Pascal is one win away from finals mvp

[Duffman100]

Masai would only do that if Rogers is forcing him to. Oherwise it's simply not going to happen.

On the contrary, trading for a HOF talent rental player fits exactly what Masai's MO is and I expect it's a very real possibility.

well I mean the last time he did that, he won us a championship

Nah as Randle said previously, we should have tanked. Like Utah and Washington.

[Thaddy]

The net return was good but it should have been better. It sucks seeing other teams get bloated offers while we got Brown and a crappy pick.

[Duffman100]

The net return was good but it should have been better. It sucks seeing other teams get bloated offers while we got Brown and a crappy pick.

We got Ochai, Walter and Ingram. We didn't just get Brown and a crappy pick.

[Thaddy]

The net return was good but it should have been better. It sucks seeing other teams get bloated offers while we got Brown and a crappy pick.

We got Ochai, Walter and Ingram. We didn't just get Brown and a crappy pick.

Yeah that's true. But Ingram has injury issues and Agbaji and Walter won't likely never be all stars.

[redeye514]

Would love to see it for a few reasons but one of them would certainly be that it would increase the likelihood that Ed makes a change in the FO. You just can’t ignore what a failure they’ve been for 5 seasons now including how they dealt with Siakam.

You are excited at the idea of Ed Rogers having more power and conviction to fire one of the most respected and sought after sports executives in the entire world?

Absolutely. Nobody should get a free pass for their entire life to mismanage an organization as badly as this one has been this decade and Ed may be the only one with the guts to end that free pass.

The irony of typing Nobody should get a free pass for their entire life to mismanage an organization as badly as this one has to promote the virtues of Ed Rogers is next level stuff. Thanks for the comedic relief.

[TimeForChange]

Happy for Pascal but people really need to let this go.

Pascal/Fred/OG wasn’t working. Things had to change.

[LoveMyRaps]

Never wanted to get rid of Pascal.

But I also didn't have a problem for those that did, since they wanted to enter a rebuild and also didn't want to give him the max.

The ones that I had an issue with, were those that believed Scottie & Siakam couldn't coexist OR the ones that wanted to keep OG over Siakam.

I also used to believe that Siakam had another level to unlock and that he'd eventually become a more efficient 3pt shooter, which he did.

[junot111]

happy for Pascal but not excited about the rehashing of the same tired discourse about the FO's moves...

[Rodrickle]

Another bashing of the FO? Pascal needed a change of scenery, and he's a great fit out there with a stretch 5 in Turner. I'm just happy for him. He's a good dude. We did get a pretty good return and it remains to be seen how Walter turns out. I'm hopefulu. We're still a WIP and let's see how next season is with Ingram, sophomore Walter before we judge the trade entirely.

[james vincent]

Never wanted to get rid of Pascal.

But I also didn't have a problem for those that did, since they wanted to enter a rebuild and also didn't want to give him the max.

The ones that I had an issue with, were those that believed Scottie & Siakam couldn't coexist OR the ones that wanted to keep OG over Siakam.

I also used to believe that Siakam had another level to unlock and that he'd eventually become a more efficient 3pt shooter, which he did.

I agree but pascal has better fitting players around him and more space to operate in Indiana.

The Raptors failed to get more 3 point shooting around him and a shot creator (in Haliburton).

Having a non spacing big in Jakob and inconsistent shooting (in Barnes) put a lot of pressure on Pascal and made him play more outside of his comfort zone (which made the fanbase disappointed in him).

He’s playing a similar role to the 2019 team where Halliburton’s getting most of the attention and Pascal’s capitalizing off of mismatches and cuts; that’s the best role which he greatly thrives off of.

Lastly, he has a bench which Toronto hasn’t had since 2020; he also doesn’t have to play 37-40 minutes a game like he did under Nick Nurse.

[JustLucky]

happy for Pascal but not excited about the rehashing of the same tired discourse about the FO's moves...

ya that was def not the point of the post yall got issues

[Mattatron]

Using your years, Pascal was traded in 2023, not 2024 and that includes a season where the team won 48 games, which would be hard to describe as a "horrific roster". I am not sure your condescension about knowing math really checks out.

January 17, 2024: Traded by the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers for Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Isaiah Collier was later selected), a 2024 1st round draft pick (Ja'Kobe Walter was later selected) and a 2026 1st round draft pick. Toronto also received a trade exception conditional 2024 1st-rd pick is IND own 2024 1st-rd pick is least favorable conditional 2026 1st-rd pick is IND own.


