Grading the Ingram Trade

[kalel123]

The money doesn't matter. MLSE will pay whatever. We're never going to be below the cap.. so why worry about that? Every contract in the NBA, good or bad can be moved.

Roster construction doesn't happen overnight I'm not sure how things are more complicated. It took two no-impact guys and a pick that could amount to nothing, for a guy that is something and will likely be a lot better in Toronto than he was in NO.

Injuries? So be it, sometimes you have a bad run. It's not like Scottie has been bulletproof. Develop depth... RJ will probably be the odd man out and his contract will be easy to move if they so desire.

Ever heard of luxury tax? If you haven't noticed, teams don't touch that **** unless they are contending. Raptors have actively avoided that for a while.

Who cares? MLSE will pay it if the team has a shot. Ya'll worry about the dumbest things as armchair GMs.

Duh~ Teams not touching that **** unless they are contending bit kinda implies that, no? Problem is they likely don't have a shot. Quickley, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl lineup hasn't been that successful to begin with and adding another expensive injury prone player whose team has had varying degrees of failures with him won't all of a sudden propel them into success. The ceiling's not that particularly high either.

[Morris_Shatford]

A+ on value
I dunno like Q- on fit in this exact moment in time.

[Clutch0z24]

Not really gonna grade the move just yet i have to see how this season plays out .....If Ingram is ok to sit out the majority of the year for us to maximize the draft pick that would be ideal.....Ingram is a huge talent to add but we have to get lucky in the lottery for me to be excited about the future of this team...

Adding any of Flagg/Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe would give me higher hopes about the future....But if Ingram plays and impacts our draft position too much this is a horrible move...

[Basketball_Jones]

Part of the discussion was probably selling Ingram on the idea that he’s now the top dog. Scottie is good but he’s no Zion to compete with. I did get some Rudy Gay vibes from this move but Ingram is just a way better player than he was.

[Green Backpack]

B

If he leaves as a UFA then an F lol

[NBA Sheady]

Masai doesn't make this trade without discussing an extension or new deal. In those discussions, he's using availability data as leverage.

[artsncrafts]

Really as with every move that has and will happen this year, it all depends on where 2025 draft pick ends up.

[deeps6x]

gave it an A because:

- bought LOW on a very talented player who is now the team’s best pure scorer. assuming BI resigns, this is good asset management

- doesn’t impact our tank this year if we don’t want it to. Ie. BI can sit most of the remaining season, playing limited minutes only to assess how he best fits. Plus Brown and KO were key to our recent winning stretch, losing them helps the tank

- prepares this team to start winning next season. while this season makes complete sense to tank the way it’s gone - we can’t be perpetually losing. need to start winning ASAP after this season is done with

I'd say it was actually Boucher who cost us five losses in the tankathon. We need to trade him today, or resign him for MLE money.

I kind of wish we'd have moved Poeltl instead. I mean if this was the kind of haul Poeltl would have brought: rookie Dalton Knecht, Cam Reddish, a 2031 unprotected first-round pick and a 2030 pick swap (to the Hornets for Williams), I would have rather kept rebuilding with youth and picks. Does anyone think Poeltl is worse then Williams?

But now that we have BI, a Poeltl trade won't happen. We'll probably have to extend him after we re-sign BI.

TANK HARD, because we won't be able to add any more talent. Tho we might make a sideways move with IQ or RJ.

[deck]

Not crazy about this trade. It's the IQ situation all over again, where we now need to negotiate an extension having just sent a first rounder outbound. The dollar amount that we potentially re-sign Ingram to will change the value on this trade quite a bit.

This just didn't feel like a necessary move to me. I would have rather stayed the course and make a decision on going forward after this years draft.

[Jcity08]

I'm not giving it a grade until I get a better picture of what this means in the grand scheme of things. Lets redo this at the end of the season.

[FunkaRaptor]

If this doesn't impact the tank then I give it a better grade. But if it helps rack up meaningless W's then grade goes down.

I'm concerned about his durability and that we'll overpay him in the offseason but will wait and see.

