Bobby Webster speaks about the core/future

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Barnes, Jakob, RJB, Quickley
Kelly, Dick
We already have 6 players that are considered to be our core
They just need to find at least 3 very serviceable players, and much of the team's success will depend on the organic growth

Lol Kelly and old backup journeyman ... um core, lol
DICK.. a rook who still needs to show a lot more on both ends...

Purtle... borderline core... this core is lottery bound every year... hopefully some picks and trades will add needed quality bigs... then... we are a play in team, lol

I think the last 20 games have skewed the picture fo folms. We are in POs next year.

[VanWest82]

I like the makings of our roster. Don’t like our coach at ALL. Time will tell but our fo wears all these decisions

What's your issue with Darko?

He seems like a really good development guy. The story about how he helped circle the wagons with Gradey to save his rookie season is well documented. I like that he committed to playing Kelly to make sure we had ample space and structure so the young guys could get end-of-year reps in an actual NBA system. He seems to have a good vibe about him. Players seem to respond to him.

I'll admit it's hard to know what he'd be like in a playoff series but we're a ways away from that.

He’s a likeable guy but a lot of issues especially with respect to defense and game readiness all year. He’s the guy the fo chose and you have to give him the requisite time but in my opinion there are too many red flags I don’t think he’s an nba coach.

I think sometimes it can take a full season just to install the offense, especially one predicated on making quick decisions with lots of ball and player movement. We might see a better defensive product in year 2.

[Indeed]

That is entirely true and entirely irrelevant to the Siakam trade return.

He and his agent has no say on trade until being the last year due to bird rights. So the previous point of FO dragging this out is entirely the reason.

And for sure I will wait and see the length of the Siakam contract, since we are able to afford near max before Barnes gets his. And the biggest question is, does Barnes deserves the max, which is also a question affecting the re-sign of Siakam.

Teams aren’t giving up significant assets for an extra third of a season had he been traded at trade deadline in ‘23 instead.

The question at ‘24 deadline from opposing teams to Siakam and his agent is will you resign.

The question in ‘23 would have been will you extend.

Siakam wasn’t playing ball.

And Indiana weren’t trading Mathurin or their lottery pick last year.

Again, face facts: Siakam never had the trade value many, including me, thought.

As you said, it is not Siakam and his agent.

Does it matter if we give a market contract in 4 years to him? I don't think so. The biggest issue isn't money, probably has more to do with Barnes and play a different style under Darko. Yet, I am just not convince with Barnes being our first option next year or the year after.

[Scase]

The pick should have always been lotto-protected, or even top-10 protected. Pop clearly saw that the team was trending downwards and pushed for lighter protections.

Good FO vs great FO on display. It's pathetic when another FO can better predict your teams trajectory than your own.

If they were that great, they would have got a Top 5 protected pick instead of just a Top 6.

Good point, thank god for our FO!

[alpngso]

not sure if this team can get to PO next year. even at full strength for short stretch, it wasn't anything special

[disoblige]

We're going to get the 4th pick, book it

The bigger the expectation the harder you will hit the ground the moment spurs gets our pick.

I like to operate from speaking positivity into a situation, not assuming the worst outcome.

I like to manage my expectations. I just won in my fantasy league this season.


https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/boxscore?leagueId=593030758&matchupPeriodId=22&seasonId=2024&teamId=3&view=matchup

[Dyehardrapsfan]

Raptors need the following:

- starting shooting guard. Gary Trent is not the answer. Someone who can hit three’s
-back up center, Kellly O is not the answer
-back up point gaurd

We have 2-3 picks , hopefully we can address needs with the picks and we might have some cap space.

Don’t bring back Bruce brown.
Maybe bring back Gary Trent if price is right.

Rest of starters are solid

[mtcan]

Raptors need the following:

- starting shooting guard. Gary Trent is not the answer. Someone who can hit three’s
-back up center, Kellly O is not the answer
-back up point gaurd

We have 2-3 picks , hopefully we can address needs with the picks and we might have some cap space.

Don’t bring back Bruce brown.
Maybe bring back Gary Trent if price is right.

Rest of starters are solid

I think Kelly is fine as a 15-20 minute per game backup. His passing and shooting will be welcomed in a reserve role.

Bruce needs to go. I can see us getting a 2nd round pick or a future first far away in the future along with a bad salary for him. Cutting him doesn't seem like a move this front office would make.

Gary needs to learn how to be effective as a backup but that has never happened so I'm happy to see him go as well.