Siakam Trade was in 2024. In the 23/24 season.

That 48W season was horrific. Every player had to play 40+ minutes to actually win a game. Cheating season. Now f off.

warned, personal attack.

The 48 season was horrific? Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year.
Fred in Wins: 37mpg, Fred in Losses: 39mpg
Pascal In Wins: 38mpg, Pascal in Losses: 38mpg
OG in Wins: 36mpg, OG in Losses: 36mpg
Scottie in Wins: 36mpg, Scottie in Losses: 36mpg
GTJ in Wins: 35mpg, GTJ in Losses: 35mpg

Dude, NN overplayed them like Thibs to squeeze out fake wins, everybody knows it. This was not a good team, as you can see, the other seasons was just trash.

And stop ignoring the fact that he was traded 2024 and we played 4 seasons with that core. So stop spreading misinformation and accept that you were wrong.

"Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year."

Just to say that Fred played 39mpg and Pascal 38mpg og 36mpg... pls stop it.

[ill-Will03]

how does this always turn to bashing the FO lol. Some of you need to get a grip. Either way happy for Pascal and always felt like he had this level of play in him. This is all because of his hard work and dedication that he's gotten to this point. Crazy to see him back in the finals before Kawhi, with a serious chance at finals MVP.

Question i have is if he does win it, where will he stand as the greatest players to put on a raptors jersey?

[Duffman100]

January 17, 2024: Traded by the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers for Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Isaiah Collier was later selected), a 2024 1st round draft pick (Ja'Kobe Walter was later selected) and a 2026 1st round draft pick. Toronto also received a trade exception conditional 2024 1st-rd pick is IND own 2024 1st-rd pick is least favorable conditional 2026 1st-rd pick is IND own.


Siakam Trade was in 2024. In the 23/24 season.

That 48W season was horrific. Every player had to play 40+ minutes to actually win a game. Cheating season. Now f off.

warned, personal attack.

The 48 season was horrific? Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year.
Fred in Wins: 37mpg, Fred in Losses: 39mpg
Pascal In Wins: 38mpg, Pascal in Losses: 38mpg
OG in Wins: 36mpg, OG in Losses: 36mpg
Scottie in Wins: 36mpg, Scottie in Losses: 36mpg
GTJ in Wins: 35mpg, GTJ in Losses: 35mpg

Dude, NN overplayed them like Thibs to squeeze out fake wins, everybody knows it. This was not a good team, as you can see, the other seasons was just trash.

And stop ignoring the fact that he was traded 2024 and we played 4 seasons with that core. So stop spreading misinformation and accept that you were wrong.

"Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year."

Just to say that Fred played 39mpg and Pascal 38mpg og 36mpg... pls stop it.

It was a solid core with no bench. They hung with Philly despite being pretty hampered by injuries.

Tossing it away as a 'horrific season' is really weird.

[pingpongrac]

January 17, 2024: Traded by the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers for Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Isaiah Collier was later selected), a 2024 1st round draft pick (Ja'Kobe Walter was later selected) and a 2026 1st round draft pick. Toronto also received a trade exception conditional 2024 1st-rd pick is IND own 2024 1st-rd pick is least favorable conditional 2026 1st-rd pick is IND own.


Siakam Trade was in 2024. In the 23/24 season.

That 48W season was horrific. Every player had to play 40+ minutes to actually win a game. Cheating season. Now f off.

warned, personal attack.

The 48 season was horrific? Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year.
Fred in Wins: 37mpg, Fred in Losses: 39mpg
Pascal In Wins: 38mpg, Pascal in Losses: 38mpg
OG in Wins: 36mpg, OG in Losses: 36mpg
Scottie in Wins: 36mpg, Scottie in Losses: 36mpg
GTJ in Wins: 35mpg, GTJ in Losses: 35mpg

Dude, NN overplayed them like Thibs to squeeze out fake wins, everybody knows it. This was not a good team, as you can see, the other seasons was just trash.

And stop ignoring the fact that he was traded 2024 and we played 4 seasons with that core. So stop spreading misinformation and accept that you were wrong.

"Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year."

Just to say that Fred played 39mpg and Pascal 38mpg og 36mpg... pls stop it.

Scottie played 2.5 seasons with Siakam while Poeltl was here for a whopping ~25 games before the core started to be broken up (FVV signing with Houston in July of 2023, OG traded 6 months later, Siakam traded a few weeks after that). But if you want to say we played 4 seasons with that core, I guess you're including 2019/20 too (19/20 + 20/21 + 21/22 + 22/23 = 4 seasons) where we were on pace to win 60 games and could have very well been Finals bound if not for the pandemic.

