Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V2.0

[mdenny]

Chet alone is probably better than any package that any other team would offer. Don't think they would even need to add too many picks.

I've been kinda shocked by the speculation of a giannis trade. Imo....ppl are drastically under-estimating his trade value. They will have to add at least 4 or 5 picks to Chet. And they'll probably also have to add quality rotation guys, like hartenstien, in matching salaries.

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

Why wouldn't a Houston package built around Sengun be much different?

[Scizzup]

Chet alone is probably better than any package that any other team would offer. Don't think they would even need to add too many picks.

I've been kinda shocked by the speculation of a giannis trade. Imo....ppl are drastically under-estimating his trade value. They will have to add at least 4 or 5 picks to Chet. And they'll probably also have to add quality rotation guys, like hartenstien, in matching salaries.

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty like team with what they have now and going after cheaper player. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

[mdenny]

I've been kinda shocked by the speculation of a giannis trade. Imo....ppl are drastically under-estimating his trade value. They will have to add at least 4 or 5 picks to Chet. And they'll probably also have to add quality rotation guys, like hartenstien, in matching salaries.

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty with what they have now. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

Damn. I don't think Chet has the value you guys are saying. Top 15 defender of all time? I'm not seeing that at all.

[Boogie!]

Begs the question....why aren't there 70 to 80 posts on this thread bashing OG unmercifully?

OG does alot more that goes beyond the boxscore but so does fred. When powell shoots 6 for 16, a player who really only scores and doesn't do anything else, all I see is "NORMGOD" lol.

The Pistons/knicks has been the best series for my money. Wasn't expecting these games to be so close. I'm not sure if the Pistons are better than I thought or the knicks aren't as good as I thought.

Hoping for a game 6 just because the viewership is so entertaining.

Ogs career offensive effiency has always been more flattering than Fred’s. Not sure why you insist on dying on the fvv hill. He’s overrated. Add his unaesthetic play style, his slight arrogance on top of his inefficiency and you get a player that’s easy to dislike. Golden state is about to eliminate him, even with an injured jimmy butler.

A catch and shoot player has a higher FG% then a point guard? I'm shocked. Next thing you'll tell me that jacob poetl gets more rebounds than Fred.

You do realize that the point guard position has the lowest fg% of all the positions right?

and yet amongst all the starting point guards in the playoffs right now, who has the worst efficiency?

[PushDaRock]

I've been kinda shocked by the speculation of a giannis trade. Imo....ppl are drastically under-estimating his trade value. They will have to add at least 4 or 5 picks to Chet. And they'll probably also have to add quality rotation guys, like hartenstien, in matching salaries.

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

Why wouldn't a Houston package built around Sengun be much different?

Combination of Chet's upside along with his 2 way plug and play ability into any lineup gives him more value over Sengun IMO. Only downside for him really is he hasn't been healthy.

[mdenny]

Ogs career offensive effiency has always been more flattering than Fred’s. Not sure why you insist on dying on the fvv hill. He’s overrated. Add his unaesthetic play style, his slight arrogance on top of his inefficiency and you get a player that’s easy to dislike. Golden state is about to eliminate him, even with an injured jimmy butler.

A catch and shoot player has a higher FG% then a point guard? I'm shocked. Next thing you'll tell me that jacob poetl gets more rebounds than Fred.

You do realize that the point guard position has the lowest fg% of all the positions right?

and yet amongst all the starting point guards in the playoffs right now, who has the worst efficiency?

Fg% simply isn't a crucial metric in evaluating point guards. Iverson's FG% was always lower than average. Noone would ever compare iverson to say, ray allen in FG% and say "thus, Allen was a better player".

If you want to to talk about holistic statistics.....fred's career is far better than OG or Norm. You are just cherry-picking one statistic that norm and OG's roles have a natural advantage.

[PushDaRock]

I've been kinda shocked by the speculation of a giannis trade. Imo....ppl are drastically under-estimating his trade value. They will have to add at least 4 or 5 picks to Chet. And they'll probably also have to add quality rotation guys, like hartenstien, in matching salaries.

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty like team with what they have now and going after cheaper player. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

I wouldn't say 0% chance but it's probably unlikely. It would likely depend on how these playoffs go. If they go out the same way they did last year, a move for Giannis becomes more of a possibility.

