Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft

[mtcan]

This franchise just looks like a clown show man. That lawsuit with the Knicks literally switched our franchises around lol.

Because they are trying to move up in the draft?

Let’s say we trade with Memphis for the 9th pick and Jakob. Wouldn’t that make the Jakob trade a wash? If we essentially get back out FRP?

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

[Tor_Raps]

This franchise just looks like a clown show man. That lawsuit with the Knicks literally switched our franchises around lol.

Because they are trying to move up in the draft?

Let’s say we trade with Memphis for the 9th pick and Jakob. Wouldn’t that make the Jakob trade a wash? If we essentially get back out FRP?

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

Then we practically traded Siakam and Poeltl for the 9th pick loll.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I don’t get some of you guys. All we heard around here was how we shouldn’t have done the the Jakob trade which I agree with in hindsight ofc. But now that we’re trying to trade him for 1 pick higher it’s somehow a bad thing too? Some people will never be satisfied no matter the results

I would 10% trade him for #9 and gamble with Holland or Buzelis. Buzelis was at one point on some mocks as #1 pick with Holland and Cody Williams. Also Risacher too. Sarr I guess impressed this year.

Buzelis didn't do poorly this year and was tested way more hoppy than expected. I think he's a way better option than Salaun.

Buzelis could be a Paolo Banchero 2.0. Banchero shoots 45/34/73 and is an allstar because he's the number 1 option.

Trade Poeltl to Memphis for #9 and Brandon Clarke. Clingan, Holland and Castle would have to be drafted in the top 8 to push Buzelis to #9.

I'd take Cody Williams in that scenario if he's on the board

[Pointgod]

Rocket was asking for Mikal Bridges for the 3rd pick. I just don’t see any team in the lottery actually moving out.

Especially not for Bruce Brown

[Pointgod]

Masai has only made 1 draft day deal in 11 drafts as Raps exec and that was the masterclass Vascquez for Powell and OG deal

Apparently he didn’t learn his lesson and skipped out on fleecing the Bucks again in a FVV for Grayson + low 1st trade

I’m still pissed about that one lol. I’m not sure when the pick would even convey but Allen is a nice depth piece, though kind of older player.

Golden opportunity to add to our asset base and Grayson Allen turned out to be a pretty solid player as well

[Duffman100]

Because they are trying to move up in the draft?

Let’s say we trade with Memphis for the 9th pick and Jakob. Wouldn’t that make the Jakob trade a wash? If we essentially get back out FRP?

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

Then we practically traded Siakam and Poeltl for the 9th pick loll.

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

[Tor_Raps]

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

Then we practically traded Siakam and Poeltl for the 9th pick loll.

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

Let's agree with torso since the 19th pick will probably be the biggest part of the Siakam trade. Still TBD though lol

[ontnut]

Raps' front office always floats these rumours so that, years later, they can say they almost traded up for {instert superstar} e.g. Giannis, SGA, etc.

At least we're rumoured to after future MVP candidates

Why couldn't Masai just pay up / overpay for these picks? Twice now these targeted picks turned out to be franchise altering - which pays off 10x fold even for an overpay.

Or is this a bias thing, where Masai floats lots of targets, and we look back and lament only the targets that turned into franchise stars?

I don't know the situation around SGA, but with Giannis, he called MIL to see where they were and they said they were keeping their pick (presumably because they loved Giannis that much). I don't think there was even a price at that point. They were keeping the pick. Unless Masai did something like 2-3 future 1sts, I'm not sure how you convince someone to NOT select the guy they have targetted.

And while yes, Masai liked both future MVP candidates, there's no way anyone KNOWS they're going to be a MVP candidate. Trading 3 1st rounders to move up a few spots in the same draft is more likely to completely cripple your franchise for the next 5 years.

For example, there were rumours Masai wanted to move up in the Scottie draft. If he had traded our pick plus a future unprotected 1st (and likely something else on top), for example, just to draft Mobley, Green or Cade? We'd be laughed at right now.

[SpiderMunn]

Then we practically traded Siakam and Poeltl for the 9th pick loll.

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

Let's agree with torso since the 19th pick will probably be the biggest part of the Siakam trade. Still TBD though lol

I think the Indy 2026 will likely be a better pick.

[Tor_Raps]

Well you traded Pascal's arm. a portion of Pascal

Let's agree with torso since the 19th pick will probably be the biggest part of the Siakam trade. Still TBD though lol

I think the Indy 2026 will likely be a better pick.

