Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Boogie!]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

I think we could get alot of the players on the market without including Barnes with a pick package + RJ/Dick or Walter....I think only way you need to give up Barnes is if Giannis is the player.....Why give up Barnes if you don't have too?....Unless you trade Barnes + Dick and keep RJ/9th pick....It really all depends what Masai values more and since he already tried to trade Barrett i think he will be the one in the trade packages...

Because Barnes on his own has more value than anyone else and also because he’s not the man we thought he would be. Would make more sense to extract value out of him rather than forcing ourselves to build around him. If you get another star, Barnes has no off ball game to speak of… he’s just not a good fit around another ball dominant star player. Unless again you plan to use him as your draymond green defensive anchor but that’s a lot of money tied up to a defensive anchor. And it’s also even arguable that he will be that great in that role… it’s not like he’s some elite shot blocker or pass interceptor.

[MiamiSPX]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

If you mean us fans, it's because we overrate our players and think everyone wants IQ and Dick lol. If you mean our FO, I would be shocked if Barnes is still off limits in the "don't even ask about him" way.

[Clutch0z24]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

I think we could get alot of the players on the market without including Barnes with a pick package + RJ/Dick or Walter....I think only way you need to give up Barnes is if Giannis is the player.....Why give up Barnes if you don't have too?....Unless you trade Barnes + Dick and keep RJ/9th pick....It really all depends what Masai values more and since he already tried to trade Barrett i think he will be the one in the trade packages...

Because Barnes on his own has more value than anyone else and also because he’s not the man we thought he would be. Would make more sense to extract value out of him rather than forcing ourselves to build around him.

Yeah if we are trading for Giannis i agree we give up Barnes...But if you can get another all star to add and we didn't need to give up Barnes ....Why would we give him up?....The thought process for Masai would be to make a trio with Barnes/Ingram/Big fish....But ofc if the big fish is Giannis Barnes is gone...

I think if its some Trae/Ball level player RJ/9th pick is the main offer on the table.

[billy_hoyle]

LaMelo Ball + Mark Williams

4

IQ + Ochai + 9th

Let's go all-in on injury risk players.

Ball, Shead
RJ, Walter, Lawson
Ingram, Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Mark Williams, 2nd rounder

+ All our picks moving forward

[Clutch0z24]

LaMelo Ball + Mark Williams

4

IQ + Ochai + 9th

Let's go all-in on injury risk players.

Ball, Shead
RJ, Walter, Lawson
Ingram, Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Mark Williams, 2nd rounder

+ All our picks moving forward

Sadly i think IQ lost ALL trade value hes had on that big of a contract...And your not getting Ball with IQ/Ochai being the only players going out....I think Hornets ask for RJ + 9th at least...especially getting Mark Williams as well Lakers almost gave up Knect 2 future FRP for him alone...

I think for Ball the Package would be RJ/9th one of Dick/Mogbo/Walter.....For Melo/Salary filler +33 second rounder...

[TimeForChange]

LaMelo Ball + Mark Williams

4

IQ + Ochai + 9th

Let's go all-in on injury risk players.

Ball, Shead
RJ, Walter, Lawson
Ingram, Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Mark Williams, 2nd rounder

+ All our picks moving forward

If the raps are trading for a PG, I am looking to move RJ and move IQ to the starting 2.

Finding a true point guard is going to be the problem.

[Merit]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

[ForeverTFC]

Ed Rogers told Masai you have 12 months to save your job

This rumour has "sign Landry Fields to block the Knicks from signing Steve Nash" all over it. Masai is weak af right now, going around the league telling everyone who will listen they'll pay up.

Sounds like you’re not following league chatter at all. There is an impending sale of Larry’s stake to Roger’s approaching next year. Windhorst himself said last month that the everyone around the league is watching the Raptors situation closely. There is a lot at play here and unfortunately we have to read the tea leaves because our media is part of the ownership group.

[Boogie!]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction. This is my point idk why people are forcing these lineups to include Scottie when it doesn’t make sense. Gianni’s would benefit from another shooter instead of Scottie in that lineup.

Having iq and Rj would actually help Gianni’s more than Scottie would.

[Raps in 4]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction

There is also a 0% chance that Milwaukee trades us Giannis without #9 and Scottie (and multiple future FRPs) going their way. It's completely delusional to think otherwise.

[Merit]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction

Given Scottie’s shooting this past season, yes for now. I’m hopeful for improvement.

However - teams would need to match up with us because we are stupidly long and have stupid stupid size and defensive acumen, with only BI being average in that domain.

[Merit]

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction

There is also a 0% chance that Milwaukee trades us Giannis without #9 and Scottie (and multiple future FRPs) going their way. It's completely delusional to think otherwise.

I’ve been wrong before *shrug*. No skin off my back. I’ve also been right before. Also no skin off my back.

[Clutch0z24]

It could end up being him, but it could work to have Scottie guard 2/3’s and play PG offensively.

