their players as well.


They've literally been mediocre for at least a decade beside that one year we beat them in the 1st round. They also won the #1 pick in Bancharo.

Flynn was picked 29th, although bringing up Bane is a good point.


It’s not only that we missed out on Bane **** happens (although it does show the value of having multiple late picks) but the front office though Flynn was a capable back up for 4 seasons. He’s been traded twice in one season and can’t get minutes on one of the worst teams in the league. I honestly don’t know if he’ll even be in the league next season . I’m pointing out how Orlando was able to build a rotation of 4 quality PG’s with a combo of lottery picks, trades and mid round picks while our main backup was a dude that might be playing in China next year.


Same thing at centre, except they didn't even have a single decent option at that position for years. Cycled through Aaron Baynes, Khem Birch, Precious Achiuwa, and Christian Koloko before finally trading 3 draft picks for Jakob Poeltl, then another first rounder for Kelly Olynyk. Five draft picks, likely 2 first rounders and over $30M a year to address one position and we don't even have a top 15 guy there.
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Post#88 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:52 pm

We traded 5 first overall picks for Jakob Purtle and Kelly Olynyk! oh no!

It's funny that we traded Pascal for 3 "non-lottery picks", but when it comes to trading out picks for players they are just picks, that can mean anything. Likely 2 first rounders! There's no difference between pick 1 and pick 30.
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Post#89 » by Duffman100 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:24 pm

3 draft picks for Poeltl and 1 for KO /Ochai = 5 picks?

Oh Koloko…. Yeah let’s put a random career ending injury against the FO. That makes sense.
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Post#90 » by ciueli » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:34 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:We traded 5 first overall picks for Jakob Purtle and Kelly Olynyk! oh no!

It's funny that we traded Pascal for 3 "non-lottery picks", but when it comes to trading out picks for players they are just picks, that can mean anything. Likely 2 first rounders! There's no difference between pick 1 and pick 30.



The point here is the front office has done a poor job of filling roster holes for years. Did it make any sense for us to have no quality backup PG, starting C, or backup C for years, then in panic mode when the team is losing trade a future first and 2 seconds for a player who isn't even in the top half of starters at his position on an expiring contract?
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Post#91 » by ciueli » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:36 pm

Duffman100 wrote:3 draft picks for Poeltl and 1 for KO /Ochai = 5 picks?

Oh Koloko…. Yeah let’s put a random career ending injury against the FO. That makes sense.


They started Koloko the season they drafted him, and he was terrible, no surprise a second round rookie wasn't a decent quality starting centre, or even a decent quality backup centre. That's the point, that was actually their plan alongside Precious being the starting C until he got injured.
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Post#92 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:38 pm

Koloko wasn't terrible in his first season. His defensive metrics were very good.
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Re: PG: it sucks that we suck 

Post#93 » by Duffman100 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:41 pm

ciueli wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:3 draft picks for Poeltl and 1 for KO /Ochai = 5 picks?

Oh Koloko…. Yeah let’s put a random career ending injury against the FO. That makes sense.


They started Koloko the season they drafted him, and he was terrible, no surprise a second round rookie wasn't a decent quality starting centre, or even a decent quality backup centre. That's the point, that was actually their plan alongside Precious being the starting C until he got injured.


He wasn’t terrible at all. Give me a break.
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Post#94 » by ciueli » Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:57 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:Koloko wasn't terrible in his first season. His defensive metrics were very good.


Literally one game in his entire career where he scored in double digits (an 11 point game) in 58 games and his True Shooting for that season was 51.7%, horrible for a player who is not expected to do anything but attempt dunks or layups at the rim. He's a career -3.5 Box +/-, a career -0.3 VORP. He was 5.7 Fouls per 36, so he was a foul machine and essentially fouling out per 36. And they started him 19 games at the beginning of his rookie season. After they realized playing him was costing them games they buried him on the G-League for much of the rest of the season, only bringing him back in a lightly used bench role towards the end once Poeltl was on the roster (only 8 games in double digit minutes after being sent to the G-League).
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Post#95 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:16 pm

ciueli wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:Koloko wasn't terrible in his first season. His defensive metrics were very good.


Literally one game in his entire career where he scored in double digits (an 11 point game) in 58 games and his True Shooting for that season was 51.7%, horrible for a player who is not expected to do anything but attempt dunks or layups at the rim. He's a career -3.5 Box +/-, a career -0.3 VORP. He was 5.7 Fouls per 36, so he was a foul machine and essentially fouling out per 36. And they started him 19 games at the beginning of his rookie season. After they realized playing him was costing them games they buried him on the G-League for much of the rest of the season, only bringing him back in a lightly used bench role towards the end once Poeltl was on the roster (only 8 games in double digit minutes after being sent to the G-League).


Cool story, his defensive metrics were very good. At least the synergy numbers that were being posted from time to time showed him as a very good rim protector and able to defend out to the perimeter.
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Post#96 » by TGM » Wed May 29, 2024 1:35 pm

Saddiq Bey is definitely someone worth considering. He has put together some strong stretches and play. His 3 PT shooting and length is something we could definitely use more. Only issue is we might end up have 5 starters but not one being an alpha scorer.

Maybe Barnes surprises and turns into a shorter Giannis next season

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