[HiJiNX]

didn’t he have a few seasons with him already? Also siakam has always had elite touch around the rim and that quick sort of bouncy athleticism… not the highest leaper, but very agile and quick and coordinated. Barnes is way more robotic. Again there’s just certain limitations that players have that can’t just be fixed with hard work.

Haha I’m just talking about Siakam’s ability to dribble which was worse than Barnes at one point. But we have seen Siakam develop that part of his game to a near elite level for a 6’9 guy.

I guess the point I’m making is dribbling isn’t the make or break part of Scottie’s game. There’s plenty of other aspects that you can improve that would make that much more of an impact. Shooting the 3 for one.

I don’t disagree. But I’m just talking about dribbling. My main point was that Siakam has made crazy strides in his handle throughout his career, and then a tongue in cheek comment about Scottie. Not that serious haha.

[Boogie!]

A catch and shoot player has a higher FG% then a point guard? I'm shocked. Next thing you'll tell me that jacob poetl gets more rebounds than Fred.

You do realize that the point guard position has the lowest fg% of all the positions right?

and yet amongst all the starting point guards in the playoffs right now, who has the worst efficiency?

Fg% simply isn't a crucial metric in evaluating point guards. Iverson's FG% was always lower than average. Noone would ever compare iverson to say, ray allen in FG and say "thus, Allen was a better player".

If you want to to talk about holistic statistics.....fred's career is far better than OG or Norm. You are just cherry-picking one statistic that norm and OG's roles have a natural advantage.

fred's efficiency this year is even meh for a point guard in the year 2000... there's a reason he's never gonna get past the first round leading a team as its starting point guard. if you replace fvv with any of the other star point guards in the playoffs this year, they are instantly better. his offensive game is absolutely a limitation and there's no amount of rationalizing you can do to change the fact that it's holding both him and his team back regardless of all the other analytics and defensive intangibles. we're in an era where star pgs are some of the best scorers and you're out here trying to defend fvv's lack of offense and somehow even JUSTIFY it because of his role. it absolutely is a crucial metric in evaluating point guards in today's nba. in fact, scoring efficiency is a crucial metric in evaluating almost EVERY player in today's nba, regardless of position... the only time it doesn't matter is if they're a role player, bench warmer, defensive specialist. ill give you credit for your loyalty, but your inability to be realistic with regards to him will forever cloud your judgement.

[Scizzup]

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty with what they have now. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

Damn. I don't think Chet has the value you guys are saying. Top 15 defender of all time? I'm not seeing that at all.

he has the potential, he is really that special on defense. He would have been the DPOY this year if healthy. His only competition on defense is the freakish Wemby. OKC is a great team already but when they play Chet at center they turn into peak KD/Curry Warriors. He allows spacing and provides top 2 rim defense and above average switching defense. Gobert is a top 15 all time defender, i think Chet can get there in the future if healthy.

You priotize SGA/Chet that is like a Steph/Dray type partnership in terms of how it helps both sides. Chet is better than Mobley, his only issue is the injuries so far.

[mdenny]

and yet amongst all the starting point guards in the playoffs right now, who has the worst efficiency?

Fg% simply isn't a crucial metric in evaluating point guards. Iverson's FG% was always lower than average. Noone would ever compare iverson to say, ray allen in FG and say "thus, Allen was a better player".

If you want to to talk about holistic statistics.....fred's career is far better than OG or Norm. You are just cherry-picking one statistic that norm and OG's roles have a natural advantage.

fred's efficiency this year is even meh for a point guard in the year 2000... there's a reason he's never gonna get past the first round leading a team as its starting point guard. if you replace fvv with any of the other star point guards in the playoffs this year, they are instantly better. his offensive game is absolutely a limitation and there's no amount of rationalizing you can do to change the fact that it's holding both him and his team back regardless of all the other analytics and defensive intangibles. we're in an era where star pgs are some of the best scorers and you're out here trying to defend fvv's lack of offense and somehow even JUSTIFY it because of his role. it absolutely is a crucial metric in evaluating point guards in today's nba. in fact, scoring efficiency is a crucial metric in evaluating almost EVERY player in today's nba, regardless of position... the only time it doesn't matter is if they're a role player, bench warmer, defensive specialist. ill give you credit for your loyalty, but your inability to be realistic with regards to him will forever cloud your judgement.