Indiana has too much young talent that should be improving every year. Then you factor Indiana has a vast history of just never being that bad and it makes me think the 2026 will be worse for us.

[MainEvent]

I only have watched a little of Salaun and wasn't impressed. I'd have to watch more to get a better sense but I'm not really seeing it so far at where he's being mocked.

He has great size and length / solid frame already, a high motor and seems like he can hit catch and shoot 3's but what else? struggles at the rim, can't hit shots off the bounce. 33% overall 3pt percent (is this his only year or showing decent 3pt stats?)

6'10" in shoes, 9'2" standing reach and a 7'1.5" wingspan is amazing

47% fishing at the rim for someone with his length and frame is putrid lol and worries me. PPL were making him out to be some amazing athlete, but he looks more like a solid athlete and not some freak. 33" max vert

Kinda worried how raw and much of a project he is. if anyone has a good deep dive video link it up

[duppyy]

Not making bad trades and we wouldn’t need to trade up.

[goinrogue]

I could be wrong but I DON'T think it's for Edey.

We have a solid enough big man rotation, on the otherhand go listen to Masai's presser again, he states multiple times that a BIGGER wing is THE top of his list to improve the roster which imo means we're targeting...

TIDJANE SALUAN.

We've already scouted him on multiple occasions, his physical profile screams Masai prototype and he's the one kid you heard a couple weeks ago has skyrocketed up draft boards and many believe he's going top 10. POR hired Schmidtz and since then have taken on higher upside prospects (ie/ Shaedon & Scoot), they also already have 2 decent bigmen in place (Ayton, RGIII). They likely want to take a safer prospect with their own pick then secure Tidj to develop long term when they inevitably try to move Grant who doesn't fit the timeline of their young guys.

CLE is the only one who I don't think is in that race and is actually just trying to move up to secure a better PG prospect ie/ Dillingham or McCain, so that they can move on from Garland.

100% agree. Him or Toppic

[ATLTimekeeper]

We threw half a season to try and keep that pick. I'm sure they want back in the lottery rather than take two worse picks.

[Raptors Realtor]

This is reported before every draft and every draft the Raps just make their picks.

Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me...you can't get fooled again.

[ill-Will03]

This franchise just looks like a clown show man. That lawsuit with the Knicks literally switched our franchises around lol.

Because they are trying to move up in the draft?

Let’s say we trade with Memphis for the 9th pick and Jakob. Wouldn’t that make the Jakob trade a wash? If we essentially get back out FRP?

Because all we've heard is that the Raptors want nothing to do with this draft. Then consider we just finished a season tanking for the Spurs. Then we traded a 1st round pick for a guy we could have signed this offseason (Olynyk) and a prospect that looked like a complete scrub (Ochai). All these things could have helped us move up or have that pick from the onset.

Masai used to kick ass on trades and now we're hoping to call it a wash as our best case scenario if we can trade Poeltl for the 9th pick. It's just depressing being a Raptor fan lately, that's all lol

I get where you’re coming from tbh. Masai has been very reactionary vs being proactive lately and that has to change. But I see this as him trying to right his wrong. Would you rather he don’t trade Jakob and we just keep him instead of trying for the 9th pick?

[LoveMyRaps]

FO stands pat - crybabies out in full force
FO tries to trade up - crybabies out in full force

[Raps in 4]

Step 1: Trade lottery pick for a role player
Step 2: Trade assets to get back into the lottery.

This is embarassing at this point. Stop, take the L, and focus on next year's draft. The Spurs pick is a sunk cost. Learn from this mistake and don't let it happen again. Don't waste assets trying to fix it now. It's too late.

[ill-Will03]

This franchise just looks like a clown show man. That lawsuit with the Knicks literally switched our franchises around lol.

Because they are trying to move up in the draft?

Let’s say we trade with Memphis for the 9th pick and Jakob. Wouldn’t that make the Jakob trade a wash? If we essentially get back out FRP?

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

Ya I wouldn’t be too happy about that honestly.

[ill-Will03]

Step 1: Trade lottery pick for a role player
Step 2: Trade assets to get back into the lottery.

This is embarassing at this point. Stop, take the L, and focus on next year's draft. The Spurs pick is a sunk cost. Learn from this mistake and don't let it happen again. Don't waste assets trying to fix it now. It's too late.

Lol I see what your did there when we trade for him he’s a role player but when we trade him away it’s considered giving up assets