PG: Wizards blow out slumping Raptors

[Tor_Raps]

Can add a few more teams to that list. Magic, Sixers, Cavs. Almost at the halfway point and these teams are all hovering around .500.

Maybe you skipped over my post above talking about the strength of schedule. We have the 4th hardest remaining schedule to get back to the .500 range and fighting for a play-in spot.

Those teams you mentioned easily have more talent on their roster to jump us unless we make a big trade or some of our youngsters take a massive step that we arent seeing right now.

I read it and it’s irrelevant. Sixers aren’t a talented team. They are an old team with very little depth who have just dropped two in a row to the Nets and Bulls. Magic are barely above .500 and have the same problem we have. At least we have our picks lol.

The East is terrible and what we see from the Raptors is what is happening to nearly all of the other East teams.

What did you expect from this team? Perhaps your expectations were far too high. I had this team winning maybe 40-45 games. They seem to be on track for that.

Then what the hell are we even arguing if you agree this team will be right around the .500 mark. We have been top 3 for a lot of the year and we will obviously not finish there. My expectations were the same as yours but like most fans, you always hope for more lol.

[TheAlchemist23]

Sell on Scottie before the luster is completely gone

[mdenny]

Can add a few more teams to that list. Magic, Sixers, Cavs. Almost at the halfway point and these teams are all hovering around .500.

Maybe you skipped over my post above talking about the strength of schedule. We have the 4th hardest remaining schedule to get back to the .500 range and fighting for a play-in spot.

Those teams you mentioned easily have more talent on their roster to jump us unless we make a big trade or some of our youngsters take a massive step that we arent seeing right now.

I read it and it’s irrelevant. Sixers aren’t a talented team. They are an old team with very little depth who have just dropped two in a row to the Nets and Bulls. Magic are barely above .500 and have the same problem we have. At least we have our picks lol.

The East is terrible and what we see from the Raptors is what is happening to nearly all of the other East teams.

What did you expect from this team? Perhaps your expectations were far too high. I had this team winning maybe 40-45 games. They seem to be on track for that.

The tank/rebuild enthusiasts play the exact same game over and over again. Blow up the team in hopes that a whole set of variables just happen to go our way - win the lottery, draft the right player, develop them to be stars.

And when we DON'T hit on the 1 to 2% chance of everything going right at each of those stages....then criticize the rebuild instead of admitting that it's not the best way to bulld a team.

We hear ALOT of criticism stating the raps didn't tank hard enough. And took too long to start rebuilding. But there's amother perspective that noone EVER talks about. Which is that the following team is probably in the top 3 teams in the east:

Norm
Fred
Og
Siakam
Barnes
Poetl

One COULD suggest that we actually weren't patient enough. At least i'd hope that ppl start to understand that when you have established, starter-level players on your team....it's basically a pipe dream that you can replace them all with prospects. Gradey Dick and Walter aren't outliers. That's what most first round picks become. They usually DON'T replace the norms and freds and OGs.

It gets so tiring to hear everyone overhyping anyone under the age of 22 and constantly bashing all the players over 25. The flaw in that logic is so obvious....when ppl talk about tearing it all down....they're talking about drafting Kobe as opposed to a reasonable expected outcome.

[PushDaRock]

Maybe you skipped over my post above talking about the strength of schedule. We have the 4th hardest remaining schedule to get back to the .500 range and fighting for a play-in spot.

Those teams you mentioned easily have more talent on their roster to jump us unless we make a big trade or some of our youngsters take a massive step that we arent seeing right now.

I read it and it’s irrelevant. Sixers aren’t a talented team. They are an old team with very little depth who have just dropped two in a row to the Nets and Bulls. Magic are barely above .500 and have the same problem we have. At least we have our picks lol.

The East is terrible and what we see from the Raptors is what is happening to nearly all of the other East teams.

What did you expect from this team? Perhaps your expectations were far too high. I had this team winning maybe 40-45 games. They seem to be on track for that.

Then what the hell are we even arguing if you agree this team will be right around the .500 mark. We have been top 3 for a lot of the year and we will obviously not finish there. My expectations were the same as yours but like most fans, you always hope for more lol.

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

[Boardbreaker]

Magic and pistons lost to tanking teams as well. Chalk it up to the holidays.