Kyle lowry career fg% is 42. Fred is 40.

That means kyle gets 1 more bucket than Fred for every 50 shots they take.

Your logic is just weird. Every team in the league would "be better" if you replaced one of their starters with an allstar at their position.

If you replaced norm with Jayson Tatum or jaylen Brown than the clippers would be better too. So what?

[Boogie!]

Fg% simply isn't a crucial metric in evaluating point guards. Iverson's FG% was always lower than average. Noone would ever compare iverson to say, ray allen in FG and say "thus, Allen was a better player".

If you want to to talk about holistic statistics.....fred's career is far better than OG or Norm. You are just cherry-picking one statistic that norm and OG's roles have a natural advantage.

fred's efficiency this year is even meh for a point guard in the year 2000... there's a reason he's never gonna get past the first round leading a team as its starting point guard. if you replace fvv with any of the other star point guards in the playoffs this year, they are instantly better. his offensive game is absolutely a limitation and there's no amount of rationalizing you can do to change the fact that it's holding both him and his team back regardless of all the other analytics and defensive intangibles. we're in an era where star pgs are some of the best scorers and you're out here trying to defend fvv's lack of offense and somehow even JUSTIFY it because of his role. it absolutely is a crucial metric in evaluating point guards in today's nba. in fact, scoring efficiency is a crucial metric in evaluating almost EVERY player in today's nba, regardless of position... the only time it doesn't matter is if they're a role player, bench warmer, defensive specialist. ill give you credit for your loyalty, but your inability to be realistic with regards to him will forever cloud your judgement.

Kyle lowry career fg% is 42. Fred is 40.

That means kyle gets 1 more bucket than Fred for every 50 shots they take.

Your logic is just weird. Every team in the league would "be better" if you replaced one of their starters with an allstar at their position.

you're literally defending a player that during this series is putting up a statline of 11.3/4.0 apg on 27%/21% shooting and acting like that somehow has no bearing on his impact to the team. I'm no statistician but that's gotta be historically **** bad for a starting pg averaging 41 mpg in the playoffs... the rockets would be better with davion **** mitchell right now... the only logic that's weird here is yours. if i didn't see you post your love for fvv for 5 or whatever years, I honestly would've thought you were trolling right now. if this was siakam posting those numbers, or barnes, or insert any other player, you would be the first to rip them apart i'm sure.

[mdenny]

fred's efficiency this year is even meh for a point guard in the year 2000... there's a reason he's never gonna get past the first round leading a team as its starting point guard. if you replace fvv with any of the other star point guards in the playoffs this year, they are instantly better. his offensive game is absolutely a limitation and there's no amount of rationalizing you can do to change the fact that it's holding both him and his team back regardless of all the other analytics and defensive intangibles. we're in an era where star pgs are some of the best scorers and you're out here trying to defend fvv's lack of offense and somehow even JUSTIFY it because of his role. it absolutely is a crucial metric in evaluating point guards in today's nba. in fact, scoring efficiency is a crucial metric in evaluating almost EVERY player in today's nba, regardless of position... the only time it doesn't matter is if they're a role player, bench warmer, defensive specialist. ill give you credit for your loyalty, but your inability to be realistic with regards to him will forever cloud your judgement.

Kyle lowry career fg% is 42. Fred is 40.

That means kyle gets 1 more bucket than Fred for every 50 shots they take.

Your logic is just weird. Every team in the league would "be better" if you replaced one of their starters with an allstar at their position.

you're literally defending a player that during this series is putting up a statline of 11.3/4.0 apg on 27%/21% shooting and acting like that somehow has no bearing on his impact to the team. I'm no statistician but that's gotta be historically **** bad for a starting pg averaging 41 mpg in the playoffs... the rockets would be better with davion **** mitchell right now... the only logic that's weird here is yours. if i didn't see you post your love for fvv for 5 or whatever years, I honestly would've thought you were trolling right now. if this was siakam posting those numbers, or barnes, or insert any other player, you would be the first to rip them apart i'm sure.

But you aren't saying "Fred is having a bad series". You are talking about his entire career.

Og and norm have both had bad games this playoffs. I didn't rip them apart and there weren't 70 to 80 posts about it like there was after game 1 regarding Fred?

