Fischer: Raps offered IQ + picks for Trae Young last year. Kings don’t have interest in IQ & Poeltl

[PushDaRock]

They're also looking at a bunch of cap space options next year.

The RJ rumours almost certainly centered around moving off the Patrick Williams contract early.

I think you could get a good pick asset out of the Bulls with Jak for him which you could reroute as value in a 3 teamer, but I doubt there's an expiring out there for him.

Basically no one wants to pay anyone

We don't really need to do anything other than a minor move to duck the tax most likely.

Things will eventually balance themselves out when they have swung so far in the other direction. Everyone just wants guys on rookie deals and legit Stars on Max Contracts and dunking on everything else in between. There's no need to panic and offload our players in this type of market.

Yes. Patience would be the right choice where you maximize value with short, value contracts you can leverage in future trades, but that's not what the FO wants to do. They want AD; they want Sabonis, they want a different point guard, but those teams don't want our contracts so that's why it likely won't happen. The FO wants to panic. The market just won't oblige.

The FO wants to upgrade only at the right price. It's their job to be looking at ways to improve the team both short term and long term. They can still panic if they want and offload a couple FRP's with IQ to get some of these deals done I'm sure.

[Tripod]

Some people overreact for no reason.

No idea what the picks were...might have been 2nds.
We KNOW they were/are looking for upgrades.
We got one done grabbing Ingram.

If BI and Barnes who they knew they wanted to keep, then obviously the upgrades would be IQ, RJ or Yak for the starters.

Or maybe it was pre-BI so we were looking to trade IQ, maybe KO, and picks. Who knows.

You are not upgrading on anyone without adding picks or youth. Expect more rumors between now and deadline. We know this isn't close to a finished product. It's barely gotten started.

[LoveMyRaps]

not sure why people are surprised? IQ was injury plagued last year and that offer was likely made before the ingram trade. we were probably floating the indy pick for a star for a quick turn around this year and settled on Ingram.

IQ's value bounced back somewhat this year with better health and defense while Young's value tanked. its a bullet dodged as far as im concerned.

Surprised it took nearly 40 posts for this to be brought up. IQ missed almost the entire first half of last season (he played in just 9 of our first 47 games) and the Pacers pick didn’t hold near as much value as it did 4 months later when Haliburton inevitably tore his Achilles in the Finals. When it comes to Trae, he was in the midst of another all-star season and he was putting up elite numbers (23/3/12) while the Hawks were still in playoff contention.

No context being applied to this whatsoever from so many people. IQ is not a toxic asset in the slightest. He is slightly overpaid right now, but he is performing decently well so far this season and his contract is more than likely going to end up being fair value by the end of it.

I’m simply sharing the news. It’s on people to consider the full context before jumping to conclusions.

I agree with you. IQ is far from a toxic asset and even if he is an unattractive asset for teams right now - the age, durability, upside all suggest he’ll eventually live up to his contract.

I have no problem holding onto him. His numbers are good but I do wish he was better at creating for others. Would make a huge difference for the team.

The Poeltl contract is what’s gonna really cost this team. We’ll probably end up losing RJ because of it…

[bballsparkin]

I’d prefer a credible shot to win a round, and to do that we’ll need every extra advantage we can find and won’t have a margin big enough to be spotting points. In a playoff series, we’re already gonna be needing more play making to keep the offense going. JaKobe defends better, Battle shoots better. If something happens and he gets to play and he plays well and he’ll play more. But the splitting of the minutes between too many mouths makes it too hard for anyone to go off or build a role or catch a rhythm.

The coaches don’t seem to trust Gradey defensively. He’s got the most easiest matchups in the NBA I think I saw recently.

Over the time, he’s a frantic defender lately but he’s just been an average -ish shooter.

I wish we could have his option back, actually.

I'd imagine Ochai gets dealt to help duck the tax. Gradey won't play in the playoffs if the coaching staff doesn't trust him. As is, they have a chance to win a round in the playoffs. Depending on whether they hold on and if we face the 76ers than whether or not Embiid is healthy I'd imagine. Think of the positive; next year Gradey will be expiring. Him with RJ is a good chunk of change.

[Appostis]

IQ is slightly overpaid..and on a contract that will look as a fair contract at worse by the end.
Yak...guys he had a bad back for half a season.. holy **** the nut job overreactions...