Gradey can easily start at the 2 or 3 alongside RJ. Gradey and Quickley running off screens and relocating for open 3s with RJ cutting...should be options for Scottie to utilize as a playmaker.

Priorities in the offseason: backup point guard, a better 3 and D wing off the bench, more size at the forward positions and a young center prospect to develop.

If Darko is known for development...maybe Ochai comes back with some improvement? Otherwise...he's like Matisse Thybulle...so not ideal but certainly not useless.

[The Duke]

He says nothing ever

[wegotthabeet]

This seems like the perfect year for the NBA to gift us the #1 pick. No clear top player to put in a desired market, and they can appease us Canadian fans for a bit who believe the NBA hates us.

Exactly what happened in 2006.

But have we been good boys and girls an stuff? We started the season getting sued and ended it in the midst of a gambling investigation. Our purity head office has us in some drama. If the lotto is a gift from the inner circle have we stayed out of trouble enough to game them lotto balls? And let's say like officiating there was manipulation how could they ask Jontay to give up his North American "career" for doing the American Way? The art of the get rich quick scheme as old as making fire.

The Raptors should get the first overall pick every year they’re not in playoffs if you ask me.

[sbsat]

This was a useless presser.

[Los_29]

and one might as well stop supporting the team if that person actually thought a team would go from 48-34 to 41-41(27-14@home/improvement) despite lockerroom problems, injuries&w/out a much needed center for most of it ....To 25-57 (14-27@home) including a 12-19 with 2 All-Stars and DPOY which is unheard of: A team performing so badly with 2 All-Stars and a DPOY.

That pick we traded for Jakob was supposed to be a ~20th pick which was more than fair for a talented&mobile center entering his prime years with no-major injuries(yet)on his body.

Though injuries derailed our play-in push, Players wise, we are in a great position. For FO's sake, I would have preferred seeing IQ in a pressurized situation (again) before handing him a 25+M/per contract.

The pick should have always been lotto-protected, or even top-10 protected. Pop clearly saw that the team was trending downwards and pushed for lighter protections.

Good FO vs great FO on display. It's pathetic when another FO can better predict your teams trajectory than your own.

Spurs have really been dominating the past 6 years.

[Chandan]

He says nothing ever

5 - 10 moves will take them about 3 years. So raptors will be back in playoffs by around 2027

[Scase]

The pick should have always been lotto-protected, or even top-10 protected. Pop clearly saw that the team was trending downwards and pushed for lighter protections.

Good FO vs great FO on display. It's pathetic when another FO can better predict your teams trajectory than your own.

Spurs have really been dominating the past 6 years.

Real interesting you decided on exactly 6 years.

It's almost like it's a bad faith argument, almost like that was the end of 20 years straight of making deep playoff runs, and 5 championships.

The Spurs objectively, by every measurement, have and always have had a much better FO than us. This isn't even up for debate, they arguably have one of the best FOs in pro sports. Your constant defence of this FO is impressive, if not braindead.

As usual, you don't need the personal attack. Warned.

[ItsDanger]

[disoblige]

Grass is always greener on the other side. Manage your expectations or offer real solutions and give it to MLSE.

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[Chandan]

Grass is always greener on other side. Manage your expectations or offer real solutions and give it to MLSE.

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Nah we will stay on our board. We like to suffer on our own terms. Some whines and some bury their head in the sand. But we don't like being ridiculed on general board, unless our name is Johnnybball.

[PushDaRock]

Good FO vs great FO on display. It's pathetic when another FO can better predict your teams trajectory than your own.

If they were that great, they would have got a Top 5 protected pick instead of just a Top 6.

Good point, thank god for our FO!

4d Chess at the highest levels

[PushDaRock]

Exactly what happened in 2006.

But have we been good boys and girls an stuff? We started the season getting sued and ended it in the midst of a gambling investigation. Our purity head office has us in some drama. If the lotto is a gift from the inner circle have we stayed out of trouble enough to game them lotto balls? And let's say like officiating there was manipulation how could they ask Jontay to give up his North American "career" for doing the American Way? The art of the get rich quick scheme as old as making fire.

The Raptors should get the first overall pick every year they’re not in playoffs if you ask me.

seems fair to even out the playing field as the only non American team

[WaltFrazier]

Raps started the season with 2 veteran leaders/role models, Thad and Temple. 3 if you count Otto. Down to just Garrett now. Do they bring him back? I think first priority is keeping him and adding another vet well past his prime to replace Thad.