When norm was traded from Portland it was looking like his career might be over. Who was "bashing" norm during that time?

Bro....it is undeniable that there is agenda against Fred on this board. He had a bad game. There were 70 to 80 posts bashing him. Norm has a bad game. Nothing. Og has invisible game. Nothing.

70 to 80 posts is like 4 or 5 pages of replies. Of JUST bashing Fred. To deny the anti-fred agenda is obtuse.

[Scizzup]

What team would be able to offer anything even close to Chet + quality rotation players + 4-5 picks?

If any team can afford to throw a bunch of picks away, it's OKC. But, I'm just saying no other team comes close to even beating any sort of Chet package.

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty like team with what they have now and going after cheaper player. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

I wouldn't say 0% chance but it's probably unlikely. It would likely depend on how these playoffs go. If they go out the same way they did last year, a move for Giannis becomes more of a possibility.

Its closer to zero from what I have heard and just how much it wouldn't make sense really I agree. OKC has a lot of picks, trading for a Cam Johnson would just about seal the title for them imo. Chet is very cheap and will be cheap for another 5 years after this when he is on a 25% max. Giannis is great and obviously worth Chet in a vacuum, just not for OKC. Presti is all about sustainability and trading for a 35% max 30 year old who has dealt with injuries lately isn't it.

OKC can sign both Chet/Jdub to 25% max and not have to make any roster decision until Shai signs his supermax in 2028. Odds are they win the title this year anyways

[mdenny]

There is 0% chance OKC will trade Chet. Chet is like the ideal player Presti loves. Not to mention he fits the team strength a lot more than even Giannis does. This is before factoring how this affects long term building.

I see no reason for OKC to even go for Giannis, cause they can build a dynasty like team with what they have now and going after cheaper player. But if they trade for him it will be Jdub. You don't trade a potential top 15 all time defender with the play finishing of Chet.

I wouldn't say 0% chance but it's probably unlikely. It would likely depend on how these playoffs go. If they go out the same way they did last year, a move for Giannis becomes more of a possibility.

Its closer to zero from what I have heard and just how much it wouldn't make sense really I agree. OKC has a lot of picks, trading for a Cam Johnson would just about seal the title for them imo. Chet is very cheap and will be cheap for another 5 years after this when he is on a 25% max. Giannis is great and obviously worth Chet in a vacuum, just not for OKC. Presti is all about sustainability and trading for a 35% max 30 year old who has dealt with injuries lately isn't it.

OKC can sign both Chet/Jdub to 25% max and not have to make any roster decision until Shai signs his supermax in 2028. Odds are they win the title this year anyways

They have one more seasin til SGA/chet/jdub take up more than 75% of their cap. Its the summer of 2027, not 2028, that Sga gets the supermax. At which point....85% of their cap will be spent on those 3. So they will lose all their other guys after next season unless they go deep into the second apron (which they have not done historically).

[Scizzup]

I wouldn't say 0% chance but it's probably unlikely. It would likely depend on how these playoffs go. If they go out the same way they did last year, a move for Giannis becomes more of a possibility.

Its closer to zero from what I have heard and just how much it wouldn't make sense really I agree. OKC has a lot of picks, trading for a Cam Johnson would just about seal the title for them imo. Chet is very cheap and will be cheap for another 5 years after this when he is on a 25% max. Giannis is great and obviously worth Chet in a vacuum, just not for OKC. Presti is all about sustainability and trading for a 35% max 30 year old who has dealt with injuries lately isn't it.

OKC can sign both Chet/Jdub to 25% max and not have to make any roster decision until Shai signs his supermax in 2028. Odds are they win the title this year anyways

They have one more seasin til SGA/chet/jdub take up more than 75% of their cap. Its the summer of 2027, not 2028, that Sga gets the supermax. At which point....85% of their cap will be spent on those 3. So they will lose all their other guys after next season unless they go deep into the second apron (which they have not done historically).

Ah a season earlier my bad but they have the 25/26 and 26//27 season before any decisions that summer, but no they would not lose any of their big 3. Where is that coming from? They just have to let one of Dort/Caruso go if they don't want to be a 2nd apron team. Cason Wallace probably ready to take on Dort role at that point. They have A.Wiggins and isiah Joe both making about 10% of the cap then. Their roster is very cheap bc is flanked with drafted players.