[Appostis]

not sure why people are surprised? IQ was injury plagued last year and that offer was likely made before the ingram trade. we were probably floating the indy pick for a star for a quick turn around this year and settled on Ingram.

IQ's value bounced back somewhat this year with better health and defense while Young's value tanked. its a bullet dodged as far as im concerned.

Surprised it took nearly 40 posts for this to be brought up. IQ missed almost the entire first half of last season (he played in just 9 of our first 47 games) and the Pacers pick didn’t hold near as much value as it did 4 months later when Haliburton inevitably tore his Achilles in the Finals. When it comes to Trae, he was in the midst of another all-star season and he was putting up elite numbers (23/3/12) while the Hawks were still in playoff contention.

No context being applied to this whatsoever from so many people. IQ is not a toxic asset in the slightest. He is slightly overpaid right now, but he is performing decently well so far this season and his contract is more than likely going to end up being fair value by the end of it.

I’m simply sharing the news. It’s on people to consider the full context before jumping to conclusions.

I agree with you. IQ is far from a toxic asset and even if he is an unattractive asset for teams right now - the age, durability, upside all suggest he’ll eventually live up to his contract.

I have no problem holding onto him. His numbers are good but I do wish he was better at creating for others. Would make a huge difference for the team.

The Poeltl contract is what’s gonna really cost this team. We’ll probably end up losing RJ because of it…

Because he had a bad back for half a season?

Christ people... It's possible his Injuries will linger but just as likely he'll get solid value as a starting center after in the near future and for the course of his contract.

[YogurtProducer]

Poeltl would’ve even pass a medical right now.
His back is absolutely cooked and so are we because of it.

Masai really handicapped this team.

Ed should have fired him a year earlier, all for this could have been avoided.

Comments like this make me laugh like being a top 4 team in the east is bad or something

[YogurtProducer]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?

They’re not even close to all-star money.

[YogurtProducer]

When the Kings are rejecting your contracts thats when you hit rock bottom.

Funny how some people still dont understand when theres hatred towards IQ... it’s strictly because hes being held to the standards of his contract.

lol its because if SAC is moving Sabonis they wanna rebuild.

Not every contract fits every team. IQ and Jak makes no sense for a team trying to win ping pong balls.

[Appostis]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?

They’re not even close to all-star money.

Biggest issue we have is people not looking at cap % and just the dollars numbers. Salary cap has gone funny and looking at the #s make.

Average for all star players going be 40+ million.

[TGM]

People all freaking out on Masai. Trae had an awesome season last year so not sure why people making sound like it was a horrible idea. Everything is in hindsight. Not sure how many people here use to claim RJ empty calories and a toxic contract. Now thy crying about not being able to resign him.

Quick’s contract not great, but also like some aspects of his game is decent. He has one of the better assist to turnover ratios in the league. His shooting could be better but if our team didn’t have 4 starters that can average twenty a game his stats would like a bit better.

Jak’s extension definitely on Bobby and wasn’t necessary and a misread of the market.

RJ I think can be resigned similar to what he is getting or maybe a few million higher.

Player values swing year to year. Look at Markanen, Paul George, Bradley Beal. Everything is about timing. Barnes 6 months ago people would have been okay to include in a Giannis deal now everyone is like hell no.

Let’s see how things play out, our needs are obvious, but at the same time we are playing winning basketball

[Clutch0z24]

When the Kings are rejecting your contracts thats when you hit rock bottom.

Funny how some people still dont understand when theres hatred towards IQ... it’s strictly because hes being held to the standards of his contract.

lol its because if SAC is moving Sabonis they wanna rebuild.

Not every contract fits every team. IQ and Jak makes no sense for a team trying to win ping pong balls.

IQ/Yak make sense for no teams....Which team wants to eat their salaries if they are not producing at their salaries? These are role players on championship teams not starters imo....IQ is a 6th man, Yak would be best suited as a 20-25 min bench big.....Thats if you are a title contender....

No teams want these kind of players on the deals they are on in the NBA They would much rather just have the cap space or young prospects/picks....

We are stuck with IQ/Yak which might also end up in the loss of RJ/Mamu as well. Doubt we can find a team to take IQ/Yak off us and i would not give FRPs to get off them either.