[PushDaRock]

Magic and pistons lost to tanking teams as well. Chalk it up to the holidays.

Pistons were at full strength too

[HumbleRen]

We’ve been 30th in offence for the last 12 games but fellas will dismiss it and say we’re fine cause we over performed for a 10 game stretch against bad teams lmao.

[Tor_Raps]

I read it and it’s irrelevant. Sixers aren’t a talented team. They are an old team with very little depth who have just dropped two in a row to the Nets and Bulls. Magic are barely above .500 and have the same problem we have. At least we have our picks lol.

The East is terrible and what we see from the Raptors is what is happening to nearly all of the other East teams.

What did you expect from this team? Perhaps your expectations were far too high. I had this team winning maybe 40-45 games. They seem to be on track for that.

Then what the hell are we even arguing if you agree this team will be right around the .500 mark. We have been top 3 for a lot of the year and we will obviously not finish there. My expectations were the same as yours but like most fans, you always hope for more lol.

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

[PushDaRock]

We’ve been 30th in offence for the last 12 games but fellas will dismiss it and say we’re fine cause we over performed for a 10 game stretch against bad teams lmao.

Longer than that, we have been dead last in offense since RJ has been out. There's a difference between legit concerns which there are a lot of right now and freaking out about a team that's still right around expectations over a 32 game sample size.

[HumbleRen]

We’ve been 30th in offence for the last 12 games but fellas will dismiss it and say we’re fine cause we over performed for a 10 game stretch against bad teams lmao.

Longer than that, we have been dead last in offense since RJ has been out. There's a difference between legit concerns which there are a lot of right now and freaking out about a team that's still right around expectations over a 32 game sample size.

Think it’s pretty disingenuous to phrase it that then. If there’s legitimate concerns about the roster, a competent FO isn’t saying “ah it’s fine, we’re still 4 games above .500”. You address the concern before it becomes an issue where it’s a sunk cost fallacy. We’re pretty near that point.

[PushDaRock]

Then what the hell are we even arguing if you agree this team will be right around the .500 mark. We have been top 3 for a lot of the year and we will obviously not finish there. My expectations were the same as yours but like most fans, you always hope for more lol.

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

They won 30 games last season, improving 10-15 games is pretty good? We can worry about this being a treadmill team once they actually get on the actual treadmill. We also still have all our picks if it gets to that point where there is still flexibility to do something about it. For now, it's about getting to mediocrity in the first place after being terrible the last 2 seasons.

[MEDIC]

If you look at the 2014 post Rudy Gay roster & compare it to this one, you can really see the difference in size & capable bench players.

Kyle Lowry
Demar Deeozan
T Ross
Amir Johnson
J Valanciunas

Bench:
C. Hayes
P. Patterson
J. Salmons
G. Vasquez
L. Fields
T. Hansbrough
S. Novak
N. De Colo

Look at the difference in Size and capable veteran bench players compared to what the Raptors have now. It makes a big difference.

I consider thease 2 teams to be at a similar timeline for development.

You bring back a healthy RJ & Yak, then add a backup C & a vet guard off the bench, they will string together some wins.

[Reeko]

There is no easy fix for this team unfortunately. They are pretty much locked in to this roster. They don't have the assets to be buyers for an upgrade and the only guys who would net them any kind of good return are Scottie and BI, maybe Sandro could net you a scrub making the same money with a late 1st attached to him.

The way things are looking now, TWO is going to rise from the ashes and this place is going to turn into a circus once again. Jak has had a bad back for months now, RJ was supposed to be back after week and it's been 4 weeks since he got injured. CMB is either injured or sick every 2 or 3 games. If things go bad this season Bobby's going to be on his knees begging Darth Pelley not to fire his ass.

[Tor_Raps]

Just seems a bit odd to complain much about a team that's performing right around expectations.

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

They won 30 games last season, improving 10-15 games is pretty good? We can worry about this being a treadmill team once they actually get on the actual treadmill. We also still have all our picks if it gets to that point where there is still flexibility to do something about it. For now, it's about getting to mediocrity in the first place after being terrible the last 2 seasons.

After 2 years of tanking, you want to see signs of being able to be more than mediocre. Being in the play-in battle with Atlanta, Chicago and Miami was exactly where we were at with Siakam/Fred. We literally wasted 2 years just to stay there again.

Anyways, lots of season left so lets see. Hope those rumours or us looking to make a big move are true and we can get another cheap upgrade like Ingram.

[WaltFrazier]

Talent level on this team overall is cooked....We been bad for so long and have very little to show for it....Just not a fun time to be a Raptor fan.

If anyone thinks this team a future winner will be disappointed. We either need a massive steal in a trade or flat out start over with the roster construction and fire Bobby....Bring in a guy with a new vision overall...

Should have tanked properly.

Ed should have gotten rid of Bobby when he got rid of Masai, they both treadmilled this franchise into the ground

Are there any Raptor fans saying the opposite, that if only Masai wasn't fired he'd be getting the team out of the malaise?

[PushDaRock]

We’ve been 30th in offence for the last 12 games but fellas will dismiss it and say we’re fine cause we over performed for a 10 game stretch against bad teams lmao.

Longer than that, we have been dead last in offense since RJ has been out. There's a difference between legit concerns which there are a lot of right now and freaking out about a team that's still right around expectations over a 32 game sample size.

Think it’s pretty disingenuous to phrase it that then. If there’s legitimate concerns about the roster, a competent FO isn’t saying “ah it’s fine, we’re still 4 games above .500”. You address the concern before it becomes an issue where it’s a sunk cost fallacy. We’re pretty near that point.

There's literally not been a team in the league that's made a trade. We are relying on young players to develop and need them to play better, unfortunately none of them have really made the jump with the opportunity they have been given. I don't know that you can really do that much else other than hoping they figure it out because our young players outside of CMB have little to no trade value around the league. Freaking out and punting our draft capital to address a need for a team that's not trying to contend for a championship this year seems like a bad idea to me.

The likelihood of what will happen is minor moves, maybe a swap of underperforming young players to see if a change of scenery helps. Other than that, it's evaluate the team in year 1 of not tanking and wait till the offseason to address the more major concerns on the roster.

[PushDaRock]

We complain so the team can fix its issues and become relevant again. Its entirely what this message board is about. Do you think we want this team to be around .500 with no real prospects that can help push them where we want them to be?

They won 30 games last season, improving 10-15 games is pretty good? We can worry about this being a treadmill team once they actually get on the actual treadmill. We also still have all our picks if it gets to that point where there is still flexibility to do something about it. For now, it's about getting to mediocrity in the first place after being terrible the last 2 seasons.

After 2 years of tanking, you want to see signs of being able to be more than mediocre. Being in the play-in battle with Atlanta, Chicago and Miami was exactly where we were at with Siakam/Fred. We literally wasted 2 years just to stay there again.

Anyways, lots of season left so lets see. Hope those rumours or us looking to make a big move are true and we can get another cheap upgrade like Ingram.

Do most teams go from really bad to really good in 1 year?

[PushDaRock]

There is no easy fix for this team unfortunately. They are pretty much locked in to this roster. They don't have the assets to be buyers for an upgrade and the only guys who would net them any kind of good return are Scottie and BI, maybe Sandro could net you a scrub making the same money with a late 1st attached to him.

The way things are looking now, TWO is going to rise from the ashes and this place is going to turn into a circus once again. Jak has had a bad back for months now, RJ was supposed to be back after week and it's been 4 weeks since he got injured. CMB is either injured or sick every 2 or 3 games. If things go bad this season Bobby's going to be on his knees begging Darth Pelley not to fire his ass.

this sounds like only Gradey can save us!!!

[DelAbbot]

I don't even know what to think of this team anymore.

This team was always mid coming into the season. Not great not tank-bad. When it got off to a hot start so many on the board was thinking "we're elite!" and I said no. We'll make playoffs but not elite. Young players aren't developing like we hoped which would bring us closer to the top in the East. That's not happened. So we mid. Not good not bad.

Worst spot to be in imo....We are basically banking on a franchise altering trade to come along at this point ....Which i don't think will happen....

Bobby got us a franchise altering trade in the Kawhi deal and he will get us another franchise altering trade!

[DelAbbot]

If you can't handle us at our worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve us at our best!!!