The only time it will be an issue is if both Chet/Jdub get the 30% max cause they were good enough to win DPOY or all nba next year. btw OKC has a new ownership group that has gone into the luxury tax for worse iterations with Russ/PG. I think they do it for couple of seasons for a group that is winning 60+ games yearly with title inspirations.

Edit: I just checked and Dort contract expires that same summer SGA supermax starts. Idk if Presto planned this but yea...

[Clay Davis]

The Lakers MUST trade for Jakob Poeltl.

An off-season marked by any move (or lack thereof) that isn't signing Jakob Poeltl is another loss for them. If they had Jakob, they'd have won the series by now. They must acknowledge and accept and desire the rizz of Jakob Poeltl.

[mdenny]

Its closer to zero from what I have heard and just how much it wouldn't make sense really I agree. OKC has a lot of picks, trading for a Cam Johnson would just about seal the title for them imo. Chet is very cheap and will be cheap for another 5 years after this when he is on a 25% max. Giannis is great and obviously worth Chet in a vacuum, just not for OKC. Presti is all about sustainability and trading for a 35% max 30 year old who has dealt with injuries lately isn't it.

OKC can sign both Chet/Jdub to 25% max and not have to make any roster decision until Shai signs his supermax in 2028. Odds are they win the title this year anyways

They have one more seasin til SGA/chet/jdub take up more than 75% of their cap. Its the summer of 2027, not 2028, that Sga gets the supermax. At which point....85% of their cap will be spent on those 3. So they will lose all their other guys after next season unless they go deep into the second apron (which they have not done historically).

Ah a season earlier my bad but they have the 25/26 and 26//27 season before any decisions that summer, but no they would not lose any of their big 3. Where is that coming from? They just have to let one of Dort/Caruso go if they don't want to be a 2nd apron team. Cason Wallace probably ready to take on Dort role at that point. They have A.Wiggins and isiah Joe both making about 10% of the cap then. Their roster is very cheap bc is flanked with drafted players.


The only time it will be an issue is if both Chet/Jdub get the 30% max cause they were good enough to win DPOY or all nba next year. btw OKC has a new ownership group that has gone into the luxury tax for worse iterations with Russ/PG. I think they do it for couple of seasons for a group that is winning 60+ games yearly with title inspirations.

Edit: I just checked and Dort contract expires that same summer SGA supermax starts. Idk if Presto planned this but yea...

So if they decide to keep their big 3.....after next season they won't be able to resign hartenstein or dort. They will have to shed Caruso somehow. That will leave them with 15% of the cap (around 24 to 35 million) for the rest of their roster after the big 3. Which also means if any of their current prospects establish themselves...they won't be able to offer them extensions.

Point being, no matter what way you look at it....they start losing assets for nothing. Starting with Dort, hartenstien. Also, they won't have enough roster spots for all their draft picks.

If they don't make a consolidating trade....they will be forced to make 3 for 1 draft pick trades that are heavily weighted towards their trade partners. Look for a team or 2 to take advantage of THAT. Something like the 8th overall pick for the 15th/18th/20th or some version of that.

Imo...youvare far better off having 2 supermax guys under the new rules then a big 3.

The big 3 with one supermax guy leaves you with 15% of the cap to fill out the roster. Whereas 2 supermax guys gives you two top 10 players and 30% of the cap to fill out the roster.

I'd prefer giannis/SGA and 30% of the cap over SGA/chet/jdubs and 15% of the cap. But I think ppl just haven't had a chance to become skeptical regarding chet and Jdubs. I think alot of perceptions on them right now are pie in the sky. SGA demands so much attention....I think he has a little of the jokic effect in that it makes life so much easier for his teammates. Jdubs really didn't look good in games where SGA sat out.

[Boogie!]

Kyle lowry career fg% is 42. Fred is 40.

That means kyle gets 1 more bucket than Fred for every 50 shots they take.

Your logic is just weird. Every team in the league would "be better" if you replaced one of their starters with an allstar at their position.

you're literally defending a player that during this series is putting up a statline of 11.3/4.0 apg on 27%/21% shooting and acting like that somehow has no bearing on his impact to the team. I'm no statistician but that's gotta be historically **** bad for a starting pg averaging 41 mpg in the playoffs... the rockets would be better with davion **** mitchell right now... the only logic that's weird here is yours. if i didn't see you post your love for fvv for 5 or whatever years, I honestly would've thought you were trolling right now. if this was siakam posting those numbers, or barnes, or insert any other player, you would be the first to rip them apart i'm sure.