[Lord_Zedd]

It's a B for now, until we see the damage on his extension

[ItsDanger]

F. This offense makes little sense and each player might make each other worse. The starting 5 next season will eat up way too much cap space for low upside. Defensively, this unit looks poor. At least the acquisition cost wasn't very high. Dick and Walter will ride the bench indefinitely.

And what about the current draft pick? My preference is to tear it down, add pieces each year and let the roster grow together. This move makes a subsequent move necessary.

[mack_435]

An "D" grade for me. It signals to me that we aren't serious about winning a championship. Moving ahead with one average All-Star and an injury-prone fringe All-Star in Ingram isn't going to win anything. Everyone is acting like the Indy pick is going to be in the 20s. Turner is a free agent and could very well be gone. If that happens, they are a lottery team. To sum up, we got better this year (not great) and lowered our ceiling when we should be trying to compete two years from now. Don't understand why masai just wont build through the draft it is his best strength

[6ixpessant]

Ever heard of luxury tax? If you haven't noticed, teams don't touch that **** unless they are contending. Raptors have actively avoided that for a while.

Who cares? MLSE will pay it if the team has a shot. Ya'll worry about the dumbest things as armchair GMs.

Duh~ Teams not touching that **** unless they are contending bit kinda implies that, no? Problem is they likely don't have a shot. Quickley, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl lineup hasn't been that successful to begin with and adding another expensive injury prone player whose team has had varying degrees of failures with him won't all of a sudden propel them into success. The ceiling's not that particularly high either.

Poeltl's contract is great, it's an easy number to fit into trades. RJ's contract isn't awful and you have a guy like Dick. A pair of those guys, all three.. whatever could get you back a player in the right situation.

The Raptors have their costs set for what they consider their core for the next two seasons after this. They know what the next 3 years will be financially. The cap and apron will go up, these contracts have less effect.

They get to bring in a possible impact rookie this year, there are going to be good players between 8-12. That's another set cost. They have developed some of these guys very well this year, those costs are going to go up marginally if they keep some of them around.

This is good business, they have already done the math for the apron and all that. Do you think the front office can just run off and do whatever they want financially without oversight?

Unknowns make things complicated. Forget Kawhi?

Anthony Davis was injury-prone until he wasn't. Everyone is durable until they're not. We don't know Ingram's medical history and every team does stuff differently as far as rehab and resources. Again.. Forget Kawhi?

I don't think you actually understand how all of this works.

[arbsn]

I like the player.

I think it's extremely stupid to keep trading picks for win now talent when we are nowhere close to winning now.

We need to be stacking young assets so that we can create or trade for a star. After we have a star we can trade future picks for win now players.

[arbsn]

An "D" grade for me. It signals to me that we aren't serious about winning a championship. Moving ahead with one average All-Star and an injury-prone fringe All-Star in Ingram isn't going to win anything. Everyone is acting like the Indy pick is going to be in the 20s. Turner is a free agent and could very well be gone. If that happens, they are a lottery team. To sum up, we got better this year (not great) and lowered our ceiling when we should be trying to compete two years from now. Don't understand why masai just wont build through the draft it is his best strength

Haliburton is injury prone. It's possible we just traded a 2nd lottery pick for a win now asset only to end up back in the lottery again.

[dozo]

I'm not giving it a grade until I get a better picture of what this means in the grand scheme of things. Lets redo this at the end of the season.

Agreed. It's a wait-and-see situation for me.

There are still many unanswered questions:

Will BI re-sign with the Raptors?

What’s his cap hold?

Can he stay healthy enough to play 65–70 games per season?

Where will the Indiana pick land—Lottery or 20+?

[canada_dry]

A just based off value.

Probably closer to a B+ or A- but that wasn't an option

[TheRaptor!]

I like the player.

I think it's extremely stupid to keep trading picks for win now talent when we are nowhere close to winning now.

We need to be stacking young assets so that we can create or trade for a star. After we have a star we can trade future picks for win now players.

Dont we have like 5 rookies rn?

How many more rookies would you like to add to the team?

A roster of 15 rookies and sophs + scottie barnes?