[Troubadour]

how does this always turn to bashing the FO lol. Some of you need to get a grip. Either way happy for Pascal and always felt like he had this level of play in him. This is all because of his hard work and dedication that he's gotten to this point. Crazy to see him back in the finals before Kawhi, with a serious chance at finals MVP.

Question i have is if he does win it, where will he stand as the greatest players to put on a raptors jersey?

As in factoring in their full careers, not just with the Raptors?

The clear top four to me would be:
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Kyle Lowry

I bash the FO because they had a player capable of leading a team in scoring en route to 15 playoff wins while defending Karl-Anthony Towns, Jalen Williams or anchoring a defence and failed to build a competent team around him.

[ill-Will03]

how does this always turn to bashing the FO lol. Some of you need to get a grip. Either way happy for Pascal and always felt like he had this level of play in him. This is all because of his hard work and dedication that he's gotten to this point. Crazy to see him back in the finals before Kawhi, with a serious chance at finals MVP.

Question i have is if he does win it, where will he stand as the greatest players to put on a raptors jersey?

As in factoring in their full careers, not just with the Raptors?

The clear top four to me would be:
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Kyle Lowry

I bash the FO because they had a player capable of leading a team in scoring en route to 15 playoff wins while defending Karl-Anthony Towns, Jalen Williams or anchoring a defence and failed to build a competent team around him.

Ya factoring in their whole careers. Good call on Hakeem definitely forgot about him. But Pascal being listed with those players is kinda insane lol.


Ya bash the FO for that for sure. But not every single pascal thread has to turn into that lol.

[Troubadour]

The 48 season was horrific? Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year.
Fred in Wins: 37mpg, Fred in Losses: 39mpg
Pascal In Wins: 38mpg, Pascal in Losses: 38mpg
OG in Wins: 36mpg, OG in Losses: 36mpg
Scottie in Wins: 36mpg, Scottie in Losses: 36mpg
GTJ in Wins: 35mpg, GTJ in Losses: 35mpg

Dude, NN overplayed them like Thibs to squeeze out fake wins, everybody knows it. This was not a good team, as you can see, the other seasons was just trash.

And stop ignoring the fact that he was traded 2024 and we played 4 seasons with that core. So stop spreading misinformation and accept that you were wrong.

"Lol. Ok bud. No player played 40mpg that year."

Just to say that Fred played 39mpg and Pascal 38mpg og 36mpg... pls stop it.

It was a solid core with no bench. They hung with Philly despite being pretty hampered by injuries.

Tossing it away as a 'horrific season' is really weird.

What always stands out to me about that season is how that team managed to win games despite injuries to OG and Fred, lots of youth, no true big, and really just having Pascal Siakam problem solve everything on offence.

Clearly things soured the next season, but the players shouldering all of that blame when Nick Nurse clearly checked out and the front office fell asleep at the wheel and decided they were going to let all of their veteran core go is unfair to me.

[Troubadour]

how does this always turn to bashing the FO lol. Some of you need to get a grip. Either way happy for Pascal and always felt like he had this level of play in him. This is all because of his hard work and dedication that he's gotten to this point. Crazy to see him back in the finals before Kawhi, with a serious chance at finals MVP.

Question i have is if he does win it, where will he stand as the greatest players to put on a raptors jersey?

As in factoring in their full careers, not just with the Raptors?

The clear top four to me would be:
1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Kawhi Leonard
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Kyle Lowry

I bash the FO because they had a player capable of leading a team in scoring en route to 15 playoff wins while defending Karl-Anthony Towns, Jalen Williams or anchoring a defence and failed to build a competent team around him.

Ya factoring in their whole careers. Good call on Hakeem definitely forgot about him. But Pascal being listed with those players is kinda insane lol.


Ya bash the FO for that for sure. But not every single pascal thread has to be turn into that lol.

I get that, but at the same time, this is one of the most consequential decisions this franchise has ever made. They had an All-NBA talent clearly capable of playing championship-level basketball (whether they win on Sunday or not) who said, repeatedly, he wanted to finish his career here. Only time will tell if this was merely a trade the Pacers won by a landslide or something much worse.

[Morris_Shatford]

Pascal was always a good guy;
Wish him the best and hope he ends up with the MVP