Eg. Iq/RJ/9 for Giannis/Connaughton

Something like:

Scottie/Ochai/BI/Giannis/Poeltl
Shead/Walter/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche

+ Battle, Connaughton, MLE signing (NAW/Boucher), LLE (Horford) #39

Spitballing, but it could work.

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction

There is also a 0% chance that Milwaukee trades us Giannis without #9 and Scottie (and multiple future FRPs) going their way. It's completely delusional to think otherwise.

Yeah the posters who think we can are delusional homers who over value our players....Giannis is a top 3 player ....You have to give up the farm for him and hope Giannis attracts solid vets to come here for cheaper and we hit on our 2nd rounders....

[Merit]

Scottie and Gianni’s in the same lineup is such **** roster construction

There is also a 0% chance that Milwaukee trades us Giannis without #9 and Scottie (and multiple future FRPs) going their way. It's completely delusional to think otherwise.

Yeah the posters who think we can are delusional homers who over value our players....Giannis is a top 3 player ....You have to give up the farm for him and hope you Giannis attracts solid vets to come here for cheaper and we hit on our 2nd rounders....

I’ve provided evidence before of my appropriate valuation, but feel free to believe what you’d like.

[PushDaRock]

I think I might be in the slight minority but I would move Barnes for JJJ in a second. Wouldn't even think twice.

lol don't think you're in the slight minority

[ForeverTFC]

Thought we landed our “big fish” already with Ingram lol

Wouldn't it be awesome if there WAS a bigger fish on our roster at the start of the season, though?

This is probably just smoke, but at least it's something fun to chase during the off-season, even if it doesn't pan out.

Just clickbait, the Raptors are known to have the biggest online fan interaction. If we do land a “big fish” it would be in secrecy until the day before it happens like the Kawhi situation.

Windhorst doesn’t do clickbait. If he says it, it’s real. With that said, it takes 2 to tango. So we’ll see if it happens.

[Merit]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

I think we could get alot of the players on the market without including Barnes with a pick package + RJ/Dick or Walter....I think only way you need to give up Barnes is if Giannis is the player.....Why give up Barnes if you don't have too?....Unless you trade Barnes + Dick and keep RJ/9th pick....It really all depends what Masai values more and since he already tried to trade Barrett i think he will be the one in the trade packages...

Because Barnes on his own has more value than anyone else and also because he’s not the man we thought he would be. Would make more sense to extract value out of him rather than forcing ourselves to build around him. If you get another star, Barnes has no off ball game to speak of… he’s just not a good fit around another ball dominant star player. Unless again you plan to use him as your draymond green defensive anchor but that’s a lot of money tied up to a defensive anchor. And it’s also even arguable that he will be that great in that role… it’s not like he’s some elite shot blocker or pass interceptor.

I think we move Scottie and anyone on our team, really - if we get both KD and Giannis. That’s a scenario where it would make sense to me.

[Clutch0z24]

There is also a 0% chance that Milwaukee trades us Giannis without #9 and Scottie (and multiple future FRPs) going their way. It's completely delusional to think otherwise.

Yeah the posters who think we can are delusional homers who over value our players....Giannis is a top 3 player ....You have to give up the farm for him and hope you Giannis attracts solid vets to come here for cheaper and we hit on our 2nd rounders....

I’ve provided evidence before of my appropriate valuation, but feel free to believe what you’d like.

Appropriate valuation for a top 3 player in the league and a former MVP/FMVP All time great is the same package you got for OG with adding a 9th pick....If you are talking about a top 1/2 pick here sure you would make a little bit of sense....Also no future picks as well?...Sounds more delusional than appropriate...

[Merit]

Yeah the posters who think we can are delusional homers who over value our players....Giannis is a top 3 player ....You have to give up the farm for him and hope you Giannis attracts solid vets to come here for cheaper and we hit on our 2nd rounders....

I’ve provided evidence before of my appropriate valuation, but feel free to believe what you’d like.

Appropriate valuation for a top 3 player in the league and a former MVP/FMVP All time great is the same package you got for OG with adding a 9th pick....If you are talking about a top 1/2 pick here sure you would make a little bit of sense....Also no future picks as well?...Sounds more delusional than appropriate...

As I’ve said before - I’m only factoring in salary - not future picks in my trade proposals. And yes, I do think that’s appropriate value, but let’s see how it all shakes down. If the Raps are going for both KD and Giannis, then everyone is on the table.

I’m speaking from historical perspective. Raps have never traded multiple future firsts with Masai in charge. Even the Jak trade was for one only.

[Merit]

I’m still not sure why we’re not dangling Scottie when looking for this big fish. Everyone’s proposals keeps including everyone except him.

If you mean us fans, it's because we overrate our players and think everyone wants IQ and Dick lol. If you mean our FO, I would be shocked if Barnes is still off limits in the "don't even ask about him" way.

I agree that Scottie is no longer untouchable, but he’s not far from that either. We’re not trading him for KD, for example.