But you aren't saying "Fred is having a bad series". You are talking about his entire career.

Og and norm have both had bad games this playoffs. I didn't rip them apart and there weren't 70 to 80 posts about it like there was after game 1 regarding Fred?

When norm was traded from Portland it was looking like his career might be over. Who was "bashing" norm during that time?

Bro....it is undeniable that there is agenda against Fred on this board. He had a bad game. There were 70 to 80 posts bashing him. Norm has a bad game. Nothing. Og has invisible game. Nothing.

70 to 80 posts is like 4 or 5 pages of replies. Of JUST bashing Fred. To deny the anti-fred agenda is obtuse.

His season numbers are well below average and his playoff numbers are downright horrible. This is not ONE bad game. And as bad as his season has been, and this series has been, we have seen just as horrible series in a raptors uniform, and similar season performances in a raptors uniform.

Anti Fred agenda implies that he’s this amazing player that people hate because it’s personal. No, people don’t like him because of his **** basketball performance… that’s it. You make it seem like if he was nikola **** jokic that everyone would still be hating on him. No they hate him because he’s bad at basketball. Even rockets fans are turning on him now.

[Scizzup]

They have one more seasin til SGA/chet/jdub take up more than 75% of their cap. Its the summer of 2027, not 2028, that Sga gets the supermax. At which point....85% of their cap will be spent on those 3. So they will lose all their other guys after next season unless they go deep into the second apron (which they have not done historically).

Ah a season earlier my bad but they have the 25/26 and 26//27 season before any decisions that summer, but no they would not lose any of their big 3. Where is that coming from? They just have to let one of Dort/Caruso go if they don't want to be a 2nd apron team. Cason Wallace probably ready to take on Dort role at that point. They have A.Wiggins and isiah Joe both making about 10% of the cap then. Their roster is very cheap bc is flanked with drafted players.


The only time it will be an issue is if both Chet/Jdub get the 30% max cause they were good enough to win DPOY or all nba next year. btw OKC has a new ownership group that has gone into the luxury tax for worse iterations with Russ/PG. I think they do it for couple of seasons for a group that is winning 60+ games yearly with title inspirations.

Edit: I just checked and Dort contract expires that same summer SGA supermax starts. Idk if Presto planned this but yea...

So if they decide to keep their big 3.....after next season they won't be able to resign hartenstein or dort. They will have to shed Caruso somehow. That will leave them with 15% of the cap (around 24 to 35 million) for the rest of their roster after the big 3. Which also means if any of their current prospects establish themselves...they won't be able to offer them extensions.

Point being, no matter what way you look at it....they start losing assets for nothing. Starting with Dort, hartenstien. Also, they won't have enough roster spots for all their draft picks.

If they don't make a consolidating trade....they will be forced to make 3 for 1 draft pick trades that are heavily weighted towards their trade partners. Look for a team or 2 to take advantage of THAT. Something like the 8th overall pick for the 15th/18th/20th or some version of that.

Imo...youvare far better off having 2 supermax guys under the new rules then a big.

The big 3 with one supermax guy leaves you with 15% of the cap to fill out the roster. Whereas 2 supermax guys gives you two top 10 players and 30% of the cap to fill out the roster.

I'd prefer giannis/SGA and 30% of the cap over SGA/chet/jdubs and 15% of the cap. But I think ppl just haven't had a chance to become skeptical regarding chet and Jdubs. I think alot of perceptions on them right now are pie in the sky.

Why are you focused on SGA/Jdub/Chet +15% of the cap. Why tf does that matter. The second apron is 135% of the cap. I just told you the decision they have to make letting Dort or Caruso go as long as its 25% max. They can still retain Cason for relative 8% of the cap. by the time Shai supermax stats Jdub/Chet are taking up 23% ish of the max also.

Keith Smith of Sportrac has already gone through this with me cause I was curious lol. and Yes, Those 3 are better than Giannis/SGA due to Giannis injuries and age and the fact you have to extend Giannis (and year over year increase).