[pingpongrac]

One of the most interesting parts of this whole thing is the same people that claimed RJ was a negative/toxic asset for so long are now worried we are going to lose him for nothing because IQ is a toxic contract. It’s as if players are unable to play better and/or improve their value over the course of a 4-year contract.

[ForeverTFC]

No idea how to read into/react to the Trae news. But I'm pretty positive the Sac leak is coming from the Kings who are trying to negotiate in public.

Contracts shouldn't matter much for the Kings. Pretty clear they're going into the tank.

[dTox]

Masai really handicapped this team.

Ed should have fired him a year earlier, all for this could have been avoided.

Comments like this make me laugh like being a top 4 team in the east is bad or something

Trading multiple first round picks for mediocre players, while being a "rebuilding" team. Tanking the value of his good players, because of indecisiveness are some of the reasons why he should have been let go. He had a great run, but he was turning into Joe Dumars, some excellence have a shelf life, nothing wrong with acknowledging that

[FOB]

Poeltl extension was entirely Bobby.

You seem to know more than others about Poeltl's back being cooked and the extension being "entirely Bobby". The way you say it, it must be more than just a personal dislike of Jak and/or Bobby, but actual information you have. So I'm curious: what are your sources?

Are you being sarcastic? It was signed in July. Masai was fired after the draft.

Not I'm not being sarcastic at all. The extension was signed about a week after Masai was fired (June 28th to July 6th), I think it's fair to say that the process leading to such an important decision could have taken more than a week, no? Don't get me wrong, if they really rushed that through in a week without prior discussions that'd be pretty bad, but I have no indication that that's the case. Do you?

Edit: deleted the second point after realizing a different poster than I thought had replied.

[PushDaRock]

One of the most interesting parts of this whole thing is the same people that claimed RJ was a negative/toxic asset for so long are now worried we are going to lose him for nothing because IQ is a toxic contract. It’s as if players are unable to play better and/or improve their value over the course of a 4-year contract.

The market is also constantly changing. Right now, the market is not valuing good starters on normal starter level money deals. That doesn't mean it will always be the case, it just takes one team to buck the trend and find success building a team stacked with really good not great players to get more copy cats.

[TGM]

I still remember when we extend OG at like 3 years do 40 million people were laying eggs about how bad it was. In hindsight was one of the best moves. IQ can literally go off the next 20 games and all of a sudden his value shoots up.

[YogurtProducer]

When the Kings are rejecting your contracts thats when you hit rock bottom.

Funny how some people still dont understand when theres hatred towards IQ... it’s strictly because hes being held to the standards of his contract.

lol its because if SAC is moving Sabonis they wanna rebuild.

Not every contract fits every team. IQ and Jak makes no sense for a team trying to win ping pong balls.

IQ/Yak make sense for no teams....Which team wants to eat their salaries if they are not producing at their salaries? These are role players on championship teams not starters imo....IQ is a 6th man, Yak would be best suited as a 20-25 min bench big.....Thats if you are a title contender....

No teams want these kind of players on the deals they are on in the NBA They would much rather just have the cap space or young prospects/picks....

We are stuck with IQ/Yak which might also end up in the loss of RJ/Mamu as well. Doubt we can find a team to take IQ/Yak off us and i would not give FRPs to get off them either.

No teams

You just don’t look around the nba enough. The value of pretty much any teams non-elite players if fairly minimal. It’s just the reality of how the cap works and how teams fill out their cap and it’s very, very tough to find deals.

The only time you see IQ/Jakob level guys get moved is when they are expiring (how we got IQ), teams are entering rebuilds (how we got Jak), or if they are on a sweetheart deals (Bridges, etc.)

As much as it’s your absolute cream for our team to be 13 rookie salary guys and 3 all-nba max contracts, it simply isn’t going to happen.

[YogurtProducer]

Ed should have fired him a year earlier, all for this could have been avoided.

Comments like this make me laugh like being a top 4 team in the east is bad or something

Trading multiple first round picks for mediocre players, while being a "rebuilding" team. Tanking the value of his good players, because of indecisiveness are some of the reasons why he should have been let go. He had a great run, but he was turning into Joe Dumars, some excellence have a shelf life, nothing wrong with acknowledging that

And yet here we are, top 4 in the east currently.

Can you guys just come out and admit already that no matter what happens you’re